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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The fascinating thing about all this is that "white" America is rapidly declining as a share of the population and the country rapidly diversifying. I think the reason why the racial, or rather, black racial issues, have become so intensified and bitter in recent years is that the old argument of blaming all their problems on racism has gotten harder when at the same time tens of millions non-whites have immigrated to the United States and in that time, despite not being white, have outperformed black America, and many have even outperformed white America. This substantially weakens the old racial arguments.

That's why it's shifted away from personal, direct individual racism to institutional racism. 50 years ago the racial argument was based on too many individual racists, teachers, employers, politicians, neighbors, being racist, and that to fight racism you had to combat the racists populating the institutions through educating them, and welcoming blacks into the institutions. But flash forward 50 years of Affirmative Action and a white population that is incredibly more tolerant and race blind, and (which is often ignored these days) a flourishing black middle class and many more blacks in leadership position, so many of the problems facing particularly poorer blacks remain. Blacks continue to commit disproportionate amounts of crime and urban deprived neighborhoods remain disproportionately black.

Now the blame for the problems is shifting, not to any individual responsibility, but to a focus on "institutional racism," calling for racism within the framework of American society and American institutions rather than the individuals, and by making it institutional, the proponents override all the current racial tolerance and diversity and affirmative action programs to reach back to the past as an excuse for today's behavior. That's why if Hispanic gang members shoot each other, it's not racism, but when black gang members shoot each other, it's racism. That's why poor white people in places of generational poverty, such as rural America and Appalachia, are not absolved of their poverty, and even openly mocked and trashed, but poor blacks in inner cities are absolved of any responsibilities for their poverty and it's racist to make fun of their cultural behaviors.

I do see and understand why. A focus on blaming "institutional" racism of the past to present allows people to avoid looking at other things more close to home and provides an easy scrapegoat for angers and frustrations.

But ultimately, I suspect it won't go much beyond severely worsening many things. And, ironically, it is still going to the white man with a begging bowl.

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No quotes needed for the institutional in institutional racism. It is in fact very real. The US racial caste system puts Black descendants of slavery and Native Americans [b]at the lowest ranks below non-white immigrants[/b]. The failure of people like you to acknowledge it, allows it to continue. There are also systems that keep people impoverished which often overlap with race, but that doesn't change the fact that the biggest predictor of how much lifetime wealth you will accumulate is race. A white high school dropout earns more than a black college grad because institutions protect white mediocrity by deferring black opportunity.[/quote]

How does it put them below if they have the following that immigrants don't have:

- they speak fluent English (most of the immigrants come here either without speaking any English or with a very poor English)
- they was offered free English grammar education for 12 years (all the immigrants can hope is free ESL classes in a local library at the large urban areas)
- they have family support (sometimes extensive family with grandparents, siblings, aunts and anckles)
- they have legal status to work
- they have Affirmative Action to go to college
- they can join military (for some immigrants this is not an option)
- if they are poor, they are eligible for financial aid in college (immigrants don't )
- they can drive (a lot of immigrants moving from big cities or rural areas never drove)

All the listed above put blacks way above any white or non-white immigrant at the starting point. [/quote]
We don’t have the white skin that makes everything 1000x easier. You have no idea how it is to be looked down upon and treated less than because of your skin color. You don’t understand this because you have never lived this. And I say this as someone who came from a middle class upbringing with two college educated parents. I Ak college educated and have an advanced degree, and even I feel the discrimination. And have felt this all of my life. Education doesn’t make the racism we feel go away. Being gainfully employed and raising our kids in the suburbs doesn’t make it go away. The IT being my black skin.

And stop acting like poor whites don’t qualify for financial aid, TANF/SNAP. They qualify and receive it. They also can join the military, have a legal work status  and have family support. [/quote]

Nope, if you are an immigrant, you are not illegible for most of the benefits you listed; colleges rarely give scholarships to the foreigners and in some instances, you cannot join military unless you give ip your country citizenship ( which is also not an option for a lot of immigrants). If you moved here alone, you have zero family on this continent, so no family support at all. You see how privileged you are that you dont even recognizing the struggles of people of other skin color?[/quote]

Not getting a scholarship does not prevent one from go to college.
Not joining the military does not prevent one from employment.
Chosing to move to a country with zero family support is a choice.
These "struggles" have absolutely nothing to do with skin color and one is self-imposed.[/quote]

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