Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Anonymous wrote:I regret buying 2 years ago in Tilden area. I knew that boudary will change but I expected half of WJ will move to Woodward and then both schools will take one elemenatry each from outside.

With all 4 options, Woodward is drastically worse than WJ.

Option 1 essentially does this. The problem is thst Woodward gets Viers Mill ES and WJ gets Rosemary Hills and Chevy Chase ES, so not equivalent demographically. Plus, Tilden is more diverse than North Bethesda MS to begin with because it encompasses more apartments in Rollins and off Parklawn.

Given how close WJ and Woodward are, MCPS should come up with options which keeps WJ and Woodward FARMS in the same range.

They are better off keeping kids local and schools high farms as they get more funding and smaller class sizes. The families who go to these schools don’t mind and we are trying to avoid the racist families and happy to have our kids at these schools.

This is a thread about MS and HS, in which the differences you are describing (smaller classes) is only minimally true, or not true at all. Do you have only younger kids?

There are some smaller classes but mainly ap.

Right, but there's also a higher risk that AP class will be canceled for lack of sufficient enrollment.

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Anonymous wrote:Every time the BOE hears “property values” and “parents who value education,” the likelihood of something like Option 3 goes up. Keep on whistling those dog whistles.

Similarly, the socialist themes are equally offensive and make the likelihood of something like option 1 go up.

I don’t think it will be any of them and it’s to create drama to distract from all the other stuff going on. Instead of arguing people should get together for more reasonable boundaries. Having hs kids have long bus rides with activities, homework, child care for siblings, activities and more is unreasonable. More unreasonably is when kids have to return to school or stay for late activities meaning kids could be at school for 12+ hours a day.

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Anonymous wrote:I regret buying 2 years ago in Tilden area. I knew that boudary will change but I expected half of WJ will move to Woodward and then both schools will take one elemenatry each from outside.

With all 4 options, Woodward is drastically worse than WJ.

Option 1 essentially does this. The problem is thst Woodward gets Viers Mill ES and WJ gets Rosemary Hills and Chevy Chase ES, so not equivalent demographically. Plus, Tilden is more diverse than North Bethesda MS to begin with because it encompasses more apartments in Rollins and off Parklawn.

Given how close WJ and Woodward are, MCPS should come up with options which keeps WJ and Woodward FARMS in the same range.

They are better off keeping kids local and schools high farms as they get more funding and smaller class sizes. The families who go to these schools don’t mind and we are trying to avoid the racist families and happy to have our kids at these schools.

This is a thread about MS and HS, in which the differences you are describing (smaller classes) is only minimally true, or not true at all. Do you have only younger kids?

There are some smaller classes but mainly ap.

Right, but there's also a higher risk that AP class will be canceled for lack of sufficient enrollment.

They don’t get canceled, they just don’t offer them and tell parents it’s their problem and figure it out. We have teachers teaching 3-4 classes. They could easily teach more classes.

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Anonymous wrote:The Entitlement of Tilden families on this thread is gross.

Deal with it. We worked hard and prioritized education to succeed. DCC families are ok with mediocre schools.

You didn't prioritize education you just prioritize having an expensive house

I hate to let you know but better schools increase property values. So people that want better schools have higher priced homes.

No, better is the quality of teacher your kid gets assigned. All parents want their kids to get a good education. The difference is the we have the same incomes but have more money for tutoring and more important college.

statistically, the better schools have less behavioral issues. (Not NONE.)

Google the rich schools. They have the same issues. Some more. Difference is parents can hire high priced attorneys to get their kids out of trouble. There have been some pretty horrible things happening at the wealthy schools the past few years.

Yeah this is stupid

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Anonymous wrote:This is a horrible thread.

But what did you expect? What did BOE and Flo Analytics expect?

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Anonymous wrote:Every time the BOE hears “property values” and “parents who value education,” the likelihood of something like Option 3 goes up. Keep on whistling those dog whistles.

Similarly, the socialist themes are equally offensive and make the likelihood of something like option 1 go up.

I don’t think it will be any of them and it’s to create drama to distract from all the other stuff going on. Instead of arguing people should get together for more reasonable boundaries. Having hs kids have long bus rides with activities, homework, child care for siblings, activities and more is unreasonable. More unreasonably is when kids have to return to school or stay for late activities meaning kids could be at school for 12+ hours a day.

But apparently you can say “f** you” to those kids with longer bus rides if they are white.

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Anonymous wrote:This stuff just tears communities apart. It’s so sad. It’s hard enough without the politics of trying to socially engineer demographics.

This is why the release of option 3 shows incredible incompetence from BOE and Flo Analytics.

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Anonymous wrote:Every time the BOE hears “property values” and “parents who value education,” the likelihood of something like Option 3 goes up. Keep on whistling those dog whistles.

Similarly, the socialist themes are equally offensive and make the likelihood of something like option 1 go up.

Offensive how?

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Anonymous wrote:Every time the BOE hears “property values” and “parents who value education,” the likelihood of something like Option 3 goes up. Keep on whistling those dog whistles.

Similarly, the socialist themes are equally offensive and make the likelihood of something like option 1 go up.

I don’t think it will be any of them and it’s to create drama to distract from all the other stuff going on. Instead of arguing people should get together for more reasonable boundaries. Having hs kids have long bus rides with activities, homework, child care for siblings, activities and more is unreasonable. More unreasonably is when kids have to return to school or stay for late activities meaning kids could be at school for 12+ hours a day.

But apparently you can say “f** you” to those kids with longer bus rides if they are white.

I saw very, very few people on this thread actually endorse this.

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Anonymous wrote:Every time the BOE hears “property values” and “parents who value education,” the likelihood of something like Option 3 goes up. Keep on whistling those dog whistles.

Similarly, the socialist themes are equally offensive and make the likelihood of something like option 1 go up.

I don’t think it will be any of them and it’s to create drama to distract from all the other stuff going on. Instead of arguing people should get together for more reasonable boundaries. Having hs kids have long bus rides with activities, homework, child care for siblings, activities and more is unreasonable. More unreasonably is when kids have to return to school or stay for late activities meaning kids could be at school for 12+ hours a day.

But apparently you can say “f** you” to those kids with longer bus rides if they are white.

Wrong person. But, good try. If you don’t like, get off here and take it up with MCPS and the BOE.

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Anonymous wrote:Every time the BOE hears “property values” and “parents who value education,” the likelihood of something like Option 3 goes up. Keep on whistling those dog whistles.

Similarly, the socialist themes are equally offensive and make the likelihood of something like option 1 go up.

I don’t think it will be any of them and it’s to create drama to distract from all the other stuff going on. Instead of arguing people should get together for more reasonable boundaries. Having hs kids have long bus rides with activities, homework, child care for siblings, activities and more is unreasonable. More unreasonably is when kids have to return to school or stay for late activities meaning kids could be at school for 12+ hours a day.

But apparently you can say “f** you” to those kids with longer bus rides if they are white.

I saw very, very few people on this thread actually endorse this.

They are looking for drama.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a horrible thread.

But what did you expect? What did BOE and Flo Analytics expect?

The company probably bribed someone.

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Anonymous wrote:I regret buying 2 years ago in Tilden area. I knew that boudary will change but I expected half of WJ will move to Woodward and then both schools will take one elemenatry each from outside.

With all 4 options, Woodward is drastically worse than WJ.

Option 1 essentially does this. The problem is thst Woodward gets Viers Mill ES and WJ gets Rosemary Hills and Chevy Chase ES, so not equivalent demographically. Plus, Tilden is more diverse than North Bethesda MS to begin with because it encompasses more apartments in Rollins and off Parklawn.

Given how close WJ and Woodward are, MCPS should come up with options which keeps WJ and Woodward FARMS in the same range.

They are better off keeping kids local and schools high farms as they get more funding and smaller class sizes. The families who go to these schools don’t mind and we are trying to avoid the racist families and happy to have our kids at these schools.

That's a great point. Having 60% FARMS may be worse than having 80% FARMS. It will make school worse and not better. It's too simplistic to think that high FARMS is always worse.

Which middle and high schools get Title 1 or Focus school designations?

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Anonymous wrote:Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon.

Pretty much.
Caveat: Options 2 and 4 send the south side of Garrett Park to WJ ( the handful of homes on the south side of Strathmore). Town of GP, as small as it is, getting broken up.

Please! The 300K post was most likely trolling and you actually agree with that alarmist nonsense.

First of all, WJ today is not some amazing school that drives property values. It is weaker than other W schools and not much better than, for example, Richard Montgomery that has similar demographics to Woodward options 1,2 and 4.

18% FARMS to 32-38% ( without option 3) . That a huge jump in FARMS.

Gievn all elese equal, that's the case for Woodward zone, if you think that HS with FARMS of 18% and 36% will be get the same prices of houses then you are delusional.

You don't need option 3 to bring down prices in Tilden. It will happen with all options.

I am surprised to see that MCPS did not try to balance the FARMS for WJ and Woodward despite schools being so close.

Balancing WJ and Woodward would have been the best approach. However, under Options 1, 2 and 4 Tilden prices will not go down as much as some people predict. It is not all about HS. There are many other appealing things about that area.

I had to look this up because it kept getting mentioned but this is a part of the current WJ zone that is going to Woodward no matter what? And people are lamenting the tragedy of who else might also end up at Woodward?

Yep. Pretty vomit inducing. I hope these a-holes' spawn don't get assigned to my kid's DCC school

Easy easy. I am Tilden. My preference is that we diversify the schools through housing policy. Diversify neighborhoods and that should lead to more demographic balance in schools while keeping commutes and transportation logistics simple. I am not worried about housing values. Not because I can afford to lose a lot of money but because I don’t think it is possible to predict anyway and not job of MCPS. I just like having my child on as short a bus ride as possible and to walk when possible. I think even some people in DCC like that idea too, no?
There is a lot of entitlement from a few posters but it isn’t representative of an entire community of people. Remember WJ is 3000 students. Surely they are not a monolith.

I wasn't referring to you, relax

Well you said Tilden so I wanted to clarify. I think everyone needs to tonę it down and stick to the substantive issues and goal of improving education for all kids.

I actually didn't say Tilden, that was a PP

Btw are you telling this to the people saying parents in the DCC don't value education? Seems like you only care about people toning it down when you are the target of insults

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Anonymous wrote:The Entitlement of Tilden families on this thread is gross.

Deal with it. We worked hard and prioritized education to succeed. DCC families are ok with mediocre schools.

You didn't prioritize education you just prioritize having an expensive house

I hate to let you know but better schools increase property values. So people that want better schools have higher priced homes.

No, better is the quality of teacher your kid gets assigned. All parents want their kids to get a good education. The difference is the we have the same incomes but have more money for tutoring and more important college.

So what are you arguing: that W families foolishly spend money on houses and stuff, while DCC families spend money on tutoring?

I just looked at SAT scores and W schools are on a different planet compared to DCC schools (minus the Blair magnet). Some DCC schools are so bad that it is not even funny. How do you explain it, given so much tutoring.

Our kids don’t have the same math classes as yours do and we have far more special needs and esol kids. You know the kids you don’t want in your schools. No, we have money to pay for college while you all are screaming donut hole and demanding aid.

I'm a happy DCC parent with one child already graduated and others on the way. But this "we value education so we live in an affordable neighborhood" argument this just laughable. You are making us look bad. Please stop.

The truth is that I live in an affordable neighborhood because I made specific choices. Yes, I chose a diverse neighborhood for my mixed race kids, so they could see people who looked like them every day, in a variety of roles. But I also made choices about what I did with my education (typical do-gooder stuff), by having my kids youngish for DC so they'd grow up with their cousins, and a hundred other things that long-term constrained my financial mobility.

No regrets about any of it, but pretending that DCC families are superior because our homes cost $700K instead of $1.5m is not realistic. It's a bunch of things, neither better nor worse than the other.

There are a lot of Hines now going for over a million. No one is saying it’s superior, we are saying it’s equal but there are other advantages like college admissions.

Yes there are some million dollar homes in the DCC but all homes are a million dollars in the west county. The difference is the starter home vs nicest home and the proximity to poverty. Live in historic takoma park and unless you go to the small co-op your grocery store is meh 13th & Georgia DC, yuck Langley park/new Hampshire or even worse flower Ave. Most people spend 7 figures to never go to those areas let alone weekly. An area can be super cute but it is also defined by its neighbors.