Some of the disgusting stuff that is happening in pornography

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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Do you really think women are CHOOSING to be sodomized, ejaculated on, gagged, slapped, beaten and throttled? I don't think so. It's amazing how far some people will go to try and justify abuse and torture for titillation but it's not surprising. There's a troll on here that really hates women.

Yes, they chose to do this in exchange for payment.

Also, it may shock you to learn, some people (many of whom are women) DO enjoy these things, even without being paid or filmed.

NP. No one in their right mind would enjoy being beaten, slapped, throttled. You are crazy.

You obvious have nooooo idea about the BDSM society...but you know...ignorance is bliss.

BDSM is a FERISH meaning it's enjoyed by a relatively small portion of the population. And yet what you described in your post is not just fetish work it's part of mainstream porn. Meaning we can be absolutely certain that not everyone who films these scenes is into it. Even still, much of the violence in porn comes as a surprise- omg act, that's the very point of the article OP posted- how painful the actress acted like the sex was because that was the part she was playing and that the male porn star acted like he didn't listen because that was the part he was playing. No women d(lets go with 99% of them to please you ) don't want to have parts of them ripped open, they don't want to be punched, they don't want to hit in the face. ANY logical person knows this, so you arguing against it just reveals you, as the other poster pointed out, to be a misogynist troll. Which is nothing new or exciting, and simply shows how void of compassion and emotionally stunted you are on an article such as this

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No... it's real acts depicted in porn. Did you think this was special effects filmed on a green screen?

This circular nonsense is getting really old. Stop acting like those real acts aren't consensual and scripted with the full, willing, informed participation of all parties involved.

Many of the acts are not planned or scripted. In fact in the Frontline special a PP was kind enough to link (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/ Thanks PP) the porn maker specifically admits that the woman involved does not know the extent of the violent scenario they have planned for her. It happens ALL THE TIME.

And again- does consent make it suddenly alright? If you agree to let someone pull your teeth out for money, is it okay for people to watch it and enjoy it? Does that make it suddenly morally permissible?

Morally permissible? If I want to make money by having someone pay to watch me have my teeth pulled, why yes, I argue, it's entirely morally permissible. What makes you think it is "immoral?"

So you have no problem with "Bum Fights" then? With the story of the homeless man who had hot coffee poured on him for $20?

First, why do you think it's immoral for someone to pay me to watch me have my teeth pulled?

You're fine with people jerking off to you writhing in pain?

Why is it immoral?

Because you're taking pleasure in other people being in pain? I mean... do you know the definition of "immoral"?

Now to answer both of my questions.

Stop answering a different question (you're floundering here). You asked ME whether I'd be okay if someone paid me to watch me have my teeth pulled. I'm the one with the teeth in your question. Why is it immoral if I agree?

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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Do you really think women are CHOOSING to be sodomized, ejaculated on, gagged, slapped, beaten and throttled? I don't think so. It's amazing how far some people will go to try and justify abuse and torture for titillation but it's not surprising. There's a troll on here that really hates women.

Yes, they chose to do this in exchange for payment.

Also, it may shock you to learn, some people (many of whom are women) DO enjoy these things, even without being paid or filmed.

NP. No one in their right mind would enjoy being beaten, slapped, throttled. You are crazy.

You obvious have nooooo idea about the BDSM society...but you know...ignorance is bliss.

BDSM is a FERISH meaning it's enjoyed by a relatively small portion of the population. And yet what you described in your post is not just fetish work it's part of mainstream porn. Meaning we can be absolutely certain that not everyone who films these scenes is into it. Even still, much of the violence in porn comes as a surprise- omg act, that's the very point of the article OP posted- how painful the actress acted like the sex was because that was the part she was playing and that the male porn star acted like he didn't listen because that was the part he was playing. No women d(lets go with 99% of them to please you ) don't want to have parts of them ripped open, they don't want to be punched, they don't want to hit in the face. ANY logical person knows this, so you arguing against it just reveals you, as the other poster pointed out, to be a misogynist troll. Which is nothing new or exciting, and simply shows how void of compassion and emotionally stunted you are on an article such as this

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No... it's real acts depicted in porn. Did you think this was special effects filmed on a green screen?

This circular nonsense is getting really old. Stop acting like those real acts aren't consensual and scripted with the full, willing, informed participation of all parties involved.

Many of the acts are not planned or scripted. In fact in the Frontline special a PP was kind enough to link (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/ Thanks PP) the porn maker specifically admits that the woman involved does not know the extent of the violent scenario they have planned for her. It happens ALL THE TIME.

And again- does consent make it suddenly alright? If you agree to let someone pull your teeth out for money, is it okay for people to watch it and enjoy it? Does that make it suddenly morally permissible?

Morally permissible? If I want to make money by having someone pay to watch me have my teeth pulled, why yes, I argue, it's entirely morally permissible. What makes you think it is "immoral?"

So you have no problem with "Bum Fights" then? With the story of the homeless man who had hot coffee poured on him for $20?

First, why do you think it's immoral for someone to pay me to watch me have my teeth pulled?

You're fine with people jerking off to you writhing in pain?

Why is it immoral?

Because you're taking pleasure in other people being in pain? I mean... do you know the definition of "immoral"?

Now to answer both of my questions.

Stop answering a different question (you're floundering here). You asked ME whether I'd be okay if someone paid me to watch me have my teeth pulled. I'm the one with the teeth in your question. Why is it immoral if I agree?

Your strategy seems to be asking the same questions repeatedly in the hope that somehow the answers will change? If there's a definition of floundering, I think that might just be it.

There would be no moral transgression on your part, but only on the part of the people who paid you and the people who take pleasure in it.

Now, since I've entertained your quite obvious and almost patronizingly stupid questions, please answer both of mine.

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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Do you really think women are CHOOSING to be sodomized, ejaculated on, gagged, slapped, beaten and throttled? I don't think so. It's amazing how far some people will go to try and justify abuse and torture for titillation but it's not surprising. There's a troll on here that really hates women.

Yes, they chose to do this in exchange for payment.

Also, it may shock you to learn, some people (many of whom are women) DO enjoy these things, even without being paid or filmed.

NP. No one in their right mind would enjoy being beaten, slapped, throttled. You are crazy.

You obvious have nooooo idea about the BDSM society...but you know...ignorance is bliss.

BDSM is a FERISH meaning it's enjoyed by a relatively small portion of the population. And yet what you described in your post is not just fetish work it's part of mainstream porn. Meaning we can be absolutely certain that not everyone who films these scenes is into it. Even still, much of the violence in porn comes as a surprise- omg act, that's the very point of the article OP posted- how painful the actress acted like the sex was because that was the part she was playing and that the male porn star acted like he didn't listen because that was the part he was playing. No women d(lets go with 99% of them to please you ) don't want to have parts of them ripped open, they don't want to be punched, they don't want to hit in the face. ANY logical person knows this, so you arguing against it just reveals you, as the other poster pointed out, to be a misogynist troll. Which is nothing new or exciting, and simply shows how void of compassion and emotionally stunted you are on an article such as this

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No... it's real acts depicted in porn. Did you think this was special effects filmed on a green screen?

This circular nonsense is getting really old. Stop acting like those real acts aren't consensual and scripted with the full, willing, informed participation of all parties involved.

Many of the acts are not planned or scripted. In fact in the Frontline special a PP was kind enough to link (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/ Thanks PP) the porn maker specifically admits that the woman involved does not know the extent of the violent scenario they have planned for her. It happens ALL THE TIME.

And again- does consent make it suddenly alright? If you agree to let someone pull your teeth out for money, is it okay for people to watch it and enjoy it? Does that make it suddenly morally permissible?

Morally permissible? If I want to make money by having someone pay to watch me have my teeth pulled, why yes, I argue, it's entirely morally permissible. What makes you think it is "immoral?"

So you have no problem with "Bum Fights" then? With the story of the homeless man who had hot coffee poured on him for $20?

First, why do you think it's immoral for someone to pay me to watch me have my teeth pulled?

You're fine with people jerking off to you writhing in pain?

Actually, let me rephrase. You said it's not about the audience, but the "actor." So why is it immoral for me to be paid for this?

There would be no moral transgression on your part, but only on the part of the people who paid you and the people who take pleasure in it.

Now, since I've entertained your quite obvious and almost patronizingly stupid questions, please answer both of mine.

Okay so you can then agree that there is nothing immoral with me agreeing to have someone pull my teeth. Only that the people watching and supposedly "deriving pleasure" are immoral.

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Wow, y'all are both pretty annoying.

For some reason, I've participated in this thread, off and on. It has been filled with juvenile posters who can only quote entire blocks without editing. If you're just going to post inanities, please cut the gigantic quotes.

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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Do you really think women are CHOOSING to be sodomized, ejaculated on, gagged, slapped, beaten and throttled? I don't think so. It's amazing how far some people will go to try and justify abuse and torture for titillation but it's not surprising. There's a troll on here that really hates women.

Yes, they chose to do this in exchange for payment.

Also, it may shock you to learn, some people (many of whom are women) DO enjoy these things, even without being paid or filmed.

NP. No one in their right mind would enjoy being beaten, slapped, throttled. You are crazy.

You obvious have nooooo idea about the BDSM society...but you know...ignorance is bliss.

BDSM is a FERISH meaning it's enjoyed by a relatively small portion of the population. And yet what you described in your post is not just fetish work it's part of mainstream porn. Meaning we can be absolutely certain that not everyone who films these scenes is into it. Even still, much of the violence in porn comes as a surprise- omg act, that's the very point of the article OP posted- how painful the actress acted like the sex was because that was the part she was playing and that the male porn star acted like he didn't listen because that was the part he was playing. No women d(lets go with 99% of them to please you ) don't want to have parts of them ripped open, they don't want to be punched, they don't want to hit in the face. ANY logical person knows this, so you arguing against it just reveals you, as the other poster pointed out, to be a misogynist troll. Which is nothing new or exciting, and simply shows how void of compassion and emotionally stunted you are on an article such as this

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No... it's real acts depicted in porn. Did you think this was special effects filmed on a green screen?

This circular nonsense is getting really old. Stop acting like those real acts aren't consensual and scripted with the full, willing, informed participation of all parties involved.

Many of the acts are not planned or scripted. In fact in the Frontline special a PP was kind enough to link (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/ Thanks PP) the porn maker specifically admits that the woman involved does not know the extent of the violent scenario they have planned for her. It happens ALL THE TIME.

And again- does consent make it suddenly alright? If you agree to let someone pull your teeth out for money, is it okay for people to watch it and enjoy it? Does that make it suddenly morally permissible?

Morally permissible? If I want to make money by having someone pay to watch me have my teeth pulled, why yes, I argue, it's entirely morally permissible. What makes you think it is "immoral?"

So you have no problem with "Bum Fights" then? With the story of the homeless man who had hot coffee poured on him for $20?

First, why do you think it's immoral for someone to pay me to watch me have my teeth pulled?

You're fine with people jerking off to you writhing in pain?

Actually, let me rephrase. You said it's not about the audience, but the "actor." So why is it immoral for me to be paid for this?

There would be no moral transgression on your part, but only on the part of the people who paid you and the people who take pleasure in it.

Now, since I've entertained your quite obvious and almost patronizingly stupid questions, please answer both of mine.

Okay so you can then agree that there is nothing immoral with me agreeing to have someone pull my teeth. Only that the people watching and supposedly "deriving pleasure" are immoral.

I never said the porn stars are doing anything immoral- that's the opposite of what I believe. My position has consistently been that it is immoral to inflict violence and abuse on someone.

Why did you put "deriving pleasure" in quotes? Surely you realize that's the point of porn?

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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

It's a good thing these women are portraying abuse and torture, not being abused and tortured. And yes, the distinction is real and important.

Actually they ARE being abused and tortured. These are real women, in real situations, with real stuff being done to their body.

And yes, the damage done to them is very real and very important.

the women CHOSE to do that. what is it that you cannot understand about someone choosing to do something that you do not like?

Do you really think women are CHOOSING to be sodomized, ejaculated on, gagged, slapped, beaten and throttled? I don't think so. It's amazing how far some people will go to try and justify abuse and torture for titillation but it's not surprising. There's a troll on here that really hates women.

Yes, they chose to do this in exchange for payment.

Also, it may shock you to learn, some people (many of whom are women) DO enjoy these things, even without being paid or filmed.

NP. No one in their right mind would enjoy being beaten, slapped, throttled. You are crazy.

You obvious have nooooo idea about the BDSM society...but you know...ignorance is bliss.

BDSM is a FERISH meaning it's enjoyed by a relatively small portion of the population. And yet what you described in your post is not just fetish work it's part of mainstream porn. Meaning we can be absolutely certain that not everyone who films these scenes is into it. Even still, much of the violence in porn comes as a surprise- omg act, that's the very point of the article OP posted- how painful the actress acted like the sex was because that was the part she was playing and that the male porn star acted like he didn't listen because that was the part he was playing. No women d(lets go with 99% of them to please you ) don't want to have parts of them ripped open, they don't want to be punched, they don't want to hit in the face. ANY logical person knows this, so you arguing against it just reveals you, as the other poster pointed out, to be a misogynist troll. Which is nothing new or exciting, and simply shows how void of compassion and emotionally stunted you are on an article such as this

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No... it's real acts depicted in porn. Did you think this was special effects filmed on a green screen?

This circular nonsense is getting really old. Stop acting like those real acts aren't consensual and scripted with the full, willing, informed participation of all parties involved.

Many of the acts are not planned or scripted. In fact in the Frontline special a PP was kind enough to link (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/ Thanks PP) the porn maker specifically admits that the woman involved does not know the extent of the violent scenario they have planned for her. It happens ALL THE TIME.

And again- does consent make it suddenly alright? If you agree to let someone pull your teeth out for money, is it okay for people to watch it and enjoy it? Does that make it suddenly morally permissible?

Morally permissible? If I want to make money by having someone pay to watch me have my teeth pulled, why yes, I argue, it's entirely morally permissible. What makes you think it is "immoral?"

So you have no problem with "Bum Fights" then? With the story of the homeless man who had hot coffee poured on him for $20?

First, why do you think it's immoral for someone to pay me to watch me have my teeth pulled?

You're fine with people jerking off to you writhing in pain?

Why is it immoral?

Because you're taking pleasure in other people being in pain? I mean... do you know the definition of "immoral"?

Now to answer both of my questions.

Stop answering a different question (you're floundering here). You asked ME whether I'd be okay if someone paid me to watch me have my teeth pulled. I'm the one with the teeth in your question. Why is it immoral if I agree?

Your strategy seems to be asking the same questions repeatedly in the hope that somehow the answers will change? If there's a definition of floundering, I think that might just be it.

There would be no moral transgression on your part, but only on the part of the people who paid you and the people who take pleasure in it.

Now, since I've entertained your quite obvious and almost patronizingly stupid questions, please answer both of mine.

Truly, you seem like you have a point of view here but you've been really unclear about it is you're arguing. One minute it's about the actresses, the next it is the audience. I'm just asking specific questions to see what your point really is. There's some overlap of posting back and forth so that's why it seems repetitive.

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Anonymous wrote:Women don't WANT to be abused and tortured.

Why is it immoral?

Because you're taking pleasure in other people being in pain? I mean... do you know the definition of "immoral"?

Now to answer both of my questions.

Stop answering a different question (you're floundering here). You asked ME whether I'd be okay if someone paid me to watch me have my teeth pulled. I'm the one with the teeth in your question. Why is it immoral if I agree?

Your strategy seems to be asking the same questions repeatedly in the hope that somehow the answers will change? If there's a definition of floundering, I think that might just be it.

There would be no moral transgression on your part, but only on the part of the people who paid you and the people who take pleasure in it.

Now, since I've entertained your quite obvious and almost patronizingly stupid questions, please answer both of mine.

Truly, you seem like you have a point of view here but you've been really unclear about it is you're arguing. One minute it's about the actresses, the next it is the audience. I'm just asking specific questions to see what your point really is. There's some overlap of posting back and forth so that's why it seems repetitive.

I am not trying to be patronizing, and I mean this- but I'm truly unclear how you could even come to that conclusion. Did you think when I posted the article, that I was horrified with the actress's behavior? I mean... honestly?

The first post in the entire thread is "women don't WANT to be abused and tortured"... and you thought this was a condemnation of women?

I'm simply not buying that anyone could be that... lacking in mental capability. I think you tried an argument strategy which failed. But anyway, now you know.

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There have been so many ridiculous posters in this thread. Some have been sympathetic to the female actors while others have been dismissive of them. At least you've stopped throwing around "misogyny".

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I never said the porn stars are doing anything immoral- that's the opposite of what I believe. My position has consistently been that it is immoral to inflict violence and abuse on someone.

Why did you put "deriving pleasure" in quotes? Surely you realize that's the point of porn?

Porn stars agree to the "teeth pulling" - your metaphor - for money. Nothing wrong with that, you said.

Now you want to talk about there being something wrong with people (men and women) who get off on watching violent porn, and any sort of bad social consequences that are a result of his, you'll get no argument from me.

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Anonymous wrote:There have been so many ridiculous posters in this thread. Some have been sympathetic to the female actors while others have been dismissive of them. At least you've stopped throwing around "misogyny".

There have been, yourself included. And the dismissal of female pain and experience is the definition of misogyny.

At least you gave up your ridiculous line of questioning.

Never answered my questions though. But that's okay, we know why

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of that stuff is fake including the sex.

You are a disgusting pig who doesn't want to acknowledge the reality of women's abuse. You want to sweep it under the rug. Too bad. It's real, and we're not going to hide it anymore.

DP

And you are too obtuse to understand that these are actors, acting?

Do you understand that murders in movies aren't really murdering people? It's a movie. It's fake.

After the porno scene is shot, they clean up, get dressed, help the crew pack up the lights and gear, and then they all probably go to Chipotle or get drinks.

You didn't read the article, did you?

Please, for the love of God, READ ARTICLES before commenting. My Lord. How embarrassing to weigh in so authoritatively and you're just 1000% incorrect.

Not very good at math, are you?

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I never said the porn stars are doing anything immoral- that's the opposite of what I believe. My position has consistently been that it is immoral to inflict violence and abuse on someone.

Why did you put "deriving pleasure" in quotes? Surely you realize that's the point of porn?

Porn stars agree to the "teeth pulling" - your metaphor - for money. Nothing wrong with that, you said.

Now you want to talk about there being something wrong with people (men and women) who get off on watching violent porn, and any sort of bad social consequences that are a result of his, you'll get no argument from me.

I'll direct you to my earlier post about how that was my position all along, and it takes a truly epic leap of imagination to have thought anyone else. Cognitive difficulties, perhaps

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of that stuff is fake including the sex.

You are a disgusting pig who doesn't want to acknowledge the reality of women's abuse. You want to sweep it under the rug. Too bad. It's real, and we're not going to hide it anymore.

DP

And you are too obtuse to understand that these are actors, acting?

Do you understand that murders in movies aren't really murdering people? It's a movie. It's fake.

After the porno scene is shot, they clean up, get dressed, help the crew pack up the lights and gear, and then they all probably go to Chipotle or get drinks.

You didn't read the article, did you?

Please, for the love of God, READ ARTICLES before commenting. My Lord. How embarrassing to weigh in so authoritatively and you're just 1000% incorrect.

Not very good at math, are you?

Guilty as charged. I'm great at it

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Anonymous wrote:There have been so many ridiculous posters in this thread. Some have been sympathetic to the female actors while others have been dismissive of them. At least you've stopped throwing around "misogyny".

There have been, yourself included. And the dismissal of female pain and experience is the definition of misogyny.

At least you gave up your ridiculous line of questioning.

Never answered my questions though. But that's okay, we know why

This anonymous format is confusing for you, it seems. I'm not the one who's been doing those epic block quotes. I'm DP.