Men: Would you date a woman who did not have a "real job"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, I have always thought that HRC is not a bad looking woman but wonder what in the world women see in him? Maybe he is super alpha in real life but not athletic and comes off as douchy. The kind of guy other men don't like.

Getting back to the question, I could never seriously take a woman without a real job UNLESS she was also busting her ass in college trying to better herself. Ambition and drive are very important to me. Plus, I like women you can have an actually conversation with, not someone whose biggest accomplishment on a particular day was getting her nails done.

This does not sound like a straight man.

Most men know immediately what women like about Bill: charisma and power.

Very few men like a woman with "ambition and drive." Maybe guys who are looking for the gravy train?

Science backs this up. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110524070310.htm

"participants rated the sexual attractiveness of hundreds of images of the opposite sex engaged in universal displays of happiness (broad smiles), pride (raised heads, puffed-up chests) and shame (lowered heads, averted eyes).

The study found . . . male participants were most sexually attracted to women who looked happy, and least attracted to women who appeared proud and confident."

I have several friends where they are both super athletic -- couples where both were Div I athletes in college and both compete as adults, although not necessarily in the same sports (like, one will bike and one will run). They all seem super happy. No question that both the husbands and wives in those couples are competitive and show pride and confidence, and I'm sure that's why they are attracted to each other. There is no one-size-fits-all explanation about what "men" and "women" like. Some people are happier with someone who supports them and some people are happier with someone who pushes them (or, that may be how they define "support").

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, I have always thought that HRC is not a bad looking woman but wonder what in the world women see in him? Maybe he is super alpha in real life but not athletic and comes off as douchy. The kind of guy other men don't like.

Getting back to the question, I could never seriously take a woman without a real job UNLESS she was also busting her ass in college trying to better herself. Ambition and drive are very important to me. Plus, I like women you can have an actually conversation with, not someone whose biggest accomplishment on a particular day was getting her nails done.

This does not sound like a straight man.

Most men know immediately what women like about Bill: charisma and power.

Very few men like a woman with "ambition and drive." Maybe guys who are looking for the gravy train?

Science backs this up. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110524070310.htm

"participants rated the sexual attractiveness of hundreds of images of the opposite sex engaged in universal displays of happiness (broad smiles), pride (raised heads, puffed-up chests) and shame (lowered heads, averted eyes).

The study found . . . male participants were most sexually attracted to women who looked happy, and least attracted to women who appeared proud and confident."

LOL, I'm straight. I mentioned that Bill is super alpha but just looking at a picture he doesn't seem that way. Maybe you have to see him in real life.... And you're right, just looking for a gravy train here - want someone with pump shoes and a 50lb briefcase earning them big bucks so I can sit at home and do the dishes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, I have always thought that HRC is not a bad looking woman but wonder what in the world women see in him? Maybe he is super alpha in real life but not athletic and comes off as douchy. The kind of guy other men don't like.

Getting back to the question, I could never seriously take a woman without a real job UNLESS she was also busting her ass in college trying to better herself. Ambition and drive are very important to me. Plus, I like women you can have an actually conversation with, not someone whose biggest accomplishment on a particular day was getting her nails done.

This does not sound like a straight man.

Most men know immediately what women like about Bill: charisma and power.

Very few men like a woman with "ambition and drive." Maybe guys who are looking for the gravy train?

Science backs this up. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110524070310.htm

"participants rated the sexual attractiveness of hundreds of images of the opposite sex engaged in universal displays of happiness (broad smiles), pride (raised heads, puffed-up chests) and shame (lowered heads, averted eyes).

The study found . . . male participants were most sexually attracted to women who looked happy, and least attracted to women who appeared proud and confident."

LOL, I'm straight. I mentioned that Bill is super alpha but just looking at a picture he doesn't seem that way. Maybe you have to see him in real life.... And you're right, just looking for a gravy train here - want someone with pump shoes and a 50lb briefcase earning them big bucks so I can sit at home and do the dishes.

That sounds about right.

You go with your LOLs and referring to men as alphas, you straight man you.

[Anonymous]

It is so interesting, you leave your children for 8-10 hours a day with someone who does not have a real job - hmmm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is so interesting, you leave your children for 8-10 hours a day with someone who does not have a real job - hmmm

So you would date a male nanny? LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a single accomplished/successful/over-educated from a top university woman over 50 years old. Guys are not lining up to date me because of my accomplishments.

I think it could be generational. Im probably 10 years or so younger and when I was in prime dating years in my 20s I had no trouble. I think men of your generation might be like some of these posters who say they don't care about or actively dislike ambition, but it doesn't seem to be true in my experience of ambitious, highly educated men in born 1970 or later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is so interesting, you leave your children for 8-10 hours a day with someone who does not have a real job - hmmm

So you would date a male nanny? LOL

Absolutely. Childcare is an honorable profession.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a single accomplished/successful/over-educated from a top university woman over 50 years old. Guys are not lining up to date me because of my accomplishments.

50-year-old women often seem to be holding out for the One, trying to "marry well", whatever. You all do your share of excluding from consideration, trying to stay single.

[Anonymous]

As a bonus, we smart nannies will be so grateful for adult conversation at the end of the day. The conversation at my house last night , after I spent 14 hrs with two small children, was about Egyptian mythology and how the focus on death may have eventually led to the decline of that empire.
But we service workers are too stupid for true conversations. :/

[Anonymous]

Women who compete with men lack ambition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Men would you date a woman who was:

- a waitress
- a retail sales associate
- a nanny

and other such jobs. Why or why not?

you

Managing a household with kids is a "real job." Real men realize this. If you're working outside the home, then you need cleaners, cooks, nannies or a husband who truly takes on 50 percent of these duties. (These are few and far between, especially among high earners).
I support both.
Feminism is about choice, not judging the choices others make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Men would you date a woman who was:

- a waitress
- a retail sales associate
- a nanny

and other such jobs. Why or why not?

These are all real jobs.

[Anonymous]

Double-Ivy female attorney married to an enlisted Marine.

He's hot, kind, responsible, did I mention hot, and the most decent and loyal human being I've ever met.

I've seen my work friends and former classmates grow fed up with their pasty, douchy, lawyer husbands who can't do their own damned oil change and complain when they get the slightest little sniffle. More than one has expressed that they'd trade places with me in a heartbeat.

Military is a real job-- more real than reading corporate contracts for 12 hours per day if you ask me -- but the pay isn't fantastic by any stretch and my DH doesn't have a degree.

Not all of us want a meal ticket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is so interesting, you leave your children for 8-10 hours a day with someone who does not have a real job - hmmm

So insecure - how will you gain self esteem once your children are too old for childcare? It helps then to have a real job to fall back on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a single accomplished/successful/over-educated from a top university woman over 50 years old. Guys are not lining up to date me because of my accomplishments.

I think it could be generational. Im probably 10 years or so younger and when I was in prime dating years in my 20s I had no trouble. I think men of your generation might be like some of these posters who say they don't care about or actively dislike ambition, but it doesn't seem to be true in my experience of ambitious, highly educated men in born 1970 or later.

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