Achilles

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the Achilles bashing has gotten over the top. Why do parents put up with being told not to coach the team? Maybe because no parents should be shouting instructions from the sideline. I'm guessing the poster that heard that was from Bethesda. It's the only home field I can think of where parents were seated behind the teams rather than across the sidelines.

Over the last two years the Achilles 2009 and 2010 squads have lost at least 5 players to 3 MLS Academies. And they've lost other key players for different reasons. Because they're a small club without a large stable of kids to pull from, these losses are hard to make up. The 2009 team has the potential to be really strong this year because it has a good core of quality players that spent all of last year playing up into the U16 bracket. And if they are good, people on here will say results don't matter because of the "abuse." If they don't win a lot of games people will point to it as a sign that Sal can't coach. If the individual players move to MLS academies, or make MLS Next all-star squads, or get USYNT ID invitations (all of which have happened regularly for those age groups), people on here will say it's in spite of the coaching. It's ridiculous and just a function of somebody's axe to grind. Who would come on here and insult the parents of two SYC players who moved to Achilles just to then insult all the parents at Achilles by saying those parents would fit in? And then . . . .root for a team of 14 yr olds to have a bad season. To the few (maybe one) posters who are doing this . . . take a second to self-evaluate. You might find it valuable.

I heard all the USYNT invites were to kids from MLS Club Academies
Which age group had an Achilles player invited?

That's (almost) true of the 2024 national camp in CA.

At least 5 Achilles 2009 and 2010 players, not counting ones that moved to MLS academies, have been invited to the regional camp in Wilmington over the last two years.

The mass ID local region camps have players from many clubs.
All the DC area MLS Next clubs have players there.

After the first cut, it's a different story.

That said, its been said a thousand times that Achilles gets good players.
The results of the teams shows the issue is with the coaching.

you just can't help yourself. Your comment was predicted earlier in this thread. round and round. nothing positive can go unanswered. you can let it go.

and "gets" good players? The players on those lists have been with Achilles since they were little kids. That's coaching, right?

Sounds like personal training, not coaching, if you have a couple good dribblers and they can't perform as a team.

You can always point out where comments are not factual and provide the real truth

I've already done that. You don't care about how depth of squad and a small pool of players could affect results.

Your turn. Tell me about how Achilles training is all about dribbling (it's not). Tell me about how players that are only "good dribblers" get invited to USYNT camps or MLS Academies (they don't). Tell me about how the two Achilles players who got assists in the 2009 and 2010 all star games at MLS Next Cup this year are just "good dribblers" and not team players (they aren't).

You're showing that you don't know anything about Achilles, or soccer.

You're trying too hard on the sell

The last several years in both EDP and MLS Next, Achilles, in every age group has been abysmal in performance. The results and standings don't lie.

There are a couple good players there. Not in dispute.

These inflated exaggerated credits about Achilles players for USYNT and MLS Next All Star etc is disingenuous and misleading.

Should focus more on improving the program and less time peeing in the air and claiming it's raining.

Maybe the obnoxious abusive coaches should make way for new blood and relegate themselves to backoffice duties

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the Achilles bashing has gotten over the top. Why do parents put up with being told not to coach the team? Maybe because no parents should be shouting instructions from the sideline. I'm guessing the poster that heard that was from Bethesda. It's the only home field I can think of where parents were seated behind the teams rather than across the sidelines.

Over the last two years the Achilles 2009 and 2010 squads have lost at least 5 players to 3 MLS Academies. And they've lost other key players for different reasons. Because they're a small club without a large stable of kids to pull from, these losses are hard to make up. The 2009 team has the potential to be really strong this year because it has a good core of quality players that spent all of last year playing up into the U16 bracket. And if they are good, people on here will say results don't matter because of the "abuse." If they don't win a lot of games people will point to it as a sign that Sal can't coach. If the individual players move to MLS academies, or make MLS Next all-star squads, or get USYNT ID invitations (all of which have happened regularly for those age groups), people on here will say it's in spite of the coaching. It's ridiculous and just a function of somebody's axe to grind. Who would come on here and insult the parents of two SYC players who moved to Achilles just to then insult all the parents at Achilles by saying those parents would fit in? And then . . . .root for a team of 14 yr olds to have a bad season. To the few (maybe one) posters who are doing this . . . take a second to self-evaluate. You might find it valuable.

I heard all the USYNT invites were to kids from MLS Club Academies
Which age group had an Achilles player invited?

That's (almost) true of the 2024 national camp in CA.

At least 5 Achilles 2009 and 2010 players, not counting ones that moved to MLS academies, have been invited to the regional camp in Wilmington over the last two years.

The mass ID local region camps have players from many clubs.
All the DC area MLS Next clubs have players there.

After the first cut, it's a different story.

That said, its been said a thousand times that Achilles gets good players.
The results of the teams shows the issue is with the coaching.

you just can't help yourself. Your comment was predicted earlier in this thread. round and round. nothing positive can go unanswered. you can let it go.

and "gets" good players? The players on those lists have been with Achilles since they were little kids. That's coaching, right?

Sounds like personal training, not coaching, if you have a couple good dribblers and they can't perform as a team.

You can always point out where comments are not factual and provide the real truth

I've already done that. You don't care about how depth of squad and a small pool of players could affect results.

Your turn. Tell me about how Achilles training is all about dribbling (it's not). Tell me about how players that are only "good dribblers" get invited to USYNT camps or MLS Academies (they don't). Tell me about how the two Achilles players who got assists in the 2009 and 2010 all star games at MLS Next Cup this year are just "good dribblers" and not team players (they aren't).

You're showing that you don't know anything about Achilles, or soccer.

You're trying too hard on the sell

The last several years in both EDP and MLS Next, Achilles, in every age group has been abysmal in performance. The results and standings don't lie.

There are a couple good players there. Not in dispute.

These inflated exaggerated credits about Achilles players for USYNT and MLS Next All Star etc is disingenuous and misleading.

Should focus more on improving the program and less time peeing in the air and claiming it's raining.

Maybe the obnoxious abusive coaches should make way for new blood and relegate themselves to backoffice duties

Nothing misleading or exaggerated. Just facts backed up with examples. And those things aren't to say that everything is perfect at Achilles. Nothing is perfect anywhere. If I can admit their results could be better, or their style might not be for everyone, can you admit that their player development is far above average, especially considering the smaller number of players and that every one of their high level players has had the same two coaches? This is very different from clubs like Bethesda, Arlington, and Alexandria that literally have thousands more players in their system, hundreds of coaches, and also attract more outside players.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the Achilles bashing has gotten over the top. Why do parents put up with being told not to coach the team? Maybe because no parents should be shouting instructions from the sideline. I'm guessing the poster that heard that was from Bethesda. It's the only home field I can think of where parents were seated behind the teams rather than across the sidelines.

Over the last two years the Achilles 2009 and 2010 squads have lost at least 5 players to 3 MLS Academies. And they've lost other key players for different reasons. Because they're a small club without a large stable of kids to pull from, these losses are hard to make up. The 2009 team has the potential to be really strong this year because it has a good core of quality players that spent all of last year playing up into the U16 bracket. And if they are good, people on here will say results don't matter because of the "abuse." If they don't win a lot of games people will point to it as a sign that Sal can't coach. If the individual players move to MLS academies, or make MLS Next all-star squads, or get USYNT ID invitations (all of which have happened regularly for those age groups), people on here will say it's in spite of the coaching. It's ridiculous and just a function of somebody's axe to grind. Who would come on here and insult the parents of two SYC players who moved to Achilles just to then insult all the parents at Achilles by saying those parents would fit in? And then . . . .root for a team of 14 yr olds to have a bad season. To the few (maybe one) posters who are doing this . . . take a second to self-evaluate. You might find it valuable.

I heard all the USYNT invites were to kids from MLS Club Academies
Which age group had an Achilles player invited?

That's (almost) true of the 2024 national camp in CA.

At least 5 Achilles 2009 and 2010 players, not counting ones that moved to MLS academies, have been invited to the regional camp in Wilmington over the last two years.

The mass ID local region camps have players from many clubs.
All the DC area MLS Next clubs have players there.

After the first cut, it's a different story.

That said, its been said a thousand times that Achilles gets good players.
The results of the teams shows the issue is with the coaching.

you just can't help yourself. Your comment was predicted earlier in this thread. round and round. nothing positive can go unanswered. you can let it go.

and "gets" good players? The players on those lists have been with Achilles since they were little kids. That's coaching, right?

Sounds like personal training, not coaching, if you have a couple good dribblers and they can't perform as a team.

You can always point out where comments are not factual and provide the real truth

I've already done that. You don't care about how depth of squad and a small pool of players could affect results.

Your turn. Tell me about how Achilles training is all about dribbling (it's not). Tell me about how players that are only "good dribblers" get invited to USYNT camps or MLS Academies (they don't). Tell me about how the two Achilles players who got assists in the 2009 and 2010 all star games at MLS Next Cup this year are just "good dribblers" and not team players (they aren't).

You're showing that you don't know anything about Achilles, or soccer.

You're trying too hard on the sell

The last several years in both EDP and MLS Next, Achilles, in every age group has been abysmal in performance. The results and standings don't lie.

There are a couple good players there. Not in dispute.

These inflated exaggerated credits about Achilles players for USYNT and MLS Next All Star etc is disingenuous and misleading.

Should focus more on improving the program and less time peeing in the air and claiming it's raining.

Maybe the obnoxious abusive coaches should make way for new blood and relegate themselves to backoffice duties

Nothing misleading or exaggerated. Just facts backed up with examples. And those things aren't to say that everything is perfect at Achilles. Nothing is perfect anywhere. If I can admit their results could be better, or their style might not be for everyone, can you admit that their player development is far above average, especially considering the smaller number of players and that every one of their high level players has had the same two coaches? This is very different from clubs like Bethesda, Arlington, and Alexandria that literally have thousands more players in their system, hundreds of coaches, and also attract more outside players.

Achilles attracts already good players because of the MLS Next badge and the DC city location.
So no, the player development isn't exceptional or above others.
The two coaches are abusive and nothing to advertise.

There are tiny clubs like World Class Premier and Go Premier (no relation) that are sending kids to DCU and other MLS Club Academies.
That's exceptional.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the Achilles bashing has gotten over the top. Why do parents put up with being told not to coach the team? Maybe because no parents should be shouting instructions from the sideline. I'm guessing the poster that heard that was from Bethesda. It's the only home field I can think of where parents were seated behind the teams rather than across the sidelines.

Over the last two years the Achilles 2009 and 2010 squads have lost at least 5 players to 3 MLS Academies. And they've lost other key players for different reasons. Because they're a small club without a large stable of kids to pull from, these losses are hard to make up. The 2009 team has the potential to be really strong this year because it has a good core of quality players that spent all of last year playing up into the U16 bracket. And if they are good, people on here will say results don't matter because of the "abuse." If they don't win a lot of games people will point to it as a sign that Sal can't coach. If the individual players move to MLS academies, or make MLS Next all-star squads, or get USYNT ID invitations (all of which have happened regularly for those age groups), people on here will say it's in spite of the coaching. It's ridiculous and just a function of somebody's axe to grind. Who would come on here and insult the parents of two SYC players who moved to Achilles just to then insult all the parents at Achilles by saying those parents would fit in? And then . . . .root for a team of 14 yr olds to have a bad season. To the few (maybe one) posters who are doing this . . . take a second to self-evaluate. You might find it valuable.

I heard all the USYNT invites were to kids from MLS Club Academies
Which age group had an Achilles player invited?

That's (almost) true of the 2024 national camp in CA.

At least 5 Achilles 2009 and 2010 players, not counting ones that moved to MLS academies, have been invited to the regional camp in Wilmington over the last two years.

The mass ID local region camps have players from many clubs.
All the DC area MLS Next clubs have players there.

After the first cut, it's a different story.

That said, its been said a thousand times that Achilles gets good players.
The results of the teams shows the issue is with the coaching.

you just can't help yourself. Your comment was predicted earlier in this thread. round and round. nothing positive can go unanswered. you can let it go.

and "gets" good players? The players on those lists have been with Achilles since they were little kids. That's coaching, right?

Sounds like personal training, not coaching, if you have a couple good dribblers and they can't perform as a team.

You can always point out where comments are not factual and provide the real truth

I've already done that. You don't care about how depth of squad and a small pool of players could affect results.

Your turn. Tell me about how Achilles training is all about dribbling (it's not). Tell me about how players that are only "good dribblers" get invited to USYNT camps or MLS Academies (they don't). Tell me about how the two Achilles players who got assists in the 2009 and 2010 all star games at MLS Next Cup this year are just "good dribblers" and not team players (they aren't).

You're showing that you don't know anything about Achilles, or soccer.

You're trying too hard on the sell

The last several years in both EDP and MLS Next, Achilles, in every age group has been abysmal in performance. The results and standings don't lie.

There are a couple good players there. Not in dispute.

These inflated exaggerated credits about Achilles players for USYNT and MLS Next All Star etc is disingenuous and misleading.

Should focus more on improving the program and less time peeing in the air and claiming it's raining.

Maybe the obnoxious abusive coaches should make way for new blood and relegate themselves to backoffice duties

Nothing misleading or exaggerated. Just facts backed up with examples. And those things aren't to say that everything is perfect at Achilles. Nothing is perfect anywhere. If I can admit their results could be better, or their style might not be for everyone, can you admit that their player development is far above average, especially considering the smaller number of players and that every one of their high level players has had the same two coaches? This is very different from clubs like Bethesda, Arlington, and Alexandria that literally have thousands more players in their system, hundreds of coaches, and also attract more outside players.

Achilles attracts already good players because of the MLS Next badge and the DC city location.
So no, the player development isn't exceptional or above others.
The two coaches are abusive and nothing to advertise.

There are tiny clubs like World Class Premier and Go Premier (no relation) that are sending kids to DCU and other MLS Club Academies.
That's exceptional.

This is just untrue. And already dealt with above. none of those kids came from outside clubs and were at Achilles before MLS Next existed. Try again.

On the other two. If that's the case, good on them. I'm assuming they're not sending as many as Achilles but feel free to put that out there and congrats. Good player development is hard to come by. I don't see how Achilles location helps anything considering their proximity to Bethesda and the difficulty getting there from most places. Is Achilles that much bigger than the clubs you mentioned?

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the Achilles bashing has gotten over the top. Why do parents put up with being told not to coach the team? Maybe because no parents should be shouting instructions from the sideline. I'm guessing the poster that heard that was from Bethesda. It's the only home field I can think of where parents were seated behind the teams rather than across the sidelines.

Over the last two years the Achilles 2009 and 2010 squads have lost at least 5 players to 3 MLS Academies. And they've lost other key players for different reasons. Because they're a small club without a large stable of kids to pull from, these losses are hard to make up. The 2009 team has the potential to be really strong this year because it has a good core of quality players that spent all of last year playing up into the U16 bracket. And if they are good, people on here will say results don't matter because of the "abuse." If they don't win a lot of games people will point to it as a sign that Sal can't coach. If the individual players move to MLS academies, or make MLS Next all-star squads, or get USYNT ID invitations (all of which have happened regularly for those age groups), people on here will say it's in spite of the coaching. It's ridiculous and just a function of somebody's axe to grind. Who would come on here and insult the parents of two SYC players who moved to Achilles just to then insult all the parents at Achilles by saying those parents would fit in? And then . . . .root for a team of 14 yr olds to have a bad season. To the few (maybe one) posters who are doing this . . . take a second to self-evaluate. You might find it valuable.

I heard all the USYNT invites were to kids from MLS Club Academies
Which age group had an Achilles player invited?

That's (almost) true of the 2024 national camp in CA.

At least 5 Achilles 2009 and 2010 players, not counting ones that moved to MLS academies, have been invited to the regional camp in Wilmington over the last two years.

The mass ID local region camps have players from many clubs.
All the DC area MLS Next clubs have players there.

After the first cut, it's a different story.

That said, its been said a thousand times that Achilles gets good players.
The results of the teams shows the issue is with the coaching.

you just can't help yourself. Your comment was predicted earlier in this thread. round and round. nothing positive can go unanswered. you can let it go.

and "gets" good players? The players on those lists have been with Achilles since they were little kids. That's coaching, right?

Sounds like personal training, not coaching, if you have a couple good dribblers and they can't perform as a team.

You can always point out where comments are not factual and provide the real truth

I've already done that. You don't care about how depth of squad and a small pool of players could affect results.

Your turn. Tell me about how Achilles training is all about dribbling (it's not). Tell me about how players that are only "good dribblers" get invited to USYNT camps or MLS Academies (they don't). Tell me about how the two Achilles players who got assists in the 2009 and 2010 all star games at MLS Next Cup this year are just "good dribblers" and not team players (they aren't).

You're showing that you don't know anything about Achilles, or soccer.

You're trying too hard on the sell

The last several years in both EDP and MLS Next, Achilles, in every age group has been abysmal in performance. The results and standings don't lie.

There are a couple good players there. Not in dispute.

These inflated exaggerated credits about Achilles players for USYNT and MLS Next All Star etc is disingenuous and misleading.

Should focus more on improving the program and less time peeing in the air and claiming it's raining.

Maybe the obnoxious abusive coaches should make way for new blood and relegate themselves to backoffice duties

Nothing misleading or exaggerated. Just facts backed up with examples. And those things aren't to say that everything is perfect at Achilles. Nothing is perfect anywhere. If I can admit their results could be better, or their style might not be for everyone, can you admit that their player development is far above average, especially considering the smaller number of players and that every one of their high level players has had the same two coaches? This is very different from clubs like Bethesda, Arlington, and Alexandria that literally have thousands more players in their system, hundreds of coaches, and also attract more outside players.

Achilles attracts already good players because of the MLS Next badge and the DC city location.
So no, the player development isn't exceptional or above others.
The two coaches are abusive and nothing to advertise.

There are tiny clubs like World Class Premier and Go Premier (no relation) that are sending kids to DCU and other MLS Club Academies.
That's exceptional.

This is just untrue. And already dealt with above. none of those kids came from outside clubs and were at Achilles before MLS Next existed. Try again.

On the other two. If that's the case, good on them. I'm assuming they're not sending as many as Achilles but feel free to put that out there and congrats. Good player development is hard to come by. I don't see how Achilles location helps anything considering their proximity to Bethesda and the difficulty getting there from most places. Is Achilles that much bigger than the clubs you mentioned?

Very simple.
Get rid of the two maniacs yelling and screaming at players and refs and parents on the sidelines.
That's your problem.

That's why Achilles is a bottom league performer.
If btw the individual player development was that top notch, the L's wouldn't be so constant, consistent and lopsided.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the Achilles bashing has gotten over the top. Why do parents put up with being told not to coach the team? Maybe because no parents should be shouting instructions from the sideline. I'm guessing the poster that heard that was from Bethesda. It's the only home field I can think of where parents were seated behind the teams rather than across the sidelines.

Over the last two years the Achilles 2009 and 2010 squads have lost at least 5 players to 3 MLS Academies. And they've lost other key players for different reasons. Because they're a small club without a large stable of kids to pull from, these losses are hard to make up. The 2009 team has the potential to be really strong this year because it has a good core of quality players that spent all of last year playing up into the U16 bracket. And if they are good, people on here will say results don't matter because of the "abuse." If they don't win a lot of games people will point to it as a sign that Sal can't coach. If the individual players move to MLS academies, or make MLS Next all-star squads, or get USYNT ID invitations (all of which have happened regularly for those age groups), people on here will say it's in spite of the coaching. It's ridiculous and just a function of somebody's axe to grind. Who would come on here and insult the parents of two SYC players who moved to Achilles just to then insult all the parents at Achilles by saying those parents would fit in? And then . . . .root for a team of 14 yr olds to have a bad season. To the few (maybe one) posters who are doing this . . . take a second to self-evaluate. You might find it valuable.

I heard all the USYNT invites were to kids from MLS Club Academies
Which age group had an Achilles player invited?

That's (almost) true of the 2024 national camp in CA.

At least 5 Achilles 2009 and 2010 players, not counting ones that moved to MLS academies, have been invited to the regional camp in Wilmington over the last two years.

The mass ID local region camps have players from many clubs.
All the DC area MLS Next clubs have players there.

After the first cut, it's a different story.

That said, its been said a thousand times that Achilles gets good players.
The results of the teams shows the issue is with the coaching.

you just can't help yourself. Your comment was predicted earlier in this thread. round and round. nothing positive can go unanswered. you can let it go.

and "gets" good players? The players on those lists have been with Achilles since they were little kids. That's coaching, right?

Sounds like personal training, not coaching, if you have a couple good dribblers and they can't perform as a team.

You can always point out where comments are not factual and provide the real truth

I've already done that. You don't care about how depth of squad and a small pool of players could affect results.

Your turn. Tell me about how Achilles training is all about dribbling (it's not). Tell me about how players that are only "good dribblers" get invited to USYNT camps or MLS Academies (they don't). Tell me about how the two Achilles players who got assists in the 2009 and 2010 all star games at MLS Next Cup this year are just "good dribblers" and not team players (they aren't).

You're showing that you don't know anything about Achilles, or soccer.

You're trying too hard on the sell

The last several years in both EDP and MLS Next, Achilles, in every age group has been abysmal in performance. The results and standings don't lie.

There are a couple good players there. Not in dispute.

These inflated exaggerated credits about Achilles players for USYNT and MLS Next All Star etc is disingenuous and misleading.

Should focus more on improving the program and less time peeing in the air and claiming it's raining.

Maybe the obnoxious abusive coaches should make way for new blood and relegate themselves to backoffice duties

Nothing misleading or exaggerated. Just facts backed up with examples. And those things aren't to say that everything is perfect at Achilles. Nothing is perfect anywhere. If I can admit their results could be better, or their style might not be for everyone, can you admit that their player development is far above average, especially considering the smaller number of players and that every one of their high level players has had the same two coaches? This is very different from clubs like Bethesda, Arlington, and Alexandria that literally have thousands more players in their system, hundreds of coaches, and also attract more outside players.

Achilles attracts already good players because of the MLS Next badge and the DC city location.
So no, the player development isn't exceptional or above others.
The two coaches are abusive and nothing to advertise.

There are tiny clubs like World Class Premier and Go Premier (no relation) that are sending kids to DCU and other MLS Club Academies.
That's exceptional.

This is just untrue. And already dealt with above. none of those kids came from outside clubs and were at Achilles before MLS Next existed. Try again.

On the other two. If that's the case, good on them. I'm assuming they're not sending as many as Achilles but feel free to put that out there and congrats. Good player development is hard to come by. I don't see how Achilles location helps anything considering their proximity to Bethesda and the difficulty getting there from most places. Is Achilles that much bigger than the clubs you mentioned?

Very simple.
Get rid of the two maniacs yelling and screaming at players and refs and parents on the sidelines.
That's your problem.

That's why Achilles is a bottom league performer.
If btw the individual player development was that top notch, the L's wouldn't be so constant, consistent and lopsided.

I'm sorry this is so hard for you to let anything positive about Achilles go. And I guess MLS Next Academy scouts and USYNT officials just disagree re: Achilles player development. I'm sure you're right.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the Achilles bashing has gotten over the top. Why do parents put up with being told not to coach the team? Maybe because no parents should be shouting instructions from the sideline. I'm guessing the poster that heard that was from Bethesda. It's the only home field I can think of where parents were seated behind the teams rather than across the sidelines.

Over the last two years the Achilles 2009 and 2010 squads have lost at least 5 players to 3 MLS Academies. And they've lost other key players for different reasons. Because they're a small club without a large stable of kids to pull from, these losses are hard to make up. The 2009 team has the potential to be really strong this year because it has a good core of quality players that spent all of last year playing up into the U16 bracket. And if they are good, people on here will say results don't matter because of the "abuse." If they don't win a lot of games people will point to it as a sign that Sal can't coach. If the individual players move to MLS academies, or make MLS Next all-star squads, or get USYNT ID invitations (all of which have happened regularly for those age groups), people on here will say it's in spite of the coaching. It's ridiculous and just a function of somebody's axe to grind. Who would come on here and insult the parents of two SYC players who moved to Achilles just to then insult all the parents at Achilles by saying those parents would fit in? And then . . . .root for a team of 14 yr olds to have a bad season. To the few (maybe one) posters who are doing this . . . take a second to self-evaluate. You might find it valuable.

I heard all the USYNT invites were to kids from MLS Club Academies
Which age group had an Achilles player invited?

That's (almost) true of the 2024 national camp in CA.

At least 5 Achilles 2009 and 2010 players, not counting ones that moved to MLS academies, have been invited to the regional camp in Wilmington over the last two years.

The mass ID local region camps have players from many clubs.
All the DC area MLS Next clubs have players there.

After the first cut, it's a different story.

That said, its been said a thousand times that Achilles gets good players.
The results of the teams shows the issue is with the coaching.

you just can't help yourself. Your comment was predicted earlier in this thread. round and round. nothing positive can go unanswered. you can let it go.

and "gets" good players? The players on those lists have been with Achilles since they were little kids. That's coaching, right?

Sounds like personal training, not coaching, if you have a couple good dribblers and they can't perform as a team.

You can always point out where comments are not factual and provide the real truth

I've already done that. You don't care about how depth of squad and a small pool of players could affect results.

Your turn. Tell me about how Achilles training is all about dribbling (it's not). Tell me about how players that are only "good dribblers" get invited to USYNT camps or MLS Academies (they don't). Tell me about how the two Achilles players who got assists in the 2009 and 2010 all star games at MLS Next Cup this year are just "good dribblers" and not team players (they aren't).

You're showing that you don't know anything about Achilles, or soccer.

You're trying too hard on the sell

The last several years in both EDP and MLS Next, Achilles, in every age group has been abysmal in performance. The results and standings don't lie.

There are a couple good players there. Not in dispute.

These inflated exaggerated credits about Achilles players for USYNT and MLS Next All Star etc is disingenuous and misleading.

Should focus more on improving the program and less time peeing in the air and claiming it's raining.

Maybe the obnoxious abusive coaches should make way for new blood and relegate themselves to backoffice duties

Nothing misleading or exaggerated. Just facts backed up with examples. And those things aren't to say that everything is perfect at Achilles. Nothing is perfect anywhere. If I can admit their results could be better, or their style might not be for everyone, can you admit that their player development is far above average, especially considering the smaller number of players and that every one of their high level players has had the same two coaches? This is very different from clubs like Bethesda, Arlington, and Alexandria that literally have thousands more players in their system, hundreds of coaches, and also attract more outside players.

Achilles attracts already good players because of the MLS Next badge and the DC city location.
So no, the player development isn't exceptional or above others.
The two coaches are abusive and nothing to advertise.

There are tiny clubs like World Class Premier and Go Premier (no relation) that are sending kids to DCU and other MLS Club Academies.
That's exceptional.

This is just untrue. And already dealt with above. none of those kids came from outside clubs and were at Achilles before MLS Next existed. Try again.

On the other two. If that's the case, good on them. I'm assuming they're not sending as many as Achilles but feel free to put that out there and congrats. Good player development is hard to come by. I don't see how Achilles location helps anything considering their proximity to Bethesda and the difficulty getting there from most places. Is Achilles that much bigger than the clubs you mentioned?

Very simple.
Get rid of the two maniacs yelling and screaming at players and refs and parents on the sidelines.
That's your problem.

That's why Achilles is a bottom league performer.
If btw the individual player development was that top notch, the L's wouldn't be so constant, consistent and lopsided.

Man, the mental space Achilles occupies in your head is insane. I assume you’re getting help as they’re not going anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the Achilles bashing has gotten over the top. Why do parents put up with being told not to coach the team? Maybe because no parents should be shouting instructions from the sideline. I'm guessing the poster that heard that was from Bethesda. It's the only home field I can think of where parents were seated behind the teams rather than across the sidelines.

Over the last two years the Achilles 2009 and 2010 squads have lost at least 5 players to 3 MLS Academies. And they've lost other key players for different reasons. Because they're a small club without a large stable of kids to pull from, these losses are hard to make up. The 2009 team has the potential to be really strong this year because it has a good core of quality players that spent all of last year playing up into the U16 bracket. And if they are good, people on here will say results don't matter because of the "abuse." If they don't win a lot of games people will point to it as a sign that Sal can't coach. If the individual players move to MLS academies, or make MLS Next all-star squads, or get USYNT ID invitations (all of which have happened regularly for those age groups), people on here will say it's in spite of the coaching. It's ridiculous and just a function of somebody's axe to grind. Who would come on here and insult the parents of two SYC players who moved to Achilles just to then insult all the parents at Achilles by saying those parents would fit in? And then . . . .root for a team of 14 yr olds to have a bad season. To the few (maybe one) posters who are doing this . . . take a second to self-evaluate. You might find it valuable.

I heard all the USYNT invites were to kids from MLS Club Academies
Which age group had an Achilles player invited?

That's (almost) true of the 2024 national camp in CA.

At least 5 Achilles 2009 and 2010 players, not counting ones that moved to MLS academies, have been invited to the regional camp in Wilmington over the last two years.

The mass ID local region camps have players from many clubs.
All the DC area MLS Next clubs have players there.

After the first cut, it's a different story.

That said, its been said a thousand times that Achilles gets good players.
The results of the teams shows the issue is with the coaching.

you just can't help yourself. Your comment was predicted earlier in this thread. round and round. nothing positive can go unanswered. you can let it go.

and "gets" good players? The players on those lists have been with Achilles since they were little kids. That's coaching, right?

Sounds like personal training, not coaching, if you have a couple good dribblers and they can't perform as a team.

You can always point out where comments are not factual and provide the real truth

I've already done that. You don't care about how depth of squad and a small pool of players could affect results.

Your turn. Tell me about how Achilles training is all about dribbling (it's not). Tell me about how players that are only "good dribblers" get invited to USYNT camps or MLS Academies (they don't). Tell me about how the two Achilles players who got assists in the 2009 and 2010 all star games at MLS Next Cup this year are just "good dribblers" and not team players (they aren't).

You're showing that you don't know anything about Achilles, or soccer.

You're trying too hard on the sell

The last several years in both EDP and MLS Next, Achilles, in every age group has been abysmal in performance. The results and standings don't lie.

There are a couple good players there. Not in dispute.

These inflated exaggerated credits about Achilles players for USYNT and MLS Next All Star etc is disingenuous and misleading.

Should focus more on improving the program and less time peeing in the air and claiming it's raining.

Maybe the obnoxious abusive coaches should make way for new blood and relegate themselves to backoffice duties

Nothing misleading or exaggerated. Just facts backed up with examples. And those things aren't to say that everything is perfect at Achilles. Nothing is perfect anywhere. If I can admit their results could be better, or their style might not be for everyone, can you admit that their player development is far above average, especially considering the smaller number of players and that every one of their high level players has had the same two coaches? This is very different from clubs like Bethesda, Arlington, and Alexandria that literally have thousands more players in their system, hundreds of coaches, and also attract more outside players.

Achilles attracts already good players because of the MLS Next badge and the DC city location.
So no, the player development isn't exceptional or above others.
The two coaches are abusive and nothing to advertise.

There are tiny clubs like World Class Premier and Go Premier (no relation) that are sending kids to DCU and other MLS Club Academies.
That's exceptional.

This is just untrue. And already dealt with above. none of those kids came from outside clubs and were at Achilles before MLS Next existed. Try again.

On the other two. If that's the case, good on them. I'm assuming they're not sending as many as Achilles but feel free to put that out there and congrats. Good player development is hard to come by. I don't see how Achilles location helps anything considering their proximity to Bethesda and the difficulty getting there from most places. Is Achilles that much bigger than the clubs you mentioned?

Very simple.
Get rid of the two maniacs yelling and screaming at players and refs and parents on the sidelines.
That's your problem.

That's why Achilles is a bottom league performer.
If btw the individual player development was that top notch, the L's wouldn't be so constant, consistent and lopsided.

Man, the mental space Achilles occupies in your head is insane. I assume you’re getting help as they’re not going anywhere.

I'm quite sure the poster doesn't care about Achilles and is just pushing buttons

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the Achilles bashing has gotten over the top. Why do parents put up with being told not to coach the team? Maybe because no parents should be shouting instructions from the sideline. I'm guessing the poster that heard that was from Bethesda. It's the only home field I can think of where parents were seated behind the teams rather than across the sidelines.

Over the last two years the Achilles 2009 and 2010 squads have lost at least 5 players to 3 MLS Academies. And they've lost other key players for different reasons. Because they're a small club without a large stable of kids to pull from, these losses are hard to make up. The 2009 team has the potential to be really strong this year because it has a good core of quality players that spent all of last year playing up into the U16 bracket. And if they are good, people on here will say results don't matter because of the "abuse." If they don't win a lot of games people will point to it as a sign that Sal can't coach. If the individual players move to MLS academies, or make MLS Next all-star squads, or get USYNT ID invitations (all of which have happened regularly for those age groups), people on here will say it's in spite of the coaching. It's ridiculous and just a function of somebody's axe to grind. Who would come on here and insult the parents of two SYC players who moved to Achilles just to then insult all the parents at Achilles by saying those parents would fit in? And then . . . .root for a team of 14 yr olds to have a bad season. To the few (maybe one) posters who are doing this . . . take a second to self-evaluate. You might find it valuable.

I heard all the USYNT invites were to kids from MLS Club Academies
Which age group had an Achilles player invited?

That's (almost) true of the 2024 national camp in CA.

At least 5 Achilles 2009 and 2010 players, not counting ones that moved to MLS academies, have been invited to the regional camp in Wilmington over the last two years.

The mass ID local region camps have players from many clubs.
All the DC area MLS Next clubs have players there.

After the first cut, it's a different story.

That said, its been said a thousand times that Achilles gets good players.
The results of the teams shows the issue is with the coaching.

you just can't help yourself. Your comment was predicted earlier in this thread. round and round. nothing positive can go unanswered. you can let it go.

and "gets" good players? The players on those lists have been with Achilles since they were little kids. That's coaching, right?

Sounds like personal training, not coaching, if you have a couple good dribblers and they can't perform as a team.

You can always point out where comments are not factual and provide the real truth

I've already done that. You don't care about how depth of squad and a small pool of players could affect results.

Your turn. Tell me about how Achilles training is all about dribbling (it's not). Tell me about how players that are only "good dribblers" get invited to USYNT camps or MLS Academies (they don't). Tell me about how the two Achilles players who got assists in the 2009 and 2010 all star games at MLS Next Cup this year are just "good dribblers" and not team players (they aren't).

You're showing that you don't know anything about Achilles, or soccer.

You're trying too hard on the sell

The last several years in both EDP and MLS Next, Achilles, in every age group has been abysmal in performance. The results and standings don't lie.

There are a couple good players there. Not in dispute.

These inflated exaggerated credits about Achilles players for USYNT and MLS Next All Star etc is disingenuous and misleading.

Should focus more on improving the program and less time peeing in the air and claiming it's raining.

Maybe the obnoxious abusive coaches should make way for new blood and relegate themselves to backoffice duties

Nothing misleading or exaggerated. Just facts backed up with examples. And those things aren't to say that everything is perfect at Achilles. Nothing is perfect anywhere. If I can admit their results could be better, or their style might not be for everyone, can you admit that their player development is far above average, especially considering the smaller number of players and that every one of their high level players has had the same two coaches? This is very different from clubs like Bethesda, Arlington, and Alexandria that literally have thousands more players in their system, hundreds of coaches, and also attract more outside players.

Achilles attracts already good players because of the MLS Next badge and the DC city location.
So no, the player development isn't exceptional or above others.
The two coaches are abusive and nothing to advertise.

There are tiny clubs like World Class Premier and Go Premier (no relation) that are sending kids to DCU and other MLS Club Academies.
That's exceptional.

This is just untrue. And already dealt with above. none of those kids came from outside clubs and were at Achilles before MLS Next existed. Try again.

On the other two. If that's the case, good on them. I'm assuming they're not sending as many as Achilles but feel free to put that out there and congrats. Good player development is hard to come by. I don't see how Achilles location helps anything considering their proximity to Bethesda and the difficulty getting there from most places. Is Achilles that much bigger than the clubs you mentioned?

Very simple.
Get rid of the two maniacs yelling and screaming at players and refs and parents on the sidelines.
That's your problem.

That's why Achilles is a bottom league performer.
If btw the individual player development was that top notch, the L's wouldn't be so constant, consistent and lopsided.

Man, the mental space Achilles occupies in your head is insane. I assume you’re getting help as they’re not going anywhere.

I'm quite sure the poster doesn't care about Achilles and is just pushing buttons

I suppose that’s true but all that negativity still takes a lot of time and energy and they are very consistent and persistent.

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Whats constant is Achilles always losing games.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the Achilles bashing has gotten over the top. Why do parents put up with being told not to coach the team? Maybe because no parents should be shouting instructions from the sideline. I'm guessing the poster that heard that was from Bethesda. It's the only home field I can think of where parents were seated behind the teams rather than across the sidelines.

Over the last two years the Achilles 2009 and 2010 squads have lost at least 5 players to 3 MLS Academies. And they've lost other key players for different reasons. Because they're a small club without a large stable of kids to pull from, these losses are hard to make up. The 2009 team has the potential to be really strong this year because it has a good core of quality players that spent all of last year playing up into the U16 bracket. And if they are good, people on here will say results don't matter because of the "abuse." If they don't win a lot of games people will point to it as a sign that Sal can't coach. If the individual players move to MLS academies, or make MLS Next all-star squads, or get USYNT ID invitations (all of which have happened regularly for those age groups), people on here will say it's in spite of the coaching. It's ridiculous and just a function of somebody's axe to grind. Who would come on here and insult the parents of two SYC players who moved to Achilles just to then insult all the parents at Achilles by saying those parents would fit in? And then . . . .root for a team of 14 yr olds to have a bad season. To the few (maybe one) posters who are doing this . . . take a second to self-evaluate. You might find it valuable.

I heard all the USYNT invites were to kids from MLS Club Academies
Which age group had an Achilles player invited?

That's (almost) true of the 2024 national camp in CA.

At least 5 Achilles 2009 and 2010 players, not counting ones that moved to MLS academies, have been invited to the regional camp in Wilmington over the last two years.

The mass ID local region camps have players from many clubs.
All the DC area MLS Next clubs have players there.

After the first cut, it's a different story.

That said, its been said a thousand times that Achilles gets good players.
The results of the teams shows the issue is with the coaching.

you just can't help yourself. Your comment was predicted earlier in this thread. round and round. nothing positive can go unanswered. you can let it go.

and "gets" good players? The players on those lists have been with Achilles since they were little kids. That's coaching, right?

Sounds like personal training, not coaching, if you have a couple good dribblers and they can't perform as a team.

You can always point out where comments are not factual and provide the real truth

I've already done that. You don't care about how depth of squad and a small pool of players could affect results.

Your turn. Tell me about how Achilles training is all about dribbling (it's not). Tell me about how players that are only "good dribblers" get invited to USYNT camps or MLS Academies (they don't). Tell me about how the two Achilles players who got assists in the 2009 and 2010 all star games at MLS Next Cup this year are just "good dribblers" and not team players (they aren't).

You're showing that you don't know anything about Achilles, or soccer.

You're trying too hard on the sell

The last several years in both EDP and MLS Next, Achilles, in every age group has been abysmal in performance. The results and standings don't lie.

There are a couple good players there. Not in dispute.

These inflated exaggerated credits about Achilles players for USYNT and MLS Next All Star etc is disingenuous and misleading.

Should focus more on improving the program and less time peeing in the air and claiming it's raining.

Maybe the obnoxious abusive coaches should make way for new blood and relegate themselves to backoffice duties

Nothing misleading or exaggerated. Just facts backed up with examples. And those things aren't to say that everything is perfect at Achilles. Nothing is perfect anywhere. If I can admit their results could be better, or their style might not be for everyone, can you admit that their player development is far above average, especially considering the smaller number of players and that every one of their high level players has had the same two coaches? This is very different from clubs like Bethesda, Arlington, and Alexandria that literally have thousands more players in their system, hundreds of coaches, and also attract more outside players.

Achilles attracts already good players because of the MLS Next badge and the DC city location.
So no, the player development isn't exceptional or above others.
The two coaches are abusive and nothing to advertise.

There are tiny clubs like World Class Premier and Go Premier (no relation) that are sending kids to DCU and other MLS Club Academies.
That's exceptional.

This is just untrue. And already dealt with above. none of those kids came from outside clubs and were at Achilles before MLS Next existed. Try again.

On the other two. If that's the case, good on them. I'm assuming they're not sending as many as Achilles but feel free to put that out there and congrats. Good player development is hard to come by. I don't see how Achilles location helps anything considering their proximity to Bethesda and the difficulty getting there from most places. Is Achilles that much bigger than the clubs you mentioned?

Very simple.
Get rid of the two maniacs yelling and screaming at players and refs and parents on the sidelines.
That's your problem.

That's why Achilles is a bottom league performer.
If btw the individual player development was that top notch, the L's wouldn't be so constant, consistent and lopsided.

Man, the mental space Achilles occupies in your head is insane. I assume you’re getting help as they’re not going anywhere.

I'm quite sure the poster doesn't care about Achilles and is just pushing buttons

I suppose that’s true but all that negativity still takes a lot of time and energy and they are very consistent and persistent.

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The most consistent thing I’ve noticed is that parents who are so focused on being on a winning team have kids who everyone can tell aren’t very good.

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Anonymous wrote:The most consistent thing I’ve noticed is that parents who are so focused on being on a winning team have kids who everyone can tell aren’t very good.

No one is talking about being on a winning team
They saying Achilles loses a lot, constantly and consistently at all levels and ages.
So something has to be wrong if the players are decent.

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Anonymous wrote:The most consistent thing I’ve noticed is that parents who are so focused on being on a winning team have kids who everyone can tell aren’t very good.

No one is talking about being on a winning team
They saying Achilles loses a lot, constantly and consistently at all levels and ages.
So something has to be wrong if the players are decent.

Honestly still don’t understand why anyone is fixated on that though. The club continues to exist and players sent to DCU or IDed or wherever. I’m not sure what the point is of pontificating on what’s “wrong” with it.

Dont go to Achilles if you’re not convinced it’s a good environment to develop your kid. Clearly no one sends their kids there because of their win-loss record.

If there’s a legitimate concern about abuse or whatever, file a report with SafeSport or MLSNext or whoever you need to file a claim with.

[Anonymous]

Achilles rosters started dropping this week ... feeling real good about the club this year! "We coming.."