I think not. And that is not a good thing for this country. The fact that so many people knew about Trump's Ukraine "diplomacy", quietly observing that it was morally wrong and a threat to national security but doing NOTHING to stop it is disturbing. |
What's fishy is why you are obsessed with firsthand information, but seem intent on learning about current events third-hand. Do yourself a favor. Google it so at least your source is second-hand. |
Anyone?? |
Well we know Bolton didn't do "nothing" -- he allowed the payments to Ukraine to go through, and then resigned a week later, right? If he did that against Trump's wishes, then that is something. |
I did Google this question, and came up blank. (For the record, I am not the annoying 'where's the first hand evidence" poster. I'm the poster who has been repeating "the whistleblower did everything correctly".) However, in response to the annoying 'where's the firsthand evidence poster" someone posted that there HAvE been people with firsthand evidence who attempted to report it, but they were rebuffed. I am just asking that person to share who that was. They came back with the CIA IG, but she didn't have firsthand evidence. I *think* the person stating that people with first hand evidence have tried to report but have been rebuffed is incorrect. I did try to find examples of that happening, but have failed to do so. If it were public knowledge, either I would have found it, or someone here would have posted it. It's OK to say "Sorry, I was wrong about that". Telling me to Google it myself isn't very useful. If you have information, share it. |
The people with firsthand knowledge—Hill, Sondland, Taylor—are coming forward now!
Are you asking why they didn’t come forward earlier? I have no idea, but I’m not sure what you think it proves. |
I don’t think I could be any clearer about what I am asking. Someone (not me) asked why people with firsthand knowledge didn’t report it. Someone responded “they did report it; it was squashed” The example given was the CIA IG . But she did not have firsthand information. My question is to the person who said “they did report it; it was squashed”: did you just make a mistake? Or did someone with firsthand information make a report and it was squashed? |
Please stop. You're completely ignoring the reply I made a couple of days ago, copied below. Fiona Hill and Vindman both testified they reported their concerns, and Eisenberg did nothing. I believe the State Dept people did too, but I don't have time to find that right now. And the WB himself first went to the CIA General Counsel who sent a criminal referral to DOJ, which also was squashed. ******* In July, Fiona Hill went to Eisenberg on Bolton's orders after the meeting with Ukrainians in the WH:
https://www.businessinsider.com/fiona-hill-testimony-details-stunning-meeting-john-bolton-stormed-out-2019-11 Lt Col Vindman went to Eisenberg after the phone call:
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/01/white-house-vindman-ukraine-call-063892 The whistleblower went to the CIA lawyer first and when she passed along the concerns about the phone call to Eisenberg and made a criminal referral to DOJ. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/who-is-whistleblower.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/cia-s-top-lawyer-made-criminal-referral-whistleblower-s-complaint-n1062481 |
Why does it matter, if these people are coming forward now? |
Crickets. |
(Third time I'm posting my response in this thread. Also, I was reminded today that Tim Morrison from the NSC also reported his concerns about the phone call to the NSC counsel.) Please stop. You're completely ignoring the reply I made a couple of days ago, copied below. Fiona Hill and Vindman both testified they reported their concerns, and Eisenberg did nothing. I believe the State Dept people did too, but I don't have time to find that right now. And the WB himself first went to the CIA General Counsel who sent a criminal referral to DOJ, which also was squashed. ******* In July, Fiona Hill went to Eisenberg on Bolton's orders after the meeting with Ukrainians in the WH:
https://www.businessinsider.com/fiona-hill-testimony-details-stunning-meeting-john-bolton-stormed-out-2019-11 Lt Col Vindman went to Eisenberg after the phone call:
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/01/white-house-vindman-ukraine-call-063892 The whistleblower went to the CIA lawyer first and when she passed along the concerns about the phone call to Eisenberg and made a criminal referral to DOJ. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/who-is-whistleblower.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/cia-s-top-lawyer-made-criminal-referral-whistleblower-s-complaint-n1062481 |
Did you miss 9:29 and the prior answers too? |
Exactly. |