Georgetown Prep is taking a beating with this Kanvanugh scandal...does it deserve it?

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Anonymous wrote:It's easy to bash Prep, but I'd take the word any day of man molded from boy to leader by this great Jesuit institution.


What about of a woman molded by Holton Arms?


More sexually promiscuous and partied reputation, particularly compared to Stone Ridge and Visi.


Oh please stop trashing women. You're ok with "boys will be boys"...but go ahead and ALWAYS blame the woman you piece of trash/Trump voter.
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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that these kids live in 1952. Their mother's don't work(compared to 70% of mother's nationwide). They arent seeing girls outperform them in class, which is what happens at every coed school. They don't learn to see women as equals. Add in the one upsmanship, and you get a bunch of swaggerers who objectify women. I know people who teach at all male Catholic high schools. They tell me that their students are complete sexists.


The problem is you don't know what you are talking about. I have a son at an all male HS that is also being mentioned on this thread. Most of these students attended coed schools before HS so it's not like they have never been in a classroom with girls before. He has a part-time job and works with women and girls a few days a week during the school year and all summer long. His boss is a woman. His favorite teacher at the school is a woman. The vast majority of the moms at the school work. I am the primary breadwinner in our house and my DS knows that. He freely admits his younger sister is a better athlete. Stereotypes and prejudices like yours help me to realize even more the value of an all male HS.


I have yet to meet a Prep or Gonzaga kid with a working mother. That's part of the whole cultural attitude that breeds these boys.


You have got to be kidding me. So you don't have a son at either school and you must not know more than a very few moms from those schools -- OR you're just lying. I couldn't even begin to try to list the many and varied careers of the professional women who have sons at these schools, even just the ones in my extended circles. Suffice it to say there are doctors, nurses, lawyers, educational professionals (teachers/professionals/admins), tech execs, business owners, and feds among many others. And I'd venture to guess that even among the non-working mothers the vast majority are highly educated, with successful careers behind them. I would say that the parent body is very comparable to that of the highly rated co-ed public schools that my kids also attended.


As a mother who chose to focus on child rearing vs career. I find your little dig about sahm’s offensive, although I’m sure you don’t care.
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Anonymous wrote:I came into this discussion because I didn't have an opinion of Georgetown Prep at all before this (didn't grow up around here, live in Virginia, we don't do private school) and was curious to learn more. You've all done a great job of convincing me that it's a cesspool. And by "you," I don't mean the anti-Prep folks, I mean the people defending it. It's like you're determined to prove all the worst stereotypes of all-male schools.


You really thing your public is any better? Think again?


My public isn't all-male, so right there we avoid that dynamic, which you all have done nothing to convince me isn't highly problematic.


This has nothing to do with all male. I went to public high school here and they had the same kind of parties. Don't kid yourself this is an all male school or private school issue.


I worked on my public school yearbook back in the day, and the things we've seen from the one made public would never have been tolerated.


They were very much tolerated, especially when they are after hours/not at school.


Sounds like you are talking past each other. Isn’t PP saying that the yearbook advisors at the public HS would not have allowed such overt references to drinking and partying in the yearbooks (such as reflected in the biographies for Judge and Kavanaugh in the GP yearbook), not that parties didn’t take place. Although even as to the latter, I think there was not such a frat boy dynamic at the public high schools.


Attended a public HS in the early 80’s and yes, there was a huge drinking culture there as well.
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I am sorry but my sons attended Georgetown Prep and we don't live or know anyone at Prep that lives in "1952". In any case my mom was working in "1952" anyway. In our household we needed both salaries to afford to live where we live in DC AND to be able to send our 3 children (21,23,33) to both the coed DC Public and Charter Schools and to the private schools from where they graduated. The ignorance of your 1952 comment is breathtaking. I have no idea what exactly happened to Dr. Ford but I am sure there is nothing special about Gprep being an all boys school that brought it about. That is too easy an answer. My 21 year old son attends a Coed "liberal" College and that kind of attack happens on campus all too often. I attended an Historically Black College and know that this happened in the 80's and certainly continues now. THIS IS AN AMERICAN AND WORLDWIDE PROBLEM. If the judge is guilty he should NOT be able to hide behind Prep, or his relative privilege in society. He is guilty of doing something that happens all too often across our cultural landscape. This is not a "THEM" Problem. This is an "US" Problem. Stop running to your cultural corners and deal with it or SHUT UP!

By the way, My eldest offspring is a daughter and the best athlete in the family and the Academic AND Athletic my sons follow. Prep was a great experience for them and I would do it again and I am not Catholic, Rich or White.
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Anonymous wrote:One of biggest problems as it relates to BK is that not only does he appear to be stuck in the era where drinking excessively is ok, but he celebrates it as if it's all a big joke. When a federal judge still thinks it's ok to make jokes about "what happens at prep.." or how much he drank in law school, it shows a lack of maturity and seriousness.

This is my issue with some people (not all) from these private schools, particularly the Catholic schools. There is a multi generational pervasive attitude about excessive drinking.


I absolutely agree, and it's troubling the extent to which they don't seem get that it's not normal and everyone isn't doing it.


The drinking is a big issue with many prep schools and moral licensing with many Catholic schools. The combo is insufferable.


Why in the world do people equate this with being exclusive to private school, or yet Catholic school culture? This was late 70’s/early 80’s HS culture. I attended a co-ed, public HS, where the students were by no means privileged and we all partied like this.

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"I have yet to meet a Prep or Gonzaga kid with a working mother. That's part of the whole cultural attitude that breeds these boys."


What an absurd statement! You must not know many of the families in both these communities because the majority are dual income households. I am a Prep mother and a physician and, in fact, work with another Prep mom physician at the same hospital. Get your facts straight!


So what would be wrong even if many of them did have sahm’s? I thought feminism was supposed to be abour choices. Doesn’t seem like many of you respect the choice of a mother deciding to focus on family instead of career
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If women don't support themselves financially pp, they are going to be more dependent on the white male patriarchy and its power structure.
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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that these kids live in 1952. Their mother's don't work(compared to 70% of mother's nationwide). They arent seeing girls outperform them in class, which is what happens at every coed school. They don't learn to see women as equals. Add in the one upsmanship, and you get a bunch of swaggerers who objectify women. I know people who teach at all male Catholic high schools. They tell me that their students are complete sexists.


The problem is you don't know what you are talking about. I have a son at an all male HS that is also being mentioned on this thread. Most of these students attended coed schools before HS so it's not like they have never been in a classroom with girls before. He has a part-time job and works with women and girls a few days a week during the school year and all summer long. His boss is a woman. His favorite teacher at the school is a woman. The vast majority of the moms at the school work. I am the primary breadwinner in our house and my DS knows that. He freely admits his younger sister is a better athlete. Stereotypes and prejudices like yours help me to realize even more the value of an all male HS.


I have yet to meet a Prep or Gonzaga kid with a working mother. That's part of the whole cultural attitude that breeds these boys.


You have got to be kidding me. So you don't have a son at either school and you must not know more than a very few moms from those schools -- OR you're just lying. I couldn't even begin to try to list the many and varied careers of the professional women who have sons at these schools, even just the ones in my extended circles. Suffice it to say there are doctors, nurses, lawyers, educational professionals (teachers/professionals/admins), tech execs, business owners, and feds among many others. And I'd venture to guess that even among the non-working mothers the vast majority are highly educated, with successful careers behind them. I would say that the parent body is very comparable to that of the highly rated co-ed public schools that my kids also attended.


As a mother who chose to focus on child rearing vs career. I find your little dig about sahm’s offensive, although I’m sure you don’t care.


If you're talking about the comment immediately before yours -- it certainly wasn't intended as I am a SAHM mom myself! I respect the varied choices of moms for sure. My point was that they are varied in these school communities, just as in other privates and other publics around here, and I didn't like the derogatory and inaccurate way the PP's were stereotyping an entire parent body.
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Anonymous wrote:If women don't support themselves financially pp, they are going to be more dependent on the white male patriarchy and its power structure.


Some of these women may very well be supporting themselves and their family with family money....it's the private school game so all bets are off. Generalizing that women who SAHM are not strong personalities is just another stereotype. And the most ridiculous part is that I am betting most of the posters on here are women, so we are bashing ourselves while the patriarchs continue to objectify women and write them off as catty and petty.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that these kids live in 1952. Their mother's don't work(compared to 70% of mother's nationwide). They arent seeing girls outperform them in class, which is what happens at every coed school. They don't learn to see women as equals. Add in the one upsmanship, and you get a bunch of swaggerers who objectify women. I know people who teach at all male Catholic high schools. They tell me that their students are complete sexists.


The problem is you don't know what you are talking about. I have a son at an all male HS that is also being mentioned on this thread. Most of these students attended coed schools before HS so it's not like they have never been in a classroom with girls before. He has a part-time job and works with women and girls a few days a week during the school year and all summer long. His boss is a woman. His favorite teacher at the school is a woman. The vast majority of the moms at the school work. I am the primary breadwinner in our house and my DS knows that. He freely admits his younger sister is a better athlete. Stereotypes and prejudices like yours help me to realize even more the value of an all male HS.


I have yet to meet a Prep or Gonzaga kid with a working mother. That's part of the whole cultural attitude that breeds these boys.


You have got to be kidding me. So you don't have a son at either school and you must not know more than a very few moms from those schools -- OR you're just lying. I couldn't even begin to try to list the many and varied careers of the professional women who have sons at these schools, even just the ones in my extended circles. Suffice it to say there are doctors, nurses, lawyers, educational professionals (teachers/professionals/admins), tech execs, business owners, and feds among many others. And I'd venture to guess that even among the non-working mothers the vast majority are highly educated, with successful careers behind them. I would say that the parent body is very comparable to that of the highly rated co-ed public schools that my kids also attended.


As a mother who chose to focus on child rearing vs career. I find your little dig about sahm’s offensive, although I’m sure you don’t care.


Where’s the dig? I do not see one.
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"I have yet to meet a Prep or Gonzaga kid with a working mother. That's part of the whole cultural attitude that breeds these boys."


What an absurd statement! You must not know many of the families in both these communities because the majority are dual income households. I am a Prep mother and a physician and, in fact, work with another Prep mom physician at the same hospital. Get your facts straight!


So what would be wrong even if many of them did have sahm’s? I thought feminism was supposed to be abour choices. Doesn’t seem like many of you respect the choice of a mother deciding to focus on family instead of career


You are reading way too much into this. No one is saying being a SAHM is not a good thing; they are saying the comment that no GZ or Prep mom works is a very ignorant comment.
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To the people comparing today's schools to the 80's or 1950's, let me offer than as a graduate of a school in the 1980's, given chronological proximity to the 1960's, the lower drinking ages and the only emerging "just say no" and MADD campaigns, that times were somewhat different then as compared to now.
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Anonymous wrote:One of biggest problems as it relates to BK is that not only does he appear to be stuck in the era where drinking excessively is ok, but he celebrates it as if it's all a big joke. When a federal judge still thinks it's ok to make jokes about "what happens at prep.." or how much he drank in law school, it shows a lack of maturity and seriousness.

This is my issue with some people (not all) from these private schools, particularly the Catholic schools. There is a multi generational pervasive attitude about excessive drinking.


I absolutely agree, and it's troubling the extent to which they don't seem get that it's not normal and everyone isn't doing it.


The drinking is a big issue with many prep schools and moral licensing with many Catholic schools. The combo is insufferable.


Why in the world do people equate this with being exclusive to private school, or yet Catholic school culture? This was late 70’s/early 80’s HS culture. I attended a co-ed, public HS, where the students were by no means privileged and we all partied like this.



I don't know if you went to HS in DC, but I went to a DC all girls private in the 80s. The private schools kids socialized pretty exclusively with other private school kids. Which is why the private school culture in DC was and is so tight knit and everyone seems to know each other.
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A LETTER FROM FR. VAN DYKE TO THE PREP COMMUNITY
Sep 21 2018 9:21 AM
The following is a letter from Rev. James R. Van Dyke, S.J., president of Georgetown Preparatory School, to the School community.

Thursday, September 20, 2018


To our Families and Friends, Students and Alumni:

Brothers and Sisters,

It is just about two months now since I arrived here at Georgetown Prep, and only a few weeks since my official start. People from all across the Prep Community as well as friends from all over the globe have asked me, "How do you like Prep?" and "How's it going?" and "What do you think?" And it seems to me like it's a very good time for me to respond to those questions.

Prep is a wonderful place, a wonderful school, a wonderful community. There is no denying that this is a challenging time for a lot of reasons. But it is a wonderful place, a wonderful school, a wonderful community.

I don't say this because I have to; I say it because of what I see happening day after day: committed faculty and staff laboring hard and long hours to help a diverse group of young men from all over the world learn, and grow, to become "men of conscience, competence, courage, and compassion; men of faith and men for others." And why do they do it? Because they believe that their good efforts for these young men and their families will help our students to go forward beyond college to become agents of good in our world as professionals and public servants, as teachers and pastors, as fathers and spouses and friends. We see in our students the enormous potential they have to build a better, gentler, more just world. And it is not an idle dream: we watch our students work in our Christian Service Program, giving up vacations and breaks to travel far and wide, into neighborhoods a few miles away and to far continents, to tutor, to build, to repair, to live in solidarity with the poorest people on our globe, putting faith into action. We see our teams pick up the ethic of service as well, working with the Special Olympics, the Challenger programs, and countless other unsung service projects. We see it in the students who spend tireless hours doing in-house tutoring, the guys who volunteer for set-up and break-down and hosting duties at on-campus events. We see it in the guys who look out in the South Room to make sure that no one is sitting alone at lunch.

It is not that our students are perfect; they are still learning, and we hope that they will continue to learn, not only at the intellectual level, but at the spiritual, moral, psychological, social and interpersonal levels as well. For every stage of their life will require that of them, both personally and professionally. And our dedicated faculty and staff, our coaches and moderators work to help them prepare for that, to become men who will embrace the hard lessons and learn from them. Our own efforts are not always perfect nor do we always get it right, mind you, but they are good—deeply good, and I am so pleased to be part of a community of professionals who labor so hard to get it right and for the right reasons.

I mentioned above that it is a challenging time for Prep, and indeed it is. But in this time too there is a grace, and I am proud of the way our faculty and staff are responding. It is a time for us to continue to evaluate our school culture, as we do each day, and to think deeply and long about what it means to be "men for others," what the vaunted Prep "brotherhood" is really about. It is a time to continue our ongoing work with the guys on developing a proper sense of self and a healthy understanding of masculinity, in contrast to many of the cultural models and caricatures that they see. And it is a time to talk with them honestly and even bluntly about what respect for others, especially respect for women and other marginalized people means in very practical terms—in actions and in words. We are keenly aware that they are young men—adolescents—and that these lessons are often hard to learn because they ask young men to move beyond their natural insecurities and self-concern and to push beyond what is presumed in so much of popular culture. But we know it is vital and that it will take time and effort and great adult role models. I am proud that our faculty and staff are embracing this work with all their heart.

It's also been tough to see the caricature that we have been painted with by some: that we are somehow elitist, privileged, uncaring. That we are elite, we cannot deny; every student who comes here is chosen for his personal potential regardless of financial need, and every member of the faculty and staff is chosen precisely because we think they will help to build a good and responsible and caring community for our students. There is no one here by default. That we are privileged, we also cannot deny; generations of visionary Prep alumni and friends have helped to build excellent facilities for classes and for athletics and have underwritten our retreat and service and arts programs; our students have families who love and care about them and want the best for them; our faculty and staff are educated far above the norm, many with multiple graduate degrees, and are allowed to work with students beyond a rigid curriculum that constrains many institutions. But we are not entitled, and one of the most important lessons we strive to live and to teach our students is an ethic of service and compassion and solidarity with those in need. The challenge of these days does not mitigate the need for those qualities; in fact, it asks us to renew our commitment to them, both for ourselves and for our students and their families.

And contrary to the caricature as well, the wider school community is not uncaring; I ponder with gratitude the many calls I have received offering help for our needier students and their families, the willingness of our alumni to finance scholarships for applicants from the poorest families in our area, the parents who offer to put in a little extra or to give a little more time so that the families who can't afford something or can't give rides can be included. And I look to the community of parents who long ago formed and continue to pilot to the Community of Concern to help our new parents deal with and educate their sons about the false allure of alcohol, drugs, tobacco, and other destructive habits.

Yes, it is a challenging time, even a tough time. But I reflect on these gifts—the gifts of conscience, competence, courage, and compassion that I see in our faculty and staff, in our parents, in our wider community—and though I may have to face difficult phone calls and emails, I know that our school and its community is well prepared to and committed to help these young men to become most truly men of faith and men for others. And I am grateful.

Yes, it is a tough and challenging time. But I remember the words of the wedding vows that I have heard so many of my family and friends profess over the years: "for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health." And I would not want to be anywhere else. Not for a moment.

Sincerely in Christ,

Rev. James R. Van Dyke, S.J.
President
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