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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So my understanding of the black/white wealth gap is because there is a huge concentration of wealth among a minority of affluent whites (virtually all the billionaires are white, for example), that can help skew the data greatly.

I don't doubt that there are impoverished blacks and wealthy whites, as we all know, and average white household incomes are higher than the average black household income (but so are average Asian and Hispanic household incomes, yet they aren't white either). However, the way this argument is being conducted is treating all whites as a monolith and all blacks as a monolith. There are millions and millions of whites who have nothing like 450k average household wealth, and plenty of blacks who do. Millions of whites have absolutely nothing.

The existence of the millions of poor whites proves that being poor isn't determined by solely by race. How does a poor black person know that they are poor because they are black, or because of other factors? Millions of non-white immigrants come to this country with nothing, and despite not being white, end up with more than the average black person. So is it race that is the answer to everything or are there many other factors at play too?

I can see why there is anger. But going to Uncle Sam with the begging bowl for the latest version of welfare isn't the answer. [/quote]

Here is the deal, I don't agree with this $50K plan, it's stupid.

But if you really, really, really believe that black people are not denied an equal education, equal healthcare, equal jobs, equal mortgages, equal access to housing, etc... if you truly don't believe it then you just refuse to listen or you are willfully ignorant.

I'm not going to try to convince you here with a study from Harvard or Duke.

Please just educate yourself. I'm sure you are one of my friends/ neighbors who say the same damn ignorant sh*t, I'm sure deep down you are a "good person".... just educate yourself. [/quote]

All these are arbitrary claims, just as your statement to "just educate yourself" is. You have decided on your narrative and you don't care about anything that doesn't fit it.

A lot of black Americans face problems, certainly. From what I can tell, it's mostly problems stemming from institutionalized poverty more than race. And there's cultural factors at play. Especially poor urban cultural factors that is disdainful of education, has out of wedlock pregnancies and doesn't marry. These are all more problematic and influential than any of the so called allegations about lack of equal education. No amount of reparations is going to change any of this. But a lot will change if attitudes towards education and child-rearing changes. But no one wants to talk about that, they'd rather blame everything on police violence and demand more freebies from the government.

Perhaps you should educate yourself? But I suspect you don't want to. You'd rather stick to the buzzwords and twitter feeds and and racial mongerers telling you you're owed something instead of having to work for it, everything instead of your own actions, your own behaviors, your own decisions.

Let's talk about your biases. You probably automatically assumed I was white, right? Probably a white woman, aka a Karen, right? But you have no idea where I come from, who I am or my life experience. And that tells me you are to eager to blindly embrace the cliches and stereotypes because you can continue to blame your failures on being disenfranchised instead of your own actions.

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Except I have studied this for about 10 years.

I’m not using buzz words and I am a mathematical statistician ... I don’t believe anything I hear on TV because I don’t think talking heads are even smart enough to understand the data.

But you are willfully ignorant and there are actually open minded people that truthfully want to learn and be part of the solution, so I dont really have was time to waste on somebody who bathes  in their ignorance with the temperament of a teenager.[/quote]

I'm sure you "studied" it from the self-selected angry theorists. In less polite times we'd have called it crackpot theorists. I can tell from your failure to defend yourself or to present any compelling data on genuine systematic racism (you can't, because they don't exist), while your response to rebuttals is simply to shriek "you're racist and you don't even see it!". And from the way you continue to ignore all the valid points brought up about factors well outside racism affecting people's inabilities to get ahead with life.

It's quite understandable, of course. It's what happens with people whose identities and self-valuation are so wrapped up in a certain outlook at life, especially one where their identities rests upon being perpetual victims.

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I'm a social science professor and I have no idea what this person is talking about. They say they "studied THIS for about 10 years." What is "this"? The person talks about housing, education, mortgages, jobs. It's basically unheard of for one researcher to study all of those things. Also, I don't understand why a mathematical statistician would be doing what sounds like applied research. The mathematical statisticians I trained under spent all their time doing mathematical proofs and calculus, not crunching data, because that's what they do. So, I'm skeptical. More likely just a layperson trying to pass off their opinions as scientific fact. [/quote]

DP, and I'm the poster who asked about Emmons' regressions. It's perfectly possible to study wealth and have some knowledge of housing, education, etc. In fact you can't study income and wealth gaps without these. S/he probably put the "mathematical" in there to underscore that they're not just some dilettante, but all they mean is that they use math (cross tabs with t-tests, regressions) in their day-to-day work.[/quote]

PP again and I'm wrong. PP probably works at a university or NIST or some such place.[/quote]

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