Takoma Park MS Magnet - 25 inbound seats?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its not a very compelling argument to say that TPMS can't handle another 25 kids per grade. Especially in light of how MCPS goes so far over capacity in all their schools. You're grasping at straws with that one.

Someone upthread mentioned that these set aside seats have been a fluffy historical artifact for years that no one really knew or cared about in the past. The seats enticed a few residents to come back into the system from private school or gave an inbound UMC white kid a chance to work above their level.

Things have changed and now its time to let them go.

If 75 in-boundary kids moved into the neighborhood, the school would adjust (e.g, add portables, etc.) to accommodate population growth. However, there is no reason for MCPS to add 75 out of boundary kids to go over the building capacity that is already over enrollment just to expand the magnet. As others have posted above, if they get rid of the 25 set aside seats, they are not going to increase the overall magnet seats. They will keep the number of seats at 100 and the TP kids will just compete with the rest of the down county kids.

[Anonymous]

So now you are assuming that not even one inbound TPMS student will be able to qualify to get in if they have to compete with anyone outside of inbound TPMS?

I guess when they have easy seats and don't have to compete within anyone , they are all secret geniuses. If they have to compete with everyone then since their genius level is so secret they won't score high enough to get in. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not a very compelling argument to say that TPMS can't handle another 25 kids per grade. Especially in light of how MCPS goes so far over capacity in all their schools. You're grasping at straws with that one.

Someone upthread mentioned that these set aside seats have been a fluffy historical artifact for years that no one really knew or cared about in the past. The seats enticed a few residents to come back into the system from private school or gave an inbound UMC white kid a chance to work above their level.

Things have changed and now its time to let them go.

If 75 in-boundary kids moved into the neighborhood, the school would adjust (e.g, add portables, etc.) to accommodate population growth. However, there is no reason for MCPS to add 75 out of boundary kids to go over the building capacity that is already over enrollment just to expand the magnet. As others have posted above, if they get rid of the 25 set aside seats, they are not going to increase the overall magnet seats. They will keep the number of seats at 100 and the TP kids will just compete with the rest of the down county kids.

So? The result would be less seats - not a lot less but there will be no more complaints about TP in-bound kids being given an advantage.
It I were MCPS I would do it just to have less trouble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not a very compelling argument to say that TPMS can't handle another 25 kids per grade. Especially in light of how MCPS goes so far over capacity in all their schools. You're grasping at straws with that one.

Someone upthread mentioned that these set aside seats have been a fluffy historical artifact for years that no one really knew or cared about in the past. The seats enticed a few residents to come back into the system from private school or gave an inbound UMC white kid a chance to work above their level.

Things have changed and now its time to let them go.

If 75 in-boundary kids moved into the neighborhood, the school would adjust (e.g, add portables, etc.) to accommodate population growth. However, there is no reason for MCPS to add 75 out of boundary kids to go over the building capacity that is already over enrollment just to expand the magnet. As others have posted above, if they get rid of the 25 set aside seats, they are not going to increase the overall magnet seats. They will keep the number of seats at 100 and the TP kids will just compete with the rest of the down county kids.

The problem is if they let the in-boundary kids compete there won't be any seats left for out of boundary kids and then you'll never hear the end of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not a very compelling argument to say that TPMS can't handle another 25 kids per grade. Especially in light of how MCPS goes so far over capacity in all their schools. You're grasping at straws with that one.

Someone upthread mentioned that these set aside seats have been a fluffy historical artifact for years that no one really knew or cared about in the past. The seats enticed a few residents to come back into the system from private school or gave an inbound UMC white kid a chance to work above their level.

Things have changed and now its time to let them go.

If 75 in-boundary kids moved into the neighborhood, the school would adjust (e.g, add portables, etc.) to accommodate population growth. However, there is no reason for MCPS to add 75 out of boundary kids to go over the building capacity that is already over enrollment just to expand the magnet. As others have posted above, if they get rid of the 25 set aside seats, they are not going to increase the overall magnet seats. They will keep the number of seats at 100 and the TP kids will just compete with the rest of the down county kids.

The problem is if they let the in-boundary kids compete there won't be any seats left for out of boundary kids and then you'll never hear the end of it.

True since everyone knows smart parents who value their child's education buy in the TKPK school cluster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not a very compelling argument to say that TPMS can't handle another 25 kids per grade. Especially in light of how MCPS goes so far over capacity in all their schools. You're grasping at straws with that one.

Someone upthread mentioned that these set aside seats have been a fluffy historical artifact for years that no one really knew or cared about in the past. The seats enticed a few residents to come back into the system from private school or gave an inbound UMC white kid a chance to work above their level.

Things have changed and now its time to let them go.

If 75 in-boundary kids moved into the neighborhood, the school would adjust (e.g, add portables, etc.) to accommodate population growth. However, there is no reason for MCPS to add 75 out of boundary kids to go over the building capacity that is already over enrollment just to expand the magnet. As others have posted above, if they get rid of the 25 set aside seats, they are not going to increase the overall magnet seats. They will keep the number of seats at 100 and the TP kids will just compete with the rest of the down county kids.

So? The result would be less seats - not a lot less but there will be no more complaints about TP in-bound kids being given an advantage.
It I were MCPS I would do it just to have less trouble.

Hmm, so you're saying because you've parked yourself on this thread trolling rational people to responding to you over and over, this program is too much trouble for MCPS? When I went to the TPMS info sessions, the coordinator clearly explained the set aside to a packed house and there were absolutely no questions or complaints from parents. Other than that I've only heard it brought up on DCUM, and even when it's brought up here it usually doesn't drag on like this thread has. No I don't think MCPS will be changing any policies just because *you* have a new hobby.

[Anonymous]

The TPMS parent vehemently trying to defend her entitlement to easy set aside seats is really shooting herself in the foot.

An addition 20 inbound TPMS student who perform at or above grade level can easily be absorbed into the general program. Its the increase in kids with learning disabilities or who are performing several grade levels behind and need to be in collaborative or lower ratio classes that create more os a strain on staffing levels.

Parents don't realize that there is a cut off in all advanced classes that doesn't always correlate with who can do the work. Many of the inbound TPMS students are better suited to the advanced track in the general program. By pulling them away, there are fewer advanced track classes. If they go into the general program then more non advanced track classes can flip to advanced which will open the door to kids who are in on grade level math but could move up if there were more peers available.

From a score standpoint, the overall growth at TPMS, like most schools in MCPS, is coming from kids who are performing below grade level and achieving lower scores. Making all 75 seats open to the entire potential applicant pool and accepting the top performers or outliers while keeping the inbound TPMS students that score high but not as well in the general program helps offset the shifting % of students toward lower performance.

There is no way that allowing the inbound seats to predominantly go to white kids that score lower than OOB minorities is going to hold up with a federal investigation into discrimination. One of the easy remedies to save the program from being shut down altogether is to allow those seats not to be hoarded by white families with lower scoring kids but to be competed fairly throughout the county.

[Anonymous]

It is nuts that the same bitter t-mom whose kid was rejected from TPMS keeps posting the same unintelligible drivel over and over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The TPMS parent vehemently trying to defend her entitlement to easy set aside seats is really shooting herself in the foot.

An addition 20 inbound TPMS student who perform at or above grade level can easily be absorbed into the general program. Its the increase in kids with learning disabilities or who are performing several grade levels behind and need to be in collaborative or lower ratio classes that create more os a strain on staffing levels.

Parents don't realize that there is a cut off in all advanced classes that doesn't always correlate with who can do the work. Many of the inbound TPMS students are better suited to the advanced track in the general program. By pulling them away, there are fewer advanced track classes. If they go into the general program then more non advanced track classes can flip to advanced which will open the door to kids who are in on grade level math but could move up if there were more peers available.

From a score standpoint, the overall growth at TPMS, like most schools in MCPS, is coming from kids who are performing below grade level and achieving lower scores. Making all 75 seats open to the entire potential applicant pool and accepting the top performers or outliers while keeping the inbound TPMS students that score high but not as well in the general program helps offset the shifting % of students toward lower performance.

There is no way that allowing the inbound seats to predominantly go to white kids that score lower than OOB minorities is going to hold up with a federal investigation into discrimination. One of the easy remedies to save the program from being shut down altogether is to allow those seats not to be hoarded by white families with lower scoring kids but to be competed fairly throughout the county.

There is so much wrong here, the whole post needs to be bolded. Please stop with the unsubstantiated assumptions. I am guessing you have no experience with TPMS, magnet or non-magnet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:True since everyone knows smart parents who value their child's education buy in the TKPK school cluster.

if only someone had told the sour grapes mom whose keeps posting over and over

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not a very compelling argument to say that TPMS can't handle another 25 kids per grade. Especially in light of how MCPS goes so far over capacity in all their schools. You're grasping at straws with that one.

Someone upthread mentioned that these set aside seats have been a fluffy historical artifact for years that no one really knew or cared about in the past. The seats enticed a few residents to come back into the system from private school or gave an inbound UMC white kid a chance to work above their level.

Things have changed and now its time to let them go.

If 75 in-boundary kids moved into the neighborhood, the school would adjust (e.g, add portables, etc.) to accommodate population growth. However, there is no reason for MCPS to add 75 out of boundary kids to go over the building capacity that is already over enrollment just to expand the magnet. As others have posted above, if they get rid of the 25 set aside seats, they are not going to increase the overall magnet seats. They will keep the number of seats at 100 and the TP kids will just compete with the rest of the down county kids.

So? The result would be less seats - not a lot less but there will be no more complaints about TP in-bound kids being given an advantage.
It I were MCPS I would do it just to have less trouble.

Hmm, so you're saying because you've parked yourself on this thread trolling rational people to responding to you over and over, this program is too much trouble for MCPS? When I went to the TPMS info sessions, the coordinator clearly explained the set aside to a packed house and there were absolutely no questions or complaints from parents. Other than that I've only heard it brought up on DCUM, and even when it's brought up here it usually doesn't drag on like this thread has. No I don't think MCPS will be changing any policies just because *you* have a new hobby.

"over and over"? Are you kidding?

People do make mistakes. Here sometimes people mistake one poster for another, that happens.
But rational people understand that possibility and would not make statements purely based on their imaginations like you just did.

It makes people wander really how you make a judgement?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its not a very compelling argument to say that TPMS can't handle another 25 kids per grade. Especially in light of how MCPS goes so far over capacity in all their schools. You're grasping at straws with that one.

Someone upthread mentioned that these set aside seats have been a fluffy historical artifact for years that no one really knew or cared about in the past. The seats enticed a few residents to come back into the system from private school or gave an inbound UMC white kid a chance to work above their level.

Things have changed and now its time to let them go.

If 75 in-boundary kids moved into the neighborhood, the school would adjust (e.g, add portables, etc.) to accommodate population growth. However, there is no reason for MCPS to add 75 out of boundary kids to go over the building capacity that is already over enrollment just to expand the magnet. As others have posted above, if they get rid of the 25 set aside seats, they are not going to increase the overall magnet seats. They will keep the number of seats at 100 and the TP kids will just compete with the rest of the down county kids.

So? The result would be less seats - not a lot less but there will be no more complaints about TP in-bound kids being given an advantage.
It I were MCPS I would do it just to have less trouble.

Hmm, so you're saying because you've parked yourself on this thread trolling rational people to responding to you over and over, this program is too much trouble for MCPS? When I went to the TPMS info sessions, the coordinator clearly explained the set aside to a packed house and there were absolutely no questions or complaints from parents. Other than that I've only heard it brought up on DCUM, and even when it's brought up here it usually doesn't drag on like this thread has. No I don't think MCPS will be changing any policies just because *you* have a new hobby.

"over and over"? Are you kidding?

People do make mistakes. Here sometimes people mistake one poster for another, that happens.
But rational people understand that possibility and would not make statements purely based on their imaginations like you just did.

It makes people wander really how you make a judgement?

No one's mistaken. Wander off dear...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:True since everyone knows smart parents who value their child's education buy in the TKPK school cluster.

if only someone had told the sour grapes mom whose keeps posting over and over

It's definitely the same poster with the same flawed assumptions over and over and over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The TPMS parent vehemently trying to defend her entitlement to easy set aside seats is really shooting herself in the foot.

An addition 20 inbound TPMS student who perform at or above grade level can easily be absorbed into the general program. Its the increase in kids with learning disabilities or who are performing several grade levels behind and need to be in collaborative or lower ratio classes that create more os a strain on staffing levels.

Parents don't realize that there is a cut off in all advanced classes that doesn't always correlate with who can do the work. Many of the inbound TPMS students are better suited to the advanced track in the general program. By pulling them away, there are fewer advanced track classes. If they go into the general program then more non advanced track classes can flip to advanced which will open the door to kids who are in on grade level math but could move up if there were more peers available.

From a score standpoint, the overall growth at TPMS, like most schools in MCPS, is coming from kids who are performing below grade level and achieving lower scores. Making all 75 seats open to the entire potential applicant pool and accepting the top performers or outliers while keeping the inbound TPMS students that score high but not as well in the general program helps offset the shifting % of students toward lower performance.

There is no way that allowing the inbound seats to predominantly go to white kids that score lower than OOB minorities is going to hold up with a federal investigation into discrimination. One of the easy remedies to save the program from being shut down altogether is to allow those seats not to be hoarded by white families with lower scoring kids but to be competed fairly throughout the county.


There is so much wrong here, the whole post needs to be bolded. Please stop with the unsubstantiated assumptions. I am guessing you have no experience with TPMS, magnet or non-magnet.

Actually it is pretty spot on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The TPMS parent vehemently trying to defend her entitlement to easy set aside seats is really shooting herself in the foot.

An addition 20 inbound TPMS student who perform at or above grade level can easily be absorbed into the general program. Its the increase in kids with learning disabilities or who are performing several grade levels behind and need to be in collaborative or lower ratio classes that create more os a strain on staffing levels.

Parents don't realize that there is a cut off in all advanced classes that doesn't always correlate with who can do the work. Many of the inbound TPMS students are better suited to the advanced track in the general program. By pulling them away, there are fewer advanced track classes. If they go into the general program then more non advanced track classes can flip to advanced which will open the door to kids who are in on grade level math but could move up if there were more peers available.

From a score standpoint, the overall growth at TPMS, like most schools in MCPS, is coming from kids who are performing below grade level and achieving lower scores. Making all 75 seats open to the entire potential applicant pool and accepting the top performers or outliers while keeping the inbound TPMS students that score high but not as well in the general program helps offset the shifting % of students toward lower performance.

There is no way that allowing the inbound seats to predominantly go to white kids that score lower than OOB minorities is going to hold up with a federal investigation into discrimination. One of the easy remedies to save the program from being shut down altogether is to allow those seats not to be hoarded by white families with lower scoring kids but to be competed fairly throughout the county.


There is so much wrong here, the whole post needs to be bolded. Please stop with the unsubstantiated assumptions. I am guessing you have no experience with TPMS, magnet or non-magnet.

Actually it is pretty spot on.

Says the sock-puppet.