"A Cheap, Race-Neutral Way to Close the Racial Wealth Gap..

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Anonymous wrote:Here you go https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4850739/

Black households are much more likely to be headed by a single female warmer versus white households are more likely to be two earner which explains some differences in HH wealth.

But you can even take marriage out of it...

white, single-parent families still have more wealth than black, single-parent families.

White single parents are more likely to have been married at one time and then divorced so benefitted from resource pooling for at least some time and divorce settlements for the custodial parent. Black mothers are more likely to have never married the father of their children.

Whites also tend to have their first child at an older age when there is more economic stability.

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Anonymous wrote:So my understanding of the black/white wealth gap is because there is a huge concentration of wealth among a minority of affluent whites (virtually all the billionaires are white, for example), that can help skew the data greatly.

I don't doubt that there are impoverished blacks and wealthy whites, as we all know, and average white household incomes are higher than the average black household income (but so are average Asian and Hispanic household incomes, yet they aren't white either). However, the way this argument is being conducted is treating all whites as a monolith and all blacks as a monolith. There are millions and millions of whites who have nothing like 450k average household wealth, and plenty of blacks who do. Millions of whites have absolutely nothing.

The existence of the millions of poor whites proves that being poor isn't determined by solely by race. How does a poor black person know that they are poor because they are black, or because of other factors? Millions of non-white immigrants come to this country with nothing, and despite not being white, end up with more than the average black person. So is it race that is the answer to everything or are there many other factors at play too?

I can see why there is anger. But going to Uncle Sam with the begging bowl for the latest version of welfare isn't the answer.

Here is the deal, I don't agree with this $50K plan, it's stupid.

But if you really, really, really believe that black people are not denied an equal education, equal healthcare, equal jobs, equal mortgages, equal access to housing, etc... if you truly don't believe it then you just refuse to listen or you are willfully ignorant.

I'm not going to try to convince you here with a study from Harvard or Duke.

Please just educate yourself. I'm sure you are one of my friends/ neighbors who say the same damn ignorant sh*t, I'm sure deep down you are a "good person".... just educate yourself.

All these are arbitrary claims, just as your statement to "just educate yourself" is. You have decided on your narrative and you don't care about anything that doesn't fit it.

A lot of black Americans face problems, certainly. From what I can tell, it's mostly problems stemming from institutionalized poverty more than race. And there's cultural factors at play. Especially poor urban cultural factors that is disdainful of education, has out of wedlock pregnancies and doesn't marry. These are all more problematic and influential than any of the so called allegations about lack of equal education. No amount of reparations is going to change any of this. But a lot will change if attitudes towards education and child-rearing changes. But no one wants to talk about that, they'd rather blame everything on police violence and demand more freebies from the government.

Perhaps you should educate yourself? But I suspect you don't want to. You'd rather stick to the buzzwords and twitter feeds and and racial mongerers telling you you're owed something instead of having to work for it, everything instead of your own actions, your own behaviors, your own decisions.

Let's talk about your biases. You probably automatically assumed I was white, right? Probably a white woman, aka a Karen, right? But you have no idea where I come from, who I am or my life experience. And that tells me you are to eager to blindly embrace the cliches and stereotypes because you can continue to blame your failures on being disenfranchised instead of your own actions.

Except I have studied this for about 10 years.

I’m not using buzz words and I am a mathematical statistician ... I don’t believe anything I hear on TV because I don’t think talking heads are even smart enough to understand the data.

But you are willfully ignorant and there are actually open minded people that truthfully want to learn and be part of the solution, so I dont really have was time to waste on somebody who bathes in their ignorance with the temperament of a teenager.

I'm sure you "studied" it from the self-selected angry theorists. In less polite times we'd have called it crackpot theorists. I can tell from your failure to defend yourself or to present any compelling data on genuine systematic racism (you can't, because they don't exist), while your response to rebuttals is simply to shriek "you're racist and you don't even see it!". And from the way you continue to ignore all the valid points brought up about factors well outside racism affecting people's inabilities to get ahead with life.

It's quite understandable, of course. It's what happens with people whose identities and self-valuation are so wrapped up in a certain outlook at life, especially one where their identities rests upon being perpetual victims.

I was not that PP who called you "racist" I called you "ignorant" you are... that is not a put down, it's a fact. Just like if you were giving advice on farming but never farmed.

It's sad actually. It's too bad, but I have hope for future generation. I just think people like you will never understand and that is okay. We need to educate those that can and are willing to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:So my understanding of the black/white wealth gap is because there is a huge concentration of wealth among a minority of affluent whites (virtually all the billionaires are white, for example), that can help skew the data greatly.

I don't doubt that there are impoverished blacks and wealthy whites, as we all know, and average white household incomes are higher than the average black household income (but so are average Asian and Hispanic household incomes, yet they aren't white either). However, the way this argument is being conducted is treating all whites as a monolith and all blacks as a monolith. There are millions and millions of whites who have nothing like 450k average household wealth, and plenty of blacks who do. Millions of whites have absolutely nothing.

The existence of the millions of poor whites proves that being poor isn't determined by solely by race. How does a poor black person know that they are poor because they are black, or because of other factors? Millions of non-white immigrants come to this country with nothing, and despite not being white, end up with more than the average black person. So is it race that is the answer to everything or are there many other factors at play too?

I can see why there is anger. But going to Uncle Sam with the begging bowl for the latest version of welfare isn't the answer.

Here is the deal, I don't agree with this $50K plan, it's stupid.

But if you really, really, really believe that black people are not denied an equal education, equal healthcare, equal jobs, equal mortgages, equal access to housing, etc... if you truly don't believe it then you just refuse to listen or you are willfully ignorant.

I'm not going to try to convince you here with a study from Harvard or Duke.

Please just educate yourself. I'm sure you are one of my friends/ neighbors who say the same damn ignorant sh*t, I'm sure deep down you are a "good person".... just educate yourself.

All these are arbitrary claims, just as your statement to "just educate yourself" is. You have decided on your narrative and you don't care about anything that doesn't fit it.

A lot of black Americans face problems, certainly. From what I can tell, it's mostly problems stemming from institutionalized poverty more than race. And there's cultural factors at play. Especially poor urban cultural factors that is disdainful of education, has out of wedlock pregnancies and doesn't marry. These are all more problematic and influential than any of the so called allegations about lack of equal education. No amount of reparations is going to change any of this. But a lot will change if attitudes towards education and child-rearing changes. But no one wants to talk about that, they'd rather blame everything on police violence and demand more freebies from the government.

Perhaps you should educate yourself? But I suspect you don't want to. You'd rather stick to the buzzwords and twitter feeds and and racial mongerers telling you you're owed something instead of having to work for it, everything instead of your own actions, your own behaviors, your own decisions.

Let's talk about your biases. You probably automatically assumed I was white, right? Probably a white woman, aka a Karen, right? But you have no idea where I come from, who I am or my life experience. And that tells me you are to eager to blindly embrace the cliches and stereotypes because you can continue to blame your failures on being disenfranchised instead of your own actions.

Except I have studied this for about 10 years.

I’m not using buzz words and I am a mathematical statistician ... I don’t believe anything I hear on TV because I don’t think talking heads are even smart enough to understand the data.

But you are willfully ignorant and there are actually open minded people that truthfully want to learn and be part of the solution, so I dont really have was time to waste on somebody who bathes in their ignorance with the temperament of a teenager.

I'm sure you "studied" it from the self-selected angry theorists. In less polite times we'd have called it crackpot theorists. I can tell from your failure to defend yourself or to present any compelling data on genuine systematic racism (you can't, because they don't exist), while your response to rebuttals is simply to shriek "you're racist and you don't even see it!". And from the way you continue to ignore all the valid points brought up about factors well outside racism affecting people's inabilities to get ahead with life.

It's quite understandable, of course. It's what happens with people whose identities and self-valuation are so wrapped up in a certain outlook at life, especially one where their identities rests upon being perpetual victims.

I'm a social science professor and I have no idea what this person is talking about. They say they "studied THIS for about 10 years." What is "this"? The person talks about housing, education, mortgages, jobs. It's basically unheard of for one researcher to study all of those things. Also, I don't understand why a mathematical statistician would be doing what sounds like applied research. The mathematical statisticians I trained under spent all their time doing mathematical proofs and calculus, not crunching data, because that's what they do. So, I'm skeptical. More likely just a layperson trying to pass off their opinions as scientific fact.

Okay but most social scientist need a mathematical statistician to run the data and tell them what it says. Social scientist can only study one thing but mathematical statisticians don't need to pigeon hole themselves into one area.

Before that I did cancer, HIV, dementia, cardiac, etc research... many doctors specialize I was the brains behind their theories. So yes, I can research many things but apparently you can't.

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Anonymous wrote:So my understanding of the black/white wealth gap is because there is a huge concentration of wealth among a minority of affluent whites (virtually all the billionaires are white, for example), that can help skew the data greatly.

I don't doubt that there are impoverished blacks and wealthy whites, as we all know, and average white household incomes are higher than the average black household income (but so are average Asian and Hispanic household incomes, yet they aren't white either). However, the way this argument is being conducted is treating all whites as a monolith and all blacks as a monolith. There are millions and millions of whites who have nothing like 450k average household wealth, and plenty of blacks who do. Millions of whites have absolutely nothing.

The existence of the millions of poor whites proves that being poor isn't determined by solely by race. How does a poor black person know that they are poor because they are black, or because of other factors? Millions of non-white immigrants come to this country with nothing, and despite not being white, end up with more than the average black person. So is it race that is the answer to everything or are there many other factors at play too?

I can see why there is anger. But going to Uncle Sam with the begging bowl for the latest version of welfare isn't the answer.

Here is the deal, I don't agree with this $50K plan, it's stupid.

But if you really, really, really believe that black people are not denied an equal education, equal healthcare, equal jobs, equal mortgages, equal access to housing, etc... if you truly don't believe it then you just refuse to listen or you are willfully ignorant.

I'm not going to try to convince you here with a study from Harvard or Duke.

Please just educate yourself. I'm sure you are one of my friends/ neighbors who say the same damn ignorant sh*t, I'm sure deep down you are a "good person".... just educate yourself.

All these are arbitrary claims, just as your statement to "just educate yourself" is. You have decided on your narrative and you don't care about anything that doesn't fit it.

A lot of black Americans face problems, certainly. From what I can tell, it's mostly problems stemming from institutionalized poverty more than race. And there's cultural factors at play. Especially poor urban cultural factors that is disdainful of education, has out of wedlock pregnancies and doesn't marry. These are all more problematic and influential than any of the so called allegations about lack of equal education. No amount of reparations is going to change any of this. But a lot will change if attitudes towards education and child-rearing changes. But no one wants to talk about that, they'd rather blame everything on police violence and demand more freebies from the government.

Perhaps you should educate yourself? But I suspect you don't want to. You'd rather stick to the buzzwords and twitter feeds and and racial mongerers telling you you're owed something instead of having to work for it, everything instead of your own actions, your own behaviors, your own decisions.

Let's talk about your biases. You probably automatically assumed I was white, right? Probably a white woman, aka a Karen, right? But you have no idea where I come from, who I am or my life experience. And that tells me you are to eager to blindly embrace the cliches and stereotypes because you can continue to blame your failures on being disenfranchised instead of your own actions.

Except I have studied this for about 10 years.

I’m not using buzz words and I am a mathematical statistician ... I don’t believe anything I hear on TV because I don’t think talking heads are even smart enough to understand the data.

But you are willfully ignorant and there are actually open minded people that truthfully want to learn and be part of the solution, so I dont really have was time to waste on somebody who bathes in their ignorance with the temperament of a teenager.

I'm sure you "studied" it from the self-selected angry theorists. In less polite times we'd have called it crackpot theorists. I can tell from your failure to defend yourself or to present any compelling data on genuine systematic racism (you can't, because they don't exist), while your response to rebuttals is simply to shriek "you're racist and you don't even see it!". And from the way you continue to ignore all the valid points brought up about factors well outside racism affecting people's inabilities to get ahead with life.

It's quite understandable, of course. It's what happens with people whose identities and self-valuation are so wrapped up in a certain outlook at life, especially one where their identities rests upon being perpetual victims.

I'm a social science professor and I have no idea what this person is talking about. They say they "studied THIS for about 10 years." What is "this"? The person talks about housing, education, mortgages, jobs. It's basically unheard of for one researcher to study all of those things. Also, I don't understand why a mathematical statistician would be doing what sounds like applied research. The mathematical statisticians I trained under spent all their time doing mathematical proofs and calculus, not crunching data, because that's what they do. So, I'm skeptical. More likely just a layperson trying to pass off their opinions as scientific fact.

DP, and I'm the poster who asked about Emmons' regressions. It's perfectly possible to study wealth and have some knowledge of housing, education, etc. In fact you can't study income and wealth gaps without these. S/he probably put the "mathematical" in there to underscore that they're not just some dilettante, but all they mean is that they use math (cross tabs with t-tests, regressions) in their day-to-day work.

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Anonymous wrote:So my understanding of the black/white wealth gap is because there is a huge concentration of wealth among a minority of affluent whites (virtually all the billionaires are white, for example), that can help skew the data greatly.

I don't doubt that there are impoverished blacks and wealthy whites, as we all know, and average white household incomes are higher than the average black household income (but so are average Asian and Hispanic household incomes, yet they aren't white either). However, the way this argument is being conducted is treating all whites as a monolith and all blacks as a monolith. There are millions and millions of whites who have nothing like 450k average household wealth, and plenty of blacks who do. Millions of whites have absolutely nothing.

The existence of the millions of poor whites proves that being poor isn't determined by solely by race. How does a poor black person know that they are poor because they are black, or because of other factors? Millions of non-white immigrants come to this country with nothing, and despite not being white, end up with more than the average black person. So is it race that is the answer to everything or are there many other factors at play too?

I can see why there is anger. But going to Uncle Sam with the begging bowl for the latest version of welfare isn't the answer.

Here is the deal, I don't agree with this $50K plan, it's stupid.

But if you really, really, really believe that black people are not denied an equal education, equal healthcare, equal jobs, equal mortgages, equal access to housing, etc... if you truly don't believe it then you just refuse to listen or you are willfully ignorant.

I'm not going to try to convince you here with a study from Harvard or Duke.

Please just educate yourself. I'm sure you are one of my friends/ neighbors who say the same damn ignorant sh*t, I'm sure deep down you are a "good person".... just educate yourself.

All these are arbitrary claims, just as your statement to "just educate yourself" is. You have decided on your narrative and you don't care about anything that doesn't fit it.

A lot of black Americans face problems, certainly. From what I can tell, it's mostly problems stemming from institutionalized poverty more than race. And there's cultural factors at play. Especially poor urban cultural factors that is disdainful of education, has out of wedlock pregnancies and doesn't marry. These are all more problematic and influential than any of the so called allegations about lack of equal education. No amount of reparations is going to change any of this. But a lot will change if attitudes towards education and child-rearing changes. But no one wants to talk about that, they'd rather blame everything on police violence and demand more freebies from the government.

Perhaps you should educate yourself? But I suspect you don't want to. You'd rather stick to the buzzwords and twitter feeds and and racial mongerers telling you you're owed something instead of having to work for it, everything instead of your own actions, your own behaviors, your own decisions.

Let's talk about your biases. You probably automatically assumed I was white, right? Probably a white woman, aka a Karen, right? But you have no idea where I come from, who I am or my life experience. And that tells me you are to eager to blindly embrace the cliches and stereotypes because you can continue to blame your failures on being disenfranchised instead of your own actions.

DP, you have so many dumb a** assumptions in your reply it is simply amazing. Because you don’t see it or believe it systemic racism does not exist or cause roadblocks. How idiotic. I’m not a trans person but I know there is widespread prejudice against them. I have never been raped but I can see the cultural dysfunctions that make sexual violence a prevalent problem in this country. Telling black folk to work like we don’t. Telling us to get married like we don’t. Tell white folk to stop having babies outside of marriage. Study after study has shown that black fathers are very involved in their children’s lives.
Yes, millions of black folk are lazy and immoral that’s why we have problems .... no racism at all to see we are all just either deluded or lying.
And no one called you Karen.
Telling us

I love it when people resort to Kafka-trapping arguments, ie people who disagree with me are racist. If you admit you are a racist I am right. If you deny that you are a racist, well that proves that I am right, because you are blind to the power structures and your self-conscious.

Everything PP mentioned are valid factors to point out. It's you who want to ignore them. The out of wedlock pregnancies among blacks is staggeringly high (although it's also rising among poor whites too). Studies after studies after studies show one of the biggest differentiators is the stability of a two parent family. We also easily see how this greatly affects average black HHI too.

Why bury your head in the sand that it presents huge problems for poorer African Americans, especially the absence of male role figures in deprived urban areas. You want to pretend it's not an issue and you screech and attack and judge others for pointing it out. You screech about unequal education, but let's go to the urban schools that are predominately African American and look at the attitudes towards education. Too smart? You're acting too white. There's enormous cultural disdain among educational progress among poor urban blacks. But you'd rather ignore that. You'd rather blame everything on institutional racism as the convenient bogeyman and then you screech and attack others for being racist simply for pointing out there are many factors at play and not all of them are tied to institutional racism.

And I know why people want to blame institutional racism. Because it absolves them of the failures of their own behaviors and decisions. It's the easy way out. It's convenient. It allows you to avoid introspection. It allows you to avoid asking too many difficult questions. It allows you to ignore the explosion of black on black murders and crime in places in Baltimore and Chicago. It allows you to look away when young black toddlers are killed by stray bullets in the Chicago wastelands.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Keep trotting out the Fox News , White Supremacy talking points, at least you are consistent.

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Anonymous wrote:Irish were discriminated against when they 1st came and many catholic as are still looked down upon today. I would like reparations for what my family suffered. As well as the Jews who were discriminated against, as well as the Muslims. Honestly, I think we should just hand out free money to everyone because we all have a story.

Don’t like go back to where your people came from. I’ll even buy you a ticket if you promise never to come back. One less whiny racist A hole.

Are you sending all AA back to Africa too every time they complain of discrimination?

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Anonymous wrote:So my understanding of the black/white wealth gap is because there is a huge concentration of wealth among a minority of affluent whites (virtually all the billionaires are white, for example), that can help skew the data greatly.

I don't doubt that there are impoverished blacks and wealthy whites, as we all know, and average white household incomes are higher than the average black household income (but so are average Asian and Hispanic household incomes, yet they aren't white either). However, the way this argument is being conducted is treating all whites as a monolith and all blacks as a monolith. There are millions and millions of whites who have nothing like 450k average household wealth, and plenty of blacks who do. Millions of whites have absolutely nothing.

The existence of the millions of poor whites proves that being poor isn't determined by solely by race. How does a poor black person know that they are poor because they are black, or because of other factors? Millions of non-white immigrants come to this country with nothing, and despite not being white, end up with more than the average black person. So is it race that is the answer to everything or are there many other factors at play too?

I can see why there is anger. But going to Uncle Sam with the begging bowl for the latest version of welfare isn't the answer.

Here is the deal, I don't agree with this $50K plan, it's stupid.

But if you really, really, really believe that black people are not denied an equal education, equal healthcare, equal jobs, equal mortgages, equal access to housing, etc... if you truly don't believe it then you just refuse to listen or you are willfully ignorant.

I'm not going to try to convince you here with a study from Harvard or Duke.

Please just educate yourself. I'm sure you are one of my friends/ neighbors who say the same damn ignorant sh*t, I'm sure deep down you are a "good person".... just educate yourself.

All these are arbitrary claims, just as your statement to "just educate yourself" is. You have decided on your narrative and you don't care about anything that doesn't fit it.

A lot of black Americans face problems, certainly. From what I can tell, it's mostly problems stemming from institutionalized poverty more than race. And there's cultural factors at play. Especially poor urban cultural factors that is disdainful of education, has out of wedlock pregnancies and doesn't marry. These are all more problematic and influential than any of the so called allegations about lack of equal education. No amount of reparations is going to change any of this. But a lot will change if attitudes towards education and child-rearing changes. But no one wants to talk about that, they'd rather blame everything on police violence and demand more freebies from the government.

Perhaps you should educate yourself? But I suspect you don't want to. You'd rather stick to the buzzwords and twitter feeds and and racial mongerers telling you you're owed something instead of having to work for it, everything instead of your own actions, your own behaviors, your own decisions.

Let's talk about your biases. You probably automatically assumed I was white, right? Probably a white woman, aka a Karen, right? But you have no idea where I come from, who I am or my life experience. And that tells me you are to eager to blindly embrace the cliches and stereotypes because you can continue to blame your failures on being disenfranchised instead of your own actions.

Except I have studied this for about 10 years.

I’m not using buzz words and I am a mathematical statistician ... I don’t believe anything I hear on TV because I don’t think talking heads are even smart enough to understand the data.

But you are willfully ignorant and there are actually open minded people that truthfully want to learn and be part of the solution, so I dont really have was time to waste on somebody who bathes in their ignorance with the temperament of a teenager.

I'm sure you "studied" it from the self-selected angry theorists. In less polite times we'd have called it crackpot theorists. I can tell from your failure to defend yourself or to present any compelling data on genuine systematic racism (you can't, because they don't exist), while your response to rebuttals is simply to shriek "you're racist and you don't even see it!". And from the way you continue to ignore all the valid points brought up about factors well outside racism affecting people's inabilities to get ahead with life.

It's quite understandable, of course. It's what happens with people whose identities and self-valuation are so wrapped up in a certain outlook at life, especially one where their identities rests upon being perpetual victims.

I'm a social science professor and I have no idea what this person is talking about. They say they "studied THIS for about 10 years." What is "this"? The person talks about housing, education, mortgages, jobs. It's basically unheard of for one researcher to study all of those things. Also, I don't understand why a mathematical statistician would be doing what sounds like applied research. The mathematical statisticians I trained under spent all their time doing mathematical proofs and calculus, not crunching data, because that's what they do. So, I'm skeptical. More likely just a layperson trying to pass off their opinions as scientific fact.

DP, and I'm the poster who asked about Emmons' regressions. It's perfectly possible to study wealth and have some knowledge of housing, education, etc. In fact you can't study income and wealth gaps without these. S/he probably put the "mathematical" in there to underscore that they're not just some dilettante, but all they mean is that they use math (cross tabs with t-tests, regressions) in their day-to-day work.

PP again and I'm wrong. PP probably works at a university or NIST or some such place.

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Anonymous wrote:Here you go https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4850739/

Black households are much more likely to be headed by a single female warmer versus white households are more likely to be two earner which explains some differences in HH wealth.

But this is a personal choice, right? As well as to have children or not to have, to have one child or 5...Marriage is a hard work and not everyone wants to work hard.

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Anonymous wrote:The fascinating thing about all this is that "white" America is rapidly declining as a share of the population and the country rapidly diversifying. I think the reason why the racial, or rather, black racial issues, have become so intensified and bitter in recent years is that the old argument of blaming all their problems on racism has gotten harder when at the same time tens of millions non-whites have immigrated to the United States and in that time, despite not being white, have outperformed black America, and many have even outperformed white America. This substantially weakens the old racial arguments.

That's why it's shifted away from personal, direct individual racism to institutional racism. 50 years ago the racial argument was based on too many individual racists, teachers, employers, politicians, neighbors, being racist, and that to fight racism you had to combat the racists populating the institutions through educating them, and welcoming blacks into the institutions. But flash forward 50 years of Affirmative Action and a white population that is incredibly more tolerant and race blind, and (which is often ignored these days) a flourishing black middle class and many more blacks in leadership position, so many of the problems facing particularly poorer blacks remain. Blacks continue to commit disproportionate amounts of crime and urban deprived neighborhoods remain disproportionately black.

Now the blame for the problems is shifting, not to any individual responsibility, but to a focus on "institutional racism," calling for racism within the framework of American society and American institutions rather than the individuals, and by making it institutional, the proponents override all the current racial tolerance and diversity and affirmative action programs to reach back to the past as an excuse for today's behavior. That's why if Hispanic gang members shoot each other, it's not racism, but when black gang members shoot each other, it's racism. That's why poor white people in places of generational poverty, such as rural America and Appalachia, are not absolved of their poverty, and even openly mocked and trashed, but poor blacks in inner cities are absolved of any responsibilities for their poverty and it's racist to make fun of their cultural behaviors.

I do see and understand why. A focus on blaming "institutional" racism of the past to present allows people to avoid looking at other things more close to home and provides an easy scrapegoat for angers and frustrations.

But ultimately, I suspect it won't go much beyond severely worsening many things. And, ironically, it is still going to the white man with a begging bowl.

No quotes needed for the institutional in institutional racism. It is in fact very real. The US racial caste system puts Black descendants of slavery and Native Americans at the lowest ranks below non-white immigrants. The failure of people like you to acknowledge it, allows it to continue. There are also systems that keep people impoverished which often overlap with race, but that doesn't change the fact that the biggest predictor of how much lifetime wealth you will accumulate is race. A white high school dropout earns more than a black college grad because institutions protect white mediocrity by deferring black opportunity.

How does it put them below if they have the following that immigrants don't have:

- they speak fluent English (most of the immigrants come here either without speaking any English or with a very poor English)
- they was offered free English grammar education for 12 years (all the immigrants can hope is free ESL classes in a local library at the large urban areas)
- they have family support (sometimes extensive family with grandparents, siblings, aunts and anckles)
- they have legal status to work
- they have Affirmative Action to go to college
- they can join military (for some immigrants this is not an option)
- if they are poor, they are eligible for financial aid in college (immigrants don't )
- they can drive (a lot of immigrants moving from big cities or rural areas never drove)

All the listed above put blacks way above any white or non-white immigrant at the starting point.

We don’t have the white skin that makes everything 1000x easier. You have no idea how it is to be looked down upon and treated less than because of your skin color. You don’t understand this because you have never lived this. And I say this as someone who came from a middle class upbringing with two college educated parents. I Ak college educated and have an advanced degree, and even I feel the discrimination. And have felt this all of my life. Education doesn’t make the racism we feel go away. Being gainfully employed and raising our kids in the suburbs doesn’t make it go away. The IT being my black skin.

And stop acting like poor whites don’t qualify for financial aid, TANF/SNAP. They qualify and receive it. They also can join the military, have a legal work status and have family support.

Nope, if you are an immigrant, you are not illegible for most of the benefits you listed; colleges rarely give scholarships to the foreigners and in some instances, you cannot join military unless you give ip your country citizenship ( which is also not an option for a lot of immigrants). If you moved here alone, you have zero family on this continent, so no family support at all. You see how privileged you are that you dont even recognizing the struggles of people of other skin color?

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Anonymous wrote:Irish were discriminated against when they 1st came and many catholic as are still looked down upon today. I would like reparations for what my family suffered. As well as the Jews who were discriminated against, as well as the Muslims. Honestly, I think we should just hand out free money to everyone because we all have a story.

Did they bomb your city? Did you get a higher mortgage rate due to your Irishness.

Do people not hire you when they see O'Reilly?

Maybe you should go back to your country.

I am not Irish, but also an immigrant from Middle East. Yes, i have to pay a higher mortgage rate because of the lack of credit history. My last name is difficult to pronounce for Americans so i am pretty sure my resume was tossed out several times because of my name.

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Anonymous wrote:The fascinating thing about all this is that "white" America is rapidly declining as a share of the population and the country rapidly diversifying. I think the reason why the racial, or rather, black racial issues, have become so intensified and bitter in recent years is that the old argument of blaming all their problems on racism has gotten harder when at the same time tens of millions non-whites have immigrated to the United States and in that time, despite not being white, have outperformed black America, and many have even outperformed white America. This substantially weakens the old racial arguments.

That's why it's shifted away from personal, direct individual racism to institutional racism. 50 years ago the racial argument was based on too many individual racists, teachers, employers, politicians, neighbors, being racist, and that to fight racism you had to combat the racists populating the institutions through educating them, and welcoming blacks into the institutions. But flash forward 50 years of Affirmative Action and a white population that is incredibly more tolerant and race blind, and (which is often ignored these days) a flourishing black middle class and many more blacks in leadership position, so many of the problems facing particularly poorer blacks remain. Blacks continue to commit disproportionate amounts of crime and urban deprived neighborhoods remain disproportionately black.

Now the blame for the problems is shifting, not to any individual responsibility, but to a focus on "institutional racism," calling for racism within the framework of American society and American institutions rather than the individuals, and by making it institutional, the proponents override all the current racial tolerance and diversity and affirmative action programs to reach back to the past as an excuse for today's behavior. That's why if Hispanic gang members shoot each other, it's not racism, but when black gang members shoot each other, it's racism. That's why poor white people in places of generational poverty, such as rural America and Appalachia, are not absolved of their poverty, and even openly mocked and trashed, but poor blacks in inner cities are absolved of any responsibilities for their poverty and it's racist to make fun of their cultural behaviors.

I do see and understand why. A focus on blaming "institutional" racism of the past to present allows people to avoid looking at other things more close to home and provides an easy scrapegoat for angers and frustrations.

But ultimately, I suspect it won't go much beyond severely worsening many things. And, ironically, it is still going to the white man with a begging bowl.

No quotes needed for the institutional in institutional racism. It is in fact very real. The US racial caste system puts Black descendants of slavery and Native Americans at the lowest ranks below non-white immigrants. The failure of people like you to acknowledge it, allows it to continue. There are also systems that keep people impoverished which often overlap with race, but that doesn't change the fact that the biggest predictor of how much lifetime wealth you will accumulate is race. A white high school dropout earns more than a black college grad because institutions protect white mediocrity by deferring black opportunity.

How does it put them below if they have the following that immigrants don't have:

- they speak fluent English (most of the immigrants come here either without speaking any English or with a very poor English)
- they was offered free English grammar education for 12 years (all the immigrants can hope is free ESL classes in a local library at the large urban areas)
- they have family support (sometimes extensive family with grandparents, siblings, aunts and anckles)
- they have legal status to work
- they have Affirmative Action to go to college
- they can join military (for some immigrants this is not an option)
- if they are poor, they are eligible for financial aid in college (immigrants don't )
- they can drive (a lot of immigrants moving from big cities or rural areas never drove)

All the listed above put blacks way above any white or non-white immigrant at the starting point.

We don’t have the white skin that makes everything 1000x easier. You have no idea how it is to be looked down upon and treated less than because of your skin color. You don’t understand this because you have never lived this. And I say this as someone who came from a middle class upbringing with two college educated parents. I Ak college educated and have an advanced degree, and even I feel the discrimination. And have felt this all of my life. Education doesn’t make the racism we feel go away. Being gainfully employed and raising our kids in the suburbs doesn’t make it go away. The IT being my black skin.

And stop acting like poor whites don’t qualify for financial aid, TANF/SNAP. They qualify and receive it. They also can join the military, have a legal work status and have family support.

Nope, if you are an immigrant, you are not illegible for most of the benefits you listed; colleges rarely give scholarships to the foreigners and in some instances, you cannot join military unless you give ip your country citizenship ( which is also not an option for a lot of immigrants). If you moved here alone, you have zero family on this continent, so no family support at all. You see how privileged you are that you dont even recognizing the struggles of people of other skin color?

Not getting a scholarship does not prevent one from go to college.
Not joining the military does not prevent one from employment.
Chosing to move to a country with zero family support is a choice.
These "struggles" have absolutely nothing to do with skin color and one is self-imposed.

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Great idea. Restrict to educational uses until age 30 or something.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. $50,000 for each poor baby. What could possibly go wrong?

LOL 50,000 in mortgage interest deductions in only 5 years. What could possibly go wrong?

Well, one incentivizes a purchase of a permanent home for a family, the other incentivizes cranking out additional babies when you're poor. What am I missing?

A lot, if you're with any seriousness trying to frame this as a question of morals.

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This is by in large why the wealth gap exists.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. $50,000 for each poor baby. What could possibly go wrong?

LOL 50,000 in mortgage interest deductions in only 5 years. What could possibly go wrong?

Well, one incentivizes a purchase of a permanent home for a family, the other incentivizes cranking out additional babies when you're poor. What am I missing?

A lot, if you're with any seriousness trying to frame this as a question of morals.

Care to elaborate? And no, I’m framing it terms of economics and what makes for a stronger country, not some subjective sense of morality.