Non Jews and Circumcision - Question

[Anonymous]

We didn't circumcise. So far, no regrets, although my son is not yet 2 years old, so I suppose that could change.

The way I looked at it is that he could always grow up and decide to have it done...but it's not possible to go back and replace his foreskin after it's been removed.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't read all the previous replies, but it is cleaner, it is more common - who wants their son to be the one in the locker room getting teased because he looks different? as for pain, COME ON, it's over in 2 seconds. at my son's circumcision, he cried for 10 seconds. it was literally NOTHING and healed so quickly. I find uncircumcised men dirty, as do a lot of women. it's just putting your son in a position where his peers and lovers may question the whole thing...

You sound ridiculously ignorant. Like the kind of person who would think black ppl are dirty because their skin is dark. Ew!

It IS less clean, that’s not debatable. Uncircumcised penises are more prone to fungus infections STD etc bc harder to keep clean. That’s where the tradition comes from!

Yes, but only because the men were in a war zone! Tonsils can be prone to infection, too, but we no longer routinely remove them.

This is true. There is no reason to circumcise now. Cosmetic and culture. A cruel thing to do to a baby.

How is it cruel? Anesthesia is used. I don't care if you do it or not, but fail to see how it can be described as cruel.

It is cruel because you are making a choice for your son to his penis that cannot be reversed!!!

This. It is mutilation of male genitalia and the fact that Jews do this to their own doesn’t mean we can’t call it for what it is.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Let’s put it this way, God wouldn’t make a whole swath of babies that you have to “fix” right away. All infant males have foreskins - they are meant to be there. Do you want people removing parts of your vagina because it might be smelly and hard to clean? Hmmmmm? Statistics show women without vaginas smell less than women. with vaginas!

[Anonymous]

Dh is not circ. Our 3 sons, who are now young men, are not either.
None of these men have chosen to have this procedure done.

[Anonymous]

I don’t get the people who say to do it as a baby because babies feel less pain. That’s ridiculous and just a way to make your mind feel better.

Would you take your day old baby and say pinch him really hard because he doesn’t feel it much anyway? Or how about just cutting his little arm or leg, think he doesn’t feel it?

Even if a local anesthetic is used ( which is not good for a newborn anyway), you know that as soon as it wears off there will be pain. Just like when they pull your wisdom tooth and you’re numb for a little while until bam all the pain from the surgery hits you.

If you’re Jewish or Muslim and this part of your religion deems it necessary, fine. But don’t make excuses for it such as it’s medically better and that babies don’t feel pain to placate your senses and good judgement.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the people who say to do it as a baby because babies feel less pain. That’s ridiculous and just a way to make your mind feel better.

Would you take your day old baby and say pinch him really hard because he doesn’t feel it much anyway? Or how about just cutting his little arm or leg, think he doesn’t feel it?

Even if a local anesthetic is used ( which is not good for a newborn anyway), you know that as soon as it wears off there will be pain. Just like when they pull your wisdom tooth and you’re numb for a little while until bam all the pain from the surgery hits you.

If you’re Jewish or Muslim and this part of your religion deems it necessary, fine. But don’t make excuses for it such as it’s medically better and that babies don’t feel pain to placate your senses and good judgement.

You're making ridiculous leaps that are not logical. The most current research shows it is better for long term sexual and reproductive health to circumcise. Sorry you don't like it.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, it’s highly sensitive tissue with tons of nerve endings. It’s not supposition that removing it reduces pleasure.

I don't have a penis, so I have no idea. But my ex, who had to be circumcised as an adult due to a random and sudden infection, said sex was much more pleasurable after the circumcision.

I can’t even with your dumbness. First of all, yeah, having an infection probably wasn’t pleasurable. Second, his penis had been protected by foreskin his whole life so was more sensitive than if he’d been circumcised as an infant!

[Anonymous]

my son is 19 months, we circumcised. I left it up to his dad, I wasn't comfortable making a decision about a body part I don't have.

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do you know any grown men who have had it done? it's horrendous for them. babies get over it quickly and you dont know any grown men who have felt traumatized by being circumcised as an infant.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, it’s highly sensitive tissue with tons of nerve endings. It’s not supposition that removing it reduces pleasure.

I don't have a penis, so I have no idea. But my ex, who had to be circumcised as an adult due to a random and sudden infection, said sex was much more pleasurable after the circumcision.

I can’t even with your dumbness. First of all, yeah, having an infection probably wasn’t pleasurable. Second, his penis had been protected by foreskin his whole life so was more sensitive than if he’d been circumcised as an infant!

I was going to say the same thing. Duh!

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Anonymous wrote:PP, it’s highly sensitive tissue with tons of nerve endings. It’s not supposition that removing it reduces pleasure.

I don't have a penis, so I have no idea. But my ex, who had to be circumcised as an adult due to a random and sudden infection, said sex was much more pleasurable after the circumcision.

I can’t even with your dumbness. First of all, yeah, having an infection probably wasn’t pleasurable. Second, his penis had been protected by foreskin his whole life so was more sensitive than if he’d been circumcised as an infant!

You cannot even? Lol, okay. Obviously he meant sex was more pleasurable after the circumcision than it had been uncircumcised (before the infection). He wasn't comparing it to sex with an infection. Sorry you're an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, it’s highly sensitive tissue with tons of nerve endings. It’s not supposition that removing it reduces pleasure.

I don't have a penis, so I have no idea. But my ex, who had to be circumcised as an adult due to a random and sudden infection, said sex was much more pleasurable after the circumcision.

I can’t even with your dumbness. First of all, yeah, having an infection probably wasn’t pleasurable. Second, his penis had been protected by foreskin his whole life so was more sensitive than if he’d been circumcised as an infant!

You cannot even? Lol, okay. Obviously he meant sex was more pleasurable after the circumcision than it had been uncircumcised (before the infection). He wasn't comparing it to sex with an infection. Sorry you're an idiot.

Then learn to write. Do you have a response to my second point that you’re conveniently ignoring?! No, because you’re dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, it’s highly sensitive tissue with tons of nerve endings. It’s not supposition that removing it reduces pleasure.

I don't have a penis, so I have no idea. But my ex, who had to be circumcised as an adult due to a random and sudden infection, said sex was much more pleasurable after the circumcision.

As an uncircumcized male, I find that extremely hard to believe. And more importantly, every other moment of the day (when sex was not happening) would be agonizing due to the constant chafind on the now-exposed sensitive part. Definitely not worth it, if it can be avoided.

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Anonymous wrote:do you know any grown men who have had it done? it's horrendous for them. babies get over it quickly and you dont know any grown men who have felt traumatized by being circumcised as an infant.

Grown men can get over it fine if it’s their choice. Stop infantilizing grown men and forcing adult decisions on babies.

[Anonymous]

So tired of this stupid idea that male and female circumcision have no relation whatsoever. It just shows that there is vast ignorance about a) the analogous male and female genital structures and b) the realities of the wide range of female genital cuttings that occur around the world.

A) Females do have foreskins. The clitoral hood is the exact same structure as the foreskin. In utero, the genital structures are identical at the earliest fetal stages before they begin to differentiate under the influence of hormones. Look it up. Technical term is the prepuce for both males and females.

B) The World Health Organization classifies female genital cutting into four types. Type I, which may involve only the removal of the female prepuce, is the equivalent of male circumcision as practiced in the U.S.

http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/fgm/overview/en/

FGC is not always practiced in the bush with rusty tin can lids by poor, "primitive" cultures as is commonly imagined. In North Africa and Southeast Asia, for example, it's often performed in hospitals -- by upper and middle-class people -- for what they believe to be hygienic and or religious reasons.

Many women who have undergone circumcision will claim that it's cleaner, reduces disease, and that they have perfectly good sex lives, and that they want the same for their daughters.