My child attends an elite college. It is overrated.

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Anonymous wrote:Major/program is much more important than the school itself.
So you have to always look at the School/Major combination.

Business(McIntire) at UVA is much more elite than gender study at Yale or Harvard.
Computer Science at Carnegie Melon is much much more elite than physcholgy at Northweatern or U Chigago or any other top 10 school.

You have to look at the College/Major combination to see if it's truly elite, and furthermore what they are doing right after college.

My friend graduated from Yale art with ton of debt. He has been practically jobless for years and years, and barely got a job as an art teacher at a high school.
So much for eliteness. There are endless cases like this.

It's almost shocking that people here extensively talk about colleges, but not much on the majors and programs itself.

There's higher chance that a CS major at GMU would turn out more elite than a psychology major at UVA.

I think the word "elite" is being used incorrectly above. The posters are really referring to expected earnings by major rather than elite.

If someone says I go to Princeton, I study gender study. Does it sound elite?
I go to Northwestern, I major in dance. Does it sound elite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DC is in business. The difference is night and day between good brand name schools vs mediocre no name schools.

You get excellent initial opportunities into great consulting firms, finance, investment banking etc. that will soon lead to 6 figure income by attending good schools(so called target schools).

If you go to a mediocre no name school, then good luck. You won't even get an interview.

This is delusional and wrong. Only the top students at target colleges get those six-figure job offers. And they prepare for those by curating the perfect resume starting freshman year, with all the right clubs, finance prep outside of class, networking events, and a near perfect GPA. It's not like you just show up to career fair day as a junior and waltz into a $25,000 Goldman Sachs summer internship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think the word "elite" is being used incorrectly above. The posters are really referring to expected earnings by major rather than elite.

If someone says I go to Princeton, I study gender study. Does it sound elite?
I go to Northwestern, I major in dance. Does it sound elite?

At Princeton it's called GSS, Gender and Sexuality Studies, and from what I gather, less than 1% of their students graduate with a degree in this. So it's not really the popular wacky lefty thing you think it is. And actually, I'd bet whatever handful kids do major in it have no trouble landing some fluff diversity/hr job at some tech firm.

And nobody is really impressed by Northwestern in general. It is not an elite college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think the word "elite" is being used incorrectly above. The posters are really referring to expected earnings by major rather than elite.

If someone says I go to Princeton, I study gender study. Does it sound elite?
I go to Northwestern, I major in dance. Does it sound elite?

At Princeton it's called GSS, Gender and Sexuality Studies, and from what I gather, less than 1% of their students graduate with a degree in this. So it's not really the popular wacky lefty thing you think it is. And actually, I'd bet whatever handful kids do major in it have no trouble landing some fluff diversity/hr job at some tech firm.

And nobody is really impressed by Northwestern in general. It is not an elite college.

Yea so it doesn't sound impressive and elite at all.

[Anonymous]

The high paying jobs post graduation has a lot to do with who you know. If you get a good word from someone inside the organization that is a 100 times better than someone with amazing grades. People want to work with others who can team well. You would much rather hire someone you know versus taking the risk of hiring someone who may not fit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The high paying jobs post graduation has a lot to do with who you know. If you get a good word from someone inside the organization that is a 100 times better than someone with amazing grades. People want to work with others who can team well. You would much rather hire someone you know versus taking the risk of hiring someone who may not fit.

If someone says I go to Yale and major in art. I feel sorry. I personally know someone who graduated Yale art, and he was jobless for years and years, then barely got an art teacher position.
But the fact of the matter is that it's not some random cases you know or I know. There's data from the department of education.

How about Yale majoring in psychology? Sounds a little more legit? When I hear that, my first question is what are you going to do with that? Any career plan?
The starting salary is $38K average while you accumulated tons of debt. https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?130794-Yale-University&fos_code=4201&fos_credential=3
Doesn't sound elite at all.

My definition of eliteness is that you go to a 'good respected' school, study something 'real' and valuable. Then when you graduate, a bunch of great corporations line up and offer you close to a 6 figure salary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC is in business. The difference is night and day between good brand name schools vs mediocre no name schools.

You get excellent initial opportunities into great consulting firms, finance, investment banking etc. that will soon lead to 6 figure income by attending good schools(so called target schools).

If you go to a mediocre no name school, then good luck. You won't even get an interview.

This is delusional and wrong. Only the top students at target colleges get those six-figure job offers. And they prepare for those by curating the perfect resume starting freshman year, with all the right clubs, finance prep outside of class, networking events, and a near perfect GPA. It's not like you just show up to career fair day as a junior and waltz into a $25,000 Goldman Sachs summer internship.

I went to a no-name college but ended up with a great opportunity in my hometown which led to a great high profile job (that had killer hours that I was willing to put in). There are lots of paths - depends on the drive and dedication of the kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The high paying jobs post graduation has a lot to do with who you know. If you get a good word from someone inside the organization that is a 100 times better than someone with amazing grades. People want to work with others who can team well. You would much rather hire someone you know versus taking the risk of hiring someone who may not fit.

If someone says I go to Yale and major in art. I feel sorry. I personally know someone who graduated Yale art, and he was jobless for years and years, then barely got an art teacher position.
But the fact of the matter is that it's not some random cases you know or I know. There's data from the department of education.

How about Yale majoring in psychology? Sounds a little more legit? When I hear that, my first question is what are you going to do with that? Any career plan?
The starting salary is $38K average while you accumulated tons of debt. https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?130794-Yale-University&fos_code=4201&fos_credential=3
Doesn't sound elite at all.

My definition of eliteness is that you go to a 'good respected' school, study something 'real' and valuable. Then when you graduate, a bunch of great corporations line up and offer you close to a 6 figure salary.

Some examles would be...
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineering - Sounds pretty elite. Best tech compnaies will line up and offer them 6 figure salary.
Upenn Wharton - Sounds pretty elite, Wall Street follks will line up offering them 6 figure salary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC is in business. The difference is night and day between good brand name schools vs mediocre no name schools.

You get excellent initial opportunities into great consulting firms, finance, investment banking etc. that will soon lead to 6 figure income by attending good schools(so called target schools).

If you go to a mediocre no name school, then good luck. You won't even get an interview.

This is delusional and wrong. Only the top students at target colleges get those six-figure job offers. And they prepare for those by curating the perfect resume starting freshman year, with all the right clubs, finance prep outside of class, networking events, and a near perfect GPA. It's not like you just show up to career fair day as a junior and waltz into a $25,000 Goldman Sachs summer internship.

So imagine if you went to some no name school for business. You better start at a good business school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DC is in business. The difference is night and day between good brand name schools vs mediocre no name schools.

You get excellent initial opportunities into great consulting firms, finance, investment banking etc. that will soon lead to 6 figure income by attending good schools(so called target schools).

If you go to a mediocre no name school, then good luck. You won't even get an interview.

This is delusional and wrong. Only the top students at target colleges get those six-figure job offers. And they prepare for those by curating the perfect resume starting freshman year, with all the right clubs, finance prep outside of class, networking events, and a near perfect GPA. It's not like you just show up to career fair day as a junior and waltz into a $25,000 Goldman Sachs summer internship.

Let's pick a college and see... How about Notre Dame finance in Mendoza.
Not the best of the best but a very good business program.
The Average Starting Salary is $86K
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?152080-University-of-Notre-Dame&fos_code=5208&fos_credential=3

So my statement is pretty accurate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Major/program is much more important than the school itself.
So you have to always look at the School/Major combination.

Business(McIntire) at UVA is much more elite than gender study at Yale or Harvard.
Computer Science at Carnegie Melon is much much more elite than physcholgy at Northweatern or U Chigago or any other top 10 school.

You have to look at the College/Major combination to see if it's truly elite, and furthermore what they are doing right after college.

My friend graduated from Yale art with ton of debt. He has been practically jobless for years and years, and barely got a job as an art teacher at a high school.
So much for eliteness. There are endless cases like this.

It's almost shocking that people here extensively talk about colleges, but not much on the majors and programs itself.

There's higher chance that a CS major at GMU would turn out more elite than a psychology major at UVA.

I think the word "elite" is being used incorrectly above. The posters are really referring to expected earnings by major rather than elite.

If someone says I go to Princeton, I study gender study. Does it sound elite?
I go to Northwestern, I major in dance. Does it sound elite?

Princeton and Northwestern may be termed elite and gaining admission to those schools therefore may convey status. You can have a school within a university that is more elite in status than the overall institution (e.g. Wharton at Penn), but majors per se are not elite, and at a liberal arts school like Princeton, the major will only constitute about 30% of total coursework credit.

For the major, you can say it offers limited financial opportunities vs other majors, etc., or you can say a major at a school is stronger than other majors at that school, but that doesn't change the overall status of the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The high paying jobs post graduation has a lot to do with who you know. If you get a good word from someone inside the organization that is a 100 times better than someone with amazing grades. People want to work with others who can team well. You would much rather hire someone you know versus taking the risk of hiring someone who may not fit.

If someone says I go to Yale and major in art. I feel sorry. I personally know someone who graduated Yale art, and he was jobless for years and years, then barely got an art teacher position.
But the fact of the matter is that it's not some random cases you know or I know. There's data from the department of education.

How about Yale majoring in psychology? Sounds a little more legit? When I hear that, my first question is what are you going to do with that? Any career plan?
The starting salary is $38K average while you accumulated tons of debt. https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?130794-Yale-University&fos_code=4201&fos_credential=3
Doesn't sound elite at all.

My definition of eliteness is that you go to a 'good respected' school, study something 'real' and valuable. Then when you graduate, a bunch of great corporations line up and offer you close to a 6 figure salary.

That’s nice. Good of you to include your working definition of “eliteness” since doing so acknowledges that there are other definitions— and at least some of those definitions have absolutely nothing to do with “great corporations “.

I’m not disagreeing with your definition— just noting that there are others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Major/program is much more important than the school itself.
So you have to always look at the School/Major combination.

Business(McIntire) at UVA is much more elite than gender study at Yale or Harvard.
Computer Science at Carnegie Melon is much much more elite than physcholgy at Northweatern or U Chigago or any other top 10 school.

You have to look at the College/Major combination to see if it's truly elite, and furthermore what they are doing right after college.

My friend graduated from Yale art with ton of debt. He has been practically jobless for years and years, and barely got a job as an art teacher at a high school.
So much for eliteness. There are endless cases like this.

It's almost shocking that people here extensively talk about colleges, but not much on the majors and programs itself.

There's higher chance that a CS major at GMU would turn out more elite than a psychology major at UVA.

I think the word "elite" is being used incorrectly above. The posters are really referring to expected earnings by major rather than elite.

If someone says I go to Princeton, I study gender study. Does it sound elite?
I go to Northwestern, I major in dance. Does it sound elite?

Princeton and Northwestern may be termed elite and gaining admission to those schools therefore may convey status. You can have a school within a university that is more elite in status than the overall institution (e.g. Wharton at Penn), but majors per se are not elite, and at a liberal arts school like Princeton, the major will only constitute about 30% of total coursework credit.

For the major, you can say it offers limited financial opportunities vs other majors, etc., or you can say a major at a school is stronger than other majors at that school, but that doesn't change the overall status of the school.

Someone at Yale majoring in Pycology is expect to make starting salary of $38,000 with 100K debt after graduation.
In fact pscychology is 4th most popular among female students at Yale.
That's the accurate status for that. What a status! Sounds very overrated and not ellite.
Peopel need to know the exact status and that's the purpose of this kinds of forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Major/program is much more important than the school itself.
So you have to always look at the School/Major combination.

Business(McIntire) at UVA is much more elite than gender study at Yale or Harvard.
Computer Science at Carnegie Melon is much much more elite than physcholgy at Northweatern or U Chigago or any other top 10 school.

You have to look at the College/Major combination to see if it's truly elite, and furthermore what they are doing right after college.

My friend graduated from Yale art with ton of debt. He has been practically jobless for years and years, and barely got a job as an art teacher at a high school.
So much for eliteness. There are endless cases like this.

It's almost shocking that people here extensively talk about colleges, but not much on the majors and programs itself.

There's higher chance that a CS major at GMU would turn out more elite than a psychology major at UVA.

I think the word "elite" is being used incorrectly above. The posters are really referring to expected earnings by major rather than elite.

If someone says I go to Princeton, I study gender study. Does it sound elite?
I go to Northwestern, I major in dance. Does it sound elite?

Princeton and Northwestern may be termed elite and gaining admission to those schools therefore may convey status. You can have a school within a university that is more elite in status than the overall institution (e.g. Wharton at Penn), but majors per se are not elite, and at a liberal arts school like Princeton, the major will only constitute about 30% of total coursework credit.

For the major, you can say it offers limited financial opportunities vs other majors, etc., or you can say a major at a school is stronger than other majors at that school, but that doesn't change the overall status of the school.

Someone at Yale majoring in Pycology is expect to make starting salary of $38,000 with 100K debt after graduation.
In fact pscychology is 4th most popular among female students at Yale.
That's the accurate status for that. What a status! Sounds very overrated and not ellite.
Peopel need to know the exact status and that's the purpose of this kinds of forum.

I majored in Psychology at Yale. I got my PHD in Clinical Psychology, and had zero debt from graduate school.
Many of my fellow Psych majors went on to law school. All of us made much more than $38,000 in our first full time jobs, and that was several years ago.

You seem to view “status” and being “elite” solely in monetary terms, and that’s fine. Realize though, that there are many who value their educational experiences and accomplishments using other types of measures, and view “status “ in more complex ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Major/program is much more important than the school itself.
So you have to always look at the School/Major combination.

Business(McIntire) at UVA is much more elite than gender study at Yale or Harvard.
Computer Science at Carnegie Melon is much much more elite than physcholgy at Northweatern or U Chigago or any other top 10 school.

You have to look at the College/Major combination to see if it's truly elite, and furthermore what they are doing right after college.

My friend graduated from Yale art with ton of debt. He has been practically jobless for years and years, and barely got a job as an art teacher at a high school.
So much for eliteness. There are endless cases like this.

It's almost shocking that people here extensively talk about colleges, but not much on the majors and programs itself.

There's higher chance that a CS major at GMU would turn out more elite than a psychology major at UVA.

I think the word "elite" is being used incorrectly above. The posters are really referring to expected earnings by major rather than elite.

If someone says I go to Princeton, I study gender study. Does it sound elite?
I go to Northwestern, I major in dance. Does it sound elite?

Princeton and Northwestern may be termed elite and gaining admission to those schools therefore may convey status. You can have a school within a university that is more elite in status than the overall institution (e.g. Wharton at Penn), but majors per se are not elite, and at a liberal arts school like Princeton, the major will only constitute about 30% of total coursework credit.

For the major, you can say it offers limited financial opportunities vs other majors, etc., or you can say a major at a school is stronger than other majors at that school, but that doesn't change the overall status of the school.

Someone at Yale majoring in Pycology is expect to make starting salary of $38,000 with 100K debt after graduation.
In fact pscychology is 4th most popular among female students at Yale.
That's the accurate status for that. What a status! Sounds very overrated and not ellite.
Peopel need to know the exact status and that's the purpose of this kinds of forum.

I majored in Psychology at Yale. I got my PHD in Clinical Psychology, and had zero debt from graduate school.
Many of my fellow Psych majors went on to law school. All of us made much more than $38,000 in our first full time jobs, and that was several years ago.

You seem to view “status” and being “elite” solely in monetary terms, and that’s fine. Realize though, that there are many who value their educational experiences and accomplishments using other types of measures, and view “status “ in more complex ways.

4 years of Psychology then 2 more years of graduate school, and how many more years for PhD?
Google clinical psychologist average salay. it's barely $100K.
I'm pround of your complex status. you somehow at least paid off your debt.