APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:Someone doesn’t realize how many military families live in SA. It made sense to work when we lived in cheaper areas, but we’d lose money if I sent our kids to daycare.

Many someones don't realize a lot of things about SA.

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Plus a million! Us SAs are getting in the way of what they want. With APS comes change.

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Anonymous wrote:How disappointing for the people living nearby who thought they were able to walk to school.

Yeah I don’t understand the glee in which people are so enthusiastic about closing a neighborhood school. This is happening because of APS mismanagement. Disappointing is the right word here.

How sad can they be when they’re still in walking distance of another school?

Not everyone is, and many of those who are have to cross major roads to walk to a different school. Including the road where three people died.

Crossing guards. Problem solved.

You seriously can’t brainstorm solutions to problems without saying “no” like a two year old?

Your personal life must be terrible. (Maybe that’s why you have time to comment on here every five minutes. Because no one wants to talk to you IRL. 😂)

And where are we finding the money to hire these crossing guards, when we can’t get enough to hire bus drivers or extended day?

Just remember that the same people in charge of solving these problems are hoping to make it a policy that new Syphax staff get 45 paid days off and have just asked for over six figures for new real estate when the majority of their employees are still working from home. I know where their priorities are and it’s not the safety of children.

Concerned families can volunteer. Again, problem solved.

so the parents have to do the school divisions' job - and if they don't or can't, then their kids aren't safe? umm, no that's not how this works

Um, that’s exactly how this works, sweetie.

Actually some of us feel differently and aren’t privileged enough to have all the time in the world to volunteer as a crossing guard every AM. But hey maybe SA SAHM can come do it!

Sorry. We're busy doing it for our own schools.

name the schools where parents volunteer as crossing guards please

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Anonymous wrote:To update, They have put in 4 way stops in those places where people were tragically hit, though if they were there in the 1st place, it wouldn’t have happened

that doesn't fix the issue in the middle of the block where the N'ham mom was killed getting back into her car

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Anonymous wrote:To update, They have put in 4 way stops in those places where people were tragically hit, though if they were there in the 1st place, it wouldn’t have happened

Nottingham doesn’t want to talk about the two different 4-way stops that have been added within 2 blocks in either direction of the school. Not consistent with their narrative that MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE if Nottingham doesn’t keep its ridiculously underenrolled school jus the way it is now.

They’ve been added. People still roll through them. The sight lines still stink. If I recall, the last death actually happened when a driver was turning. Not sure how the stop signs fix that.

Report it to the police. When they added a new sign in our neighborhood, some people still rolled through it. So, they set up an officer who started pulling people over. Be the change!

thanks, i've tried for years but you sound very optimistic

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Anonymous wrote:How disappointing for the people living nearby who thought they were able to walk to school.

Yeah I don’t understand the glee in which people are so enthusiastic about closing a neighborhood school. This is happening because of APS mismanagement. Disappointing is the right word here.

How sad can they be when they’re still in walking distance of another school?

Not everyone is, and many of those who are have to cross major roads to walk to a different school. Including the road where three people died.

Crossing guards. Problem solved.

You seriously can’t brainstorm solutions to problems without saying “no” like a two year old?

Your personal life must be terrible. (Maybe that’s why you have time to comment on here every five minutes. Because no one wants to talk to you IRL. 😂)

And where are we finding the money to hire these crossing guards, when we can’t get enough to hire bus drivers or extended day?

Just remember that the same people in charge of solving these problems are hoping to make it a policy that new Syphax staff get 45 paid days off and have just asked for over six figures for new real estate when the majority of their employees are still working from home. I know where their priorities are and it’s not the safety of children.

Concerned families can volunteer. Again, problem solved.

so the parents have to do the school divisions' job - and if they don't or can't, then their kids aren't safe? umm, no that's not how this works

Um, that’s exactly how this works, sweetie.

Actually some of us feel differently and aren’t privileged enough to have all the time in the world to volunteer as a crossing guard every AM. But hey maybe SA SAHM can come do it!

Sorry. We're busy doing it for our own schools.

then mind your own business and stick to communities that you know. you clearly know nothing about the issue around nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:To update, They have put in 4 way stops in those places where people were tragically hit, though if they were there in the 1st place, it wouldn’t have happened

Nottingham doesn’t want to talk about the two different 4-way stops that have been added within 2 blocks in either direction of the school. Not consistent with their narrative that MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE if Nottingham doesn’t keep its ridiculously underenrolled school jus the way it is now.

Ok great! Now the neighborhood is safer based on CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS. A swing space upends every thing we know already about traffic in the area. It is a huge fundamental change to neighborhood traffic going from a school that is overwhelmingly walkable to 100 pct driving.

I’m sorry you can’t understand that.

+100

This is the right point to focus on.

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Anonymous wrote:How disappointing for the people living nearby who thought they were able to walk to school.

Yeah I don’t understand the glee in which people are so enthusiastic about closing a neighborhood school. This is happening because of APS mismanagement. Disappointing is the right word here.

How sad can they be when they’re still in walking distance of another school?

Not everyone is, and many of those who are have to cross major roads to walk to a different school. Including the road where three people died.

Crossing guards. Problem solved.

You seriously can’t brainstorm solutions to problems without saying “no” like a two year old?

Your personal life must be terrible. (Maybe that’s why you have time to comment on here every five minutes. Because no one wants to talk to you IRL. 😂)

And where are we finding the money to hire these crossing guards, when we can’t get enough to hire bus drivers or extended day?

Just remember that the same people in charge of solving these problems are hoping to make it a policy that new Syphax staff get 45 paid days off and have just asked for over six figures for new real estate when the majority of their employees are still working from home. I know where their priorities are and it’s not the safety of children.

Concerned families can volunteer. Again, problem solved.

so the parents have to do the school divisions' job - and if they don't or can't, then their kids aren't safe? umm, no that's not how this works

Um, that’s exactly how this works, sweetie.

Actually some of us feel differently and aren’t privileged enough to have all the time in the world to volunteer as a crossing guard every AM. But hey maybe SA SAHM can come do it!

Oh I like this idea. All the people at other schools who don’t think this plan is unsafe-are YOU willing to come out to Nottingham twice a day every day to volunteer to patrol the streets???

Why would we volunteer when we don’t think it’s unsafe? That makes zero sense.

I wonder how many accidents it will take around Nottingham once it’s converted to swing space for APS to realize how negligent they were in not doing a traffic study before hand. The writing is on the wall. They’ve been told multiple times. There’s plenty of examples. Should be an interesting and unfortunate lawsuit.

and the next death could be someone from another school using it as swing space who insists INSISTS! the traffic danger around Nottingham can't be that bad

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Anonymous wrote:To update, They have put in 4 way stops in those places where people were tragically hit, though if they were there in the 1st place, it wouldn’t have happened

Nottingham doesn’t want to talk about the two different 4-way stops that have been added within 2 blocks in either direction of the school. Not consistent with their narrative that MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE if Nottingham doesn’t keep its ridiculously underenrolled school jus the way it is now.

Ok great! Now the neighborhood is safer based on CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS. A swing space upends every thing we know already about traffic in the area. It is a huge fundamental change to neighborhood traffic going from a school that is overwhelmingly walkable to 100 pct driving.

I’m sorry you can’t understand that.

Your comment then implies that APS can never change the use of any facility because safety hinges on current traffic patterns. You all need another bell to ring that’s not traffic. It’s not a reasonable argument.

No but they should do a traffic study to figure out the impact before making a decision that will dramatically change traffic patterns in an area with known and proven dangers. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

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Anonymous wrote:To update, They have put in 4 way stops in those places where people were tragically hit, though if they were there in the 1st place, it wouldn’t have happened

that doesn't fix the issue in the middle of the block where the N'ham mom was killed getting back into her car

Maybe we can put crossing guards up and down the block? Like every 10 feet as if we are holding a parade?

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Anonymous wrote:To update, They have put in 4 way stops in those places where people were tragically hit, though if they were there in the 1st place, it wouldn’t have happened

Nottingham doesn’t want to talk about the two different 4-way stops that have been added within 2 blocks in either direction of the school. Not consistent with their narrative that MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE if Nottingham doesn’t keep its ridiculously underenrolled school jus the way it is now.

Ok great! Now the neighborhood is safer based on CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS. A swing space upends every thing we know already about traffic in the area. It is a huge fundamental change to neighborhood traffic going from a school that is overwhelmingly walkable to 100 pct driving.

I’m sorry you can’t understand that.

Your comment then implies that APS can never change the use of any facility because safety hinges on current traffic patterns. You all need another bell to ring that’s not traffic. It’s not a reasonable argument.

No but they should do a traffic study to figure out the impact before making a decision that will dramatically change traffic patterns in an area with known and proven dangers. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

+1. I just don't understand why it is so difficult for APS to do this. They are so stubborn, short sighted and obtuse.

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Anonymous wrote:How disappointing for the people living nearby who thought they were able to walk to school.

Yeah I don’t understand the glee in which people are so enthusiastic about closing a neighborhood school. This is happening because of APS mismanagement. Disappointing is the right word here.

How sad can they be when they’re still in walking distance of another school?

Not everyone is, and many of those who are have to cross major roads to walk to a different school. Including the road where three people died.

Crossing guards. Problem solved.

You seriously can’t brainstorm solutions to problems without saying “no” like a two year old?

Your personal life must be terrible. (Maybe that’s why you have time to comment on here every five minutes. Because no one wants to talk to you IRL. 😂)

And where are we finding the money to hire these crossing guards, when we can’t get enough to hire bus drivers or extended day?

Just remember that the same people in charge of solving these problems are hoping to make it a policy that new Syphax staff get 45 paid days off and have just asked for over six figures for new real estate when the majority of their employees are still working from home. I know where their priorities are and it’s not the safety of children.

Concerned families can volunteer. Again, problem solved.

so the parents have to do the school divisions' job - and if they don't or can't, then their kids aren't safe? umm, no that's not how this works

Um, that’s exactly how this works, sweetie.

Actually some of us feel differently and aren’t privileged enough to have all the time in the world to volunteer as a crossing guard every AM. But hey maybe SA SAHM can come do it!

Sorry. We're busy doing it for our own schools.

name the schools where parents volunteer as crossing guards please

I don't need to name them. Parents walk their kids to all of them, serving as extra protection or as crossing guards in absence of them; parents and school staff helped perform this function at TJ (don't know if they still do) when the construction for Fleet changed traffic patterns and access to TJMS.
And again, deflecting with focus on meaningless details. Even without precedent, no reason your school couldn't be the first. Except, of course, your lack of time because of your necessary employment.

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Anonymous wrote:To update, They have put in 4 way stops in those places where people were tragically hit, though if they were there in the 1st place, it wouldn’t have happened

that doesn't fix the issue in the middle of the block where the N'ham mom was killed getting back into her car

Sometimes there just isn't any 100% solution. Maybe you should lobby to just close the street entirely. Then no more pedestrians will get hit by a car.

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Anonymous wrote:To update, They have put in 4 way stops in those places where people were tragically hit, though if they were there in the 1st place, it wouldn’t have happened

Nottingham doesn’t want to talk about the two different 4-way stops that have been added within 2 blocks in either direction of the school. Not consistent with their narrative that MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE if Nottingham doesn’t keep its ridiculously underenrolled school jus the way it is now.

Ok great! Now the neighborhood is safer based on CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS. A swing space upends every thing we know already about traffic in the area. It is a huge fundamental change to neighborhood traffic going from a school that is overwhelmingly walkable to 100 pct driving.

I’m sorry you can’t understand that.

Your comment then implies that APS can never change the use of any facility because safety hinges on current traffic patterns. You all need another bell to ring that’s not traffic. It’s not a reasonable argument.

No but they should do a traffic study to figure out the impact before making a decision that will dramatically change traffic patterns in an area with known and proven dangers. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

+1. I just don't understand why it is so difficult for APS to do this. They are so stubborn, short sighted and obtuse.

Because it isn't going to change their recommendations. They always - always - focus on the traffic issues and remediations during implementation, not as a criteria for decisions. Nothing new going on here.

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Anonymous wrote:How disappointing for the people living nearby who thought they were able to walk to school.

Yeah I don’t understand the glee in which people are so enthusiastic about closing a neighborhood school. This is happening because of APS mismanagement. Disappointing is the right word here.

How sad can they be when they’re still in walking distance of another school?

Not everyone is, and many of those who are have to cross major roads to walk to a different school. Including the road where three people died.

Crossing guards. Problem solved.

You seriously can’t brainstorm solutions to problems without saying “no” like a two year old?

Your personal life must be terrible. (Maybe that’s why you have time to comment on here every five minutes. Because no one wants to talk to you IRL. 😂)

And where are we finding the money to hire these crossing guards, when we can’t get enough to hire bus drivers or extended day?

Just remember that the same people in charge of solving these problems are hoping to make it a policy that new Syphax staff get 45 paid days off and have just asked for over six figures for new real estate when the majority of their employees are still working from home. I know where their priorities are and it’s not the safety of children.

Concerned families can volunteer. Again, problem solved.

so the parents have to do the school divisions' job - and if they don't or can't, then their kids aren't safe? umm, no that's not how this works

Um, that’s exactly how this works, sweetie.

Actually some of us feel differently and aren’t privileged enough to have all the time in the world to volunteer as a crossing guard every AM. But hey maybe SA SAHM can come do it!

Sorry. We're busy doing it for our own schools.

then mind your own business and stick to communities that you know. you clearly know nothing about the issue around nottingham

And clearly, vice versa. That's the problem.