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Read it over and over. I think he was drunk when he wrote this. It is not inspirational or even coherent.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

That's really not what I wrote, but you do you.

That’s exactly what you said, and I get why your husband would think that way. Kenyon attracts elite liberal arts college rejects. Grinnell attracts a different kind of apppicant.

"The husband of an anonymous poster from Midwest" - where did you get any of that?

I didn't say DH's opinion was definitive - just what his perception is as a graduate of what has been the #1 liberal arts college in the US multiple times over the last decade (maybe more). He has hired, or had people hire, a lot of people over the last two decades. While he knew about Carleton and Kenyon, Grinnell hadn't pierced his radar. FWIW, I had mentioned the various rankings of the schools in which DC is interested, so now DH is aware though doesn't seem to care as it is ultimately DC's choice. His college counselor thinks DC has a shot at both Grinnell and Kenyon, but we think he is going with the "elite liberal arts college rejects."

IDKYIRL, but the vibe here is neither compassionate nor kind.

Well, if he's a graduate of Williams and has never heard of Grinnell then he's an idiot.

Grinnell isn't very well known. It's got a big endorsement and has gotten better by throwing around merit aid. But it still isn't well known nationally. And Iowa, especially as it has turned hard to the right, isn't where most kids want to be. Kenyon is at least closer to civilization, even if also in a rural area. And definitely mote people know it.

Yea Grinnell is a Johnny come lately college. That’s why it was ranked as a top ten liberal arts college by US News in its first edition nearly 40 years ago. And yea, nobody wants to go to college in Iowa now that it’s turned to the right, and that’s why Grinnell was overwhelmed with applications last year and had an acceptance rate of barely 10 percent.

Idiot.

LOL, that's not me you are replying to, but you continue to do you. Provincial or blinkered in this instance may be more appropriate to refer to my DH, but not idiot. Fairly certain your CV next to his would be found to be utterly lacking.

Lol now you’re bragging about your husband’s CV. How 1950s of you!

You called him an idiot, so consider it answered.

TBH, not PP, but have been living and working in DC for 30+ years and have yet to meet anyone who went to Grinnell or sent their kids there. i know it is in the top 20 for USNWR, but honestly never met anyone who went there (and like lots of others on here, spend most of my days around people who went to highly ranked colleges).

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The very small handful of Grinnell graduates I've come across went on to earn their PHDs and are now found in very obscure places teaching/studying interesting things, but with little profile or fanfare. The Kenyon graduates I know are more visible to me at least because I live in the DMV and also basically work in Chicago and there are tons of alums at both places, and also most I know went on to graduate professional degrees (JD/MBAs) now in jobs that intersect with my profession.

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Anonymous wrote:I attended parents' weekend this past weekend. I was surprised how much open partying there was. No attempt to hide or tamp down the wildness. Most surprising was the parents getting drunk with their kids and their kids friends. Is this the norm?

Hmmm . . . I didn't see any of that. Where and when, specifically, did you observe this?

Another Kenyon parent who was there this past weekend and didn’t see anything like that either.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

That's really not what I wrote, but you do you.

That’s exactly what you said, and I get why your husband would think that way. Kenyon attracts elite liberal arts college rejects. Grinnell attracts a different kind of apppicant.

"The husband of an anonymous poster from Midwest" - where did you get any of that?

I didn't say DH's opinion was definitive - just what his perception is as a graduate of what has been the #1 liberal arts college in the US multiple times over the last decade (maybe more). He has hired, or had people hire, a lot of people over the last two decades. While he knew about Carleton and Kenyon, Grinnell hadn't pierced his radar. FWIW, I had mentioned the various rankings of the schools in which DC is interested, so now DH is aware though doesn't seem to care as it is ultimately DC's choice. His college counselor thinks DC has a shot at both Grinnell and Kenyon, but we think he is going with the "elite liberal arts college rejects."

IDKYIRL, but the vibe here is neither compassionate nor kind.

Well, if he's a graduate of Williams and has never heard of Grinnell then he's an idiot.

Grinnell isn't very well known. It's got a big endorsement and has gotten better by throwing around merit aid. But it still isn't well known nationally. And Iowa, especially as it has turned hard to the right, isn't where most kids want to be. Kenyon is at least closer to civilization, even if also in a rural area. And definitely mote people know it.

Yea Grinnell is a Johnny come lately college. That’s why it was ranked as a top ten liberal arts college by US News in its first edition nearly 40 years ago. And yea, nobody wants to go to college in Iowa now that it’s turned to the right, and that’s why Grinnell was overwhelmed with applications last year and had an acceptance rate of barely 10 percent.

Idiot.

LOL, that's not me you are replying to, but you continue to do you. Provincial or blinkered in this instance may be more appropriate to refer to my DH, but not idiot. Fairly certain your CV next to his would be found to be utterly lacking.

Lol now you’re bragging about your husband’s CV. How 1950s of you!

You called him an idiot, so consider it answered.

I guarantee I make more money than your husband who is too smug to have heard of Grinnell.

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Anonymous wrote:The very small handful of Grinnell graduates I've come across went on to earn their PHDs and are now found in very obscure places teaching/studying interesting things, but with little profile or fanfare. The Kenyon graduates I know are more visible to me at least because I live in the DMV and also basically work in Chicago and there are tons of alums at both places, and also most I know went on to graduate professional degrees (JD/MBAs) now in jobs that intersect with my profession.

They attract different types of people. It’s not that Kenyon is a better school than Grinnell. It’s not.

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Anonymous wrote:I attended parents' weekend this past weekend. I was surprised how much open partying there was. No attempt to hide or tamp down the wildness. Most surprising was the parents getting drunk with their kids and their kids friends. Is this the norm?

Hmmm . . . I didn't see any of that. Where and when, specifically, did you observe this?

Another Kenyon parent who was there this past weekend and didn’t see anything like that either.

At the V?

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Anonymous wrote:The very small handful of Grinnell graduates I've come across went on to earn their PHDs and are now found in very obscure places teaching/studying interesting things, but with little profile or fanfare. The Kenyon graduates I know are more visible to me at least because I live in the DMV and also basically work in Chicago and there are tons of alums at both places, and also most I know went on to graduate professional degrees (JD/MBAs) now in jobs that intersect with my profession.

They attract different types of people. It’s not that Kenyon is a better school than Grinnell. It’s not.

The founding partner of Covington & Burling, which many consider the most elite Washington DC-based big law firm, is a Grinnell grad. He endowed the Grinnell’s library and it is named after his mother (the Burling Library). So, yea, over the years a few Grinnell grads have made their mark in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:The very small handful of Grinnell graduates I've come across went on to earn their PHDs and are now found in very obscure places teaching/studying interesting things, but with little profile or fanfare. The Kenyon graduates I know are more visible to me at least because I live in the DMV and also basically work in Chicago and there are tons of alums at both places, and also most I know went on to graduate professional degrees (JD/MBAs) now in jobs that intersect with my profession.

They attract different types of people. It’s not that Kenyon is a better school than Grinnell. It’s not.

The founding partner of Covington & Burling, which many consider the most elite Washington DC-based big law firm, is a Grinnell grad. He endowed the Grinnell’s library and it is named after his mother (the Burling Library). So, yea, over the years a few Grinnell grads have made their mark in DC.

Interesting. I worked at Covington a long time ago and my DS is applying ED to Grinnell.

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Anonymous wrote:The very small handful of Grinnell graduates I've come across went on to earn their PHDs and are now found in very obscure places teaching/studying interesting things, but with little profile or fanfare. The Kenyon graduates I know are more visible to me at least because I live in the DMV and also basically work in Chicago and there are tons of alums at both places, and also most I know went on to graduate professional degrees (JD/MBAs) now in jobs that intersect with my profession.

They attract different types of people. It’s not that Kenyon is a better school than Grinnell. It’s not.

The founding partner of Covington & Burling, which many consider the most elite Washington DC-based big law firm, is a Grinnell grad. He endowed the Grinnell’s library and it is named after his mother (the Burling Library). So, yea, over the years a few Grinnell grads have made their mark in DC.

LOL. Grinnell grad makes it in DC . . . 100+ years ago. So happy that he founded Big Tobacco's go-to law firm.

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Anonymous wrote:Apart from English, what are the other popular majors?

Film, Creative Writing.

Lots of kids major in things I've never really heard of (I think they can make up their major), but it's just basically a pre-law, pre-med, pre-business school track.

A lot of LAC grads go on to graduate school (and not only for law, med or business--there's more to grad schools than those three). I found this stat on a cursory search just now--40 percent of LAC grads go on to grad school. https://www.bestcolleges.com/blog/is-a-liberal-arts-degree-worth-it/

Phrasing it as "it's just basically a [grad school] track" is pretty dismissive-sounding. Yeah, LAC students can major in things that are not hardcore "walk into a job" subjects. Some then go on to grad school to further those interests. They're not just killing time messing around for four years before they then have to buckle down for law school etc.

And no, I have no stake in this thread re: Kenyon, Grinnell, anywhere else. DC goes to a LAC not discussed here except a mention very early on. DC's major would make many parents here faint with terrifying visions of flipping burgers after graduation. Meh. We're pleased DC is doing something of real interest and engagement, and is smart enough to be investigating ways that the subject can be parlayed into actual jobs. And yeah, likely will go to grad school but I guarantee it won't be law, med or business.....

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Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

That's really not what I wrote, but you do you.

That’s exactly what you said, and I get why your husband would think that way. Kenyon attracts elite liberal arts college rejects. Grinnell attracts a different kind of apppicant.

"The husband of an anonymous poster from Midwest" - where did you get any of that?

I didn't say DH's opinion was definitive - just what his perception is as a graduate of what has been the #1 liberal arts college in the US multiple times over the last decade (maybe more). He has hired, or had people hire, a lot of people over the last two decades. While he knew about Carleton and Kenyon, Grinnell hadn't pierced his radar. FWIW, I had mentioned the various rankings of the schools in which DC is interested, so now DH is aware though doesn't seem to care as it is ultimately DC's choice. His college counselor thinks DC has a shot at both Grinnell and Kenyon, but we think he is going with the "elite liberal arts college rejects."

IDKYIRL, but the vibe here is neither compassionate nor kind.

Well, if he's a graduate of Williams and has never heard of Grinnell then he's an idiot.

Grinnell isn't very well known. It's got a big endorsement and has gotten better by throwing around merit aid. But it still isn't well known nationally. And Iowa, especially as it has turned hard to the right, isn't where most kids want to be. Kenyon is at least closer to civilization, even if also in a rural area. And definitely mote people know it.

Yea Grinnell is a Johnny come lately college. That’s why it was ranked as a top ten liberal arts college by US News in its first edition nearly 40 years ago. And yea, nobody wants to go to college in Iowa now that it’s turned to the right, and that’s why Grinnell was overwhelmed with applications last year and had an acceptance rate of barely 10 percent.

Idiot.

LOL, that's not me you are replying to, but you continue to do you. Provincial or blinkered in this instance may be more appropriate to refer to my DH, but not idiot. Fairly certain your CV next to his would be found to be utterly lacking.

Lol now you’re bragging about your husband’s CV. How 1950s of you!

You called him an idiot, so consider it answered.

I guarantee I make more money than your husband who is too smug to have heard of Grinnell.

And I guarantee you do not. Easily so. Also, simply because he never heard of Grinnell doesn't mean he is "too smug" - one doesn't necessarily follow the other.

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Anonymous wrote:The very small handful of Grinnell graduates I've come across went on to earn their PHDs and are now found in very obscure places teaching/studying interesting things, but with little profile or fanfare. The Kenyon graduates I know are more visible to me at least because I live in the DMV and also basically work in Chicago and there are tons of alums at both places, and also most I know went on to graduate professional degrees (JD/MBAs) now in jobs that intersect with my profession.

They attract different types of people. It’s not that Kenyon is a better school than Grinnell. It’s not.

The founding partner of Covington & Burling, which many consider the most elite Washington DC-based big law firm, is a Grinnell grad. He endowed the Grinnell’s library and it is named after his mother (the Burling Library). So, yea, over the years a few Grinnell grads have made their mark in DC.

Nice library!

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Anonymous wrote:The very small handful of Grinnell graduates I've come across went on to earn their PHDs and are now found in very obscure places teaching/studying interesting things, but with little profile or fanfare. The Kenyon graduates I know are more visible to me at least because I live in the DMV and also basically work in Chicago and there are tons of alums at both places, and also most I know went on to graduate professional degrees (JD/MBAs) now in jobs that intersect with my profession.

They attract different types of people. It’s not that Kenyon is a better school than Grinnell. It’s not.

Where did the PP claim in that post that Kenyon was a better school? The poster simply observed that they have met more Kenyon grads than Grinnell, that the Grinnell grads they've known are in academia/similar professions, and the Kenyon grads they know hold professional degrees. That's it.

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Good LAC. Pretty campus. A friend went there years ago and is very successful now. Don't know anyone else who went there aside from Paul Newman.