Deal is tremendously overcrowded - something is to give

[Anonymous]

Whoops, forgot to add Key to school2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:School 1: Brightwood, Janney, Lafayette, March, Powell, Shepherd and West

School 2: Bancroft, Cooke, Eaton, Hearst, Hyde, Marie Reed, Mann, Oyster-Adams, and Stoddert

Both would be around 500 a class

How does this not work? It checks the most positive blocks and the least amount of negative ones. Each has diversity. Each has a highly educated population. Each brings in currently underserved but growing areas. It's geographically sound. It's hugely symbolic by uniting both sides of the park. Each increases resident and student retention. Each increases property values. Each has schools with available OOB spots. Each would be filled.

You missed Key. But no way that is just 1000 kids from 17 schools - that is 59 kids per school - Janney, Murch and Lafayette are double that every year right now.

And Mann and Hearst are both much closer to Deal/Wilson than Lafayette is.

And where is the physical building for these kids that you propose.

But I think you broader point is sound - that you could get a viable mix of kids from these schools for another thriving MS/HS.

[Anonymous]

Using 2017-18 5th grade populations it was...
School 1: 515
School 2: 486

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:School 1: Brightwood, Janney, Lafayette, March, Powell, Shepherd and West

School 2: Bancroft, Cooke, Eaton, Hearst, Hyde, Marie Reed, Mann, Oyster-Adams, and Stoddert

Both would be around 500 a class

How does this not work? It checks the most positive blocks and the least amount of negative ones. Each has diversity. Each has a highly educated population. Each brings in currently underserved but growing areas. It's geographically sound. It's hugely symbolic by uniting both sides of the park. Each increases resident and student retention. Each increases property values. Each has schools with available OOB spots. Each would be filled.

You missed Key. But no way that is just 1000 kids from 17 schools - that is 59 kids per school - Janney, Murch and Lafayette are double that every year right now.

And Mann and Hearst are both much closer to Deal/Wilson than Lafayette is.

And where is the physical building for these kids that you propose.

But I think you broader point is sound - that you could get a viable mix of kids from these schools for another thriving MS/HS.

Janney/Lafayette /Murch = ~400, but all the other schools are much smaller.

[Anonymous]

Something centered around swapping part of Howard Law for old Banneker might work, although I would hope to save that site for another magnet school.

Finding real estate is the easy part! Have you met the groups of people this satisfies?

[Anonymous]

I do wonder if you could frame the discussion around what grouping of elementary schools to bundle up together for MS/HS rather than a geographic EOTP/WOTP debate or fight about where the physical schools are or a racial/class battle if you couldn't get some interest and buy in?

And when doing that you have to remember that 1)Deal and Wilson today are both still pretty diverse (though Deal rapidly less so) and 2)Lots of kids today are commuting good distances to get to Deal/Wilson.

Or to put it another way the baseline isn't an all white pair of strictly neighborhood serving schools so working towards an outcome where you get two sets of diverse high performing schools that require some of each schools population to travel isn't actually that far from what kids are currently doing but yes who has to do the traveling will change with a new set of schools and some people will win and some will lose in that scenario.

But everyone will get less crowded schools and maybe you even preserve a few OOB slots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Something centered around swapping part of Howard Law for old Banneker might work, although I would hope to save that site for another magnet school.

Finding real estate is the easy part! Have you met the groups of people this satisfies?

That is close to Janney/Murch/Hearst and Deal/Wilson. So geographically this doesn't solve much.

And again there is this narrative that we need to add WOTP school capacity because for some reason lots of folks, seemingly on both sides of the park, believe it is only possible to have good public schools WOTP.

And we don't need magnet schools. We need high quality neighborhood serving schools - that is essentially what everyone is clamoring to attend in Ward 3 from all over the city.

What is missing facilities wise is a EOTP middle school. There is lots of EOTP HS capacity - your proposed school on the Howard Campus isn't much further from Roosevelt than it is from Wilson.

[Anonymous]

You're not going to be able to come up with a split that doesn't screw anyone over any other way. Who cares about the location, it's all about the split and maximizing the geography/population served without breaking things or hate.

Before we can get 3 (and hopefully more) desirable schools we need 2. We can't afford another education screw-up. The next HS move DCPS makes has to be a win. We need to retain these residents for the long term sustainable health of the city. This gives us time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:EOTP is about 5-10 years behind capitol hill which is about 5-10 years behind WOTP/Wilson Pyramid

The cycle is decent elementary schools which all three regions have

Next is tracking/honors in middle school to convince higher SES folks to attend the neighborhood schools (See Stuart Hobson on Capitol Hill)

The final piece is building enough momentum in middle school that people embrace the high school aka Deal to Wilson feeder

Additionally as neighborhood schools are fully embraced OOB spots decrease so highly motivated folks in-bound elsewhere bringing up the next middle school

As Deal and Hardy become full more folks transition to Stuart Hobson which accelerates performance

As Wilson becomes full more folks transition to other high school options (this is tough esp with the application HS sucking out high quality folks) It remains to be seen what is the next high school to rise up. Eastern still has a ways to go. Hopefully people locked out of Wilson start flocking to Eastern

[b]

No, people locked out of Wilson flock to DCI, BASIS, Washington Latin, SWW, Banneker if non-white, privates and burbs. No hope for Eastern as mostly in-bound program for 20-25 years.

[Anonymous]

I think we're going to see a bunch of white families try Banneker before we'll see them try Eastern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think we're going to see a bunch of white families try Banneker before we'll see them try Eastern.

+1. Also McKinley HS. It's already happening there, albeit slowly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:EOTP is about 5-10 years behind capitol hill which is about 5-10 years behind WOTP/Wilson Pyramid

The cycle is decent elementary schools which all three regions have

Next is tracking/honors in middle school to convince higher SES folks to attend the neighborhood schools (See Stuart Hobson on Capitol Hill)

The final piece is building enough momentum in middle school that people embrace the high school aka Deal to Wilson feeder

Additionally as neighborhood schools are fully embraced OOB spots decrease so highly motivated folks in-bound elsewhere bringing up the next middle school

As Deal and Hardy become full more folks transition to Stuart Hobson which accelerates performance

As Wilson becomes full more folks transition to other high school options (this is tough esp with the application HS sucking out high quality folks) It remains to be seen what is the next high school to rise up. Eastern still has a ways to go. Hopefully people locked out of Wilson start flocking to Eastern

No, people locked out of Wilson flock to DCI, BASIS, Washington Latin, SWW, [b]Banneker if non-white, privates and burbs. No hope for Eastern as mostly in-bound program for 20-25 years.

Why do I keep reading this? My white son is applying to Banneker. I know white students who attend Banneker. The posters who keep posting this do you have kids in MS or HS? Why do I keep reading this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:EOTP is about 5-10 years behind capitol hill which is about 5-10 years behind WOTP/Wilson Pyramid

The cycle is decent elementary schools which all three regions have

Next is tracking/honors in middle school to convince higher SES folks to attend the neighborhood schools (See Stuart Hobson on Capitol Hill)

The final piece is building enough momentum in middle school that people embrace the high school aka Deal to Wilson feeder

Additionally as neighborhood schools are fully embraced OOB spots decrease so highly motivated folks in-bound elsewhere bringing up the next middle school

As Deal and Hardy become full more folks transition to Stuart Hobson which accelerates performance

As Wilson becomes full more folks transition to other high school options (this is tough esp with the application HS sucking out high quality folks) It remains to be seen what is the next high school to rise up. Eastern still has a ways to go. Hopefully people locked out of Wilson start flocking to Eastern

No, people locked out of Wilson flock to DCI, BASIS, Washington Latin, SWW, Banneker if non-white, privates and burbs. No hope for Eastern as mostly in-bound program for 20-25 years.

Why do I keep reading this? My white son is applying to Banneker. I know white students who attend Banneker. The posters who keep posting this do you have kids in MS or HS? Why do I keep reading this?

(fixed the bold problem)

[Anonymous]

Well, its because hardly any white kids attend Banneker. But more should. I expect we will see more diverse enrollment at Banneker once it moves to its new location. I'll certainly consider it for my kids! (I'm a white one)

[Anonymous]

I would love my DC to attend Banneker but I worry about being one of only a few non AA kids in the class. Similar situation in Pre-K (mostly Spanish speaking Hispanic kids) and DC was very lonely. Hope the school becomes more diverse because academics seem top notch