Supreme Court revisits Texas affirmative action in new case

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Anonymous wrote:...and, in addition to that, studies have shown that grades are more indicative of success then test scores.

If you're interested in how well test score predict college performance:

http://www.isironline.org/isir-2015-invited-address-paul-sackett-nathan-kuncel/

They have a dataset that show that test scores predict academic performance quite well, and do so regardless of race, SES and gender. The sample size was 1.2 million college students.

This has been refuted. High SAT scores are correlated to high SES. When I get a moment, I will post. Especially, when it comes to LSAT and bar passage rates.

No, this hasn't been refuted. It's a brand new study with 1.2 million participants (college board data). Most of other studies were very small sample size or were manipulated to get the results the author wanted. Watch the presentation, it's very illuminating.

What will it prove? That only kids with high SAT scores should go to college? That only a subset of our population deserve to be there? That colleges should only use test scores for admission? That our society is better if we only employ people who scored well? Please - illuminate me.

Yes? Do you think everybody is college material?

Depends on the race.

Non-black applicant with 2370 SAT, 4.0 and 4.6 gpa, 12+ APs all 5s, 800 on all subject tests, sport, orchestra, 2 major leadership positions, extensive volunteering, original research at University, internships at research labs, writing award and writing tutor, 3 foreign languages, excellent clubs and ECs, excellent LORs etc. denied to all colleges except one. Low SES with no advantages.

A black applicant with the above qualifications would have been admitted to all of the colleges. Depends on the race.

I don't believe the above for a second. Bullshit. Name? Details?

Why don't you believe it. Even more impressive accomplishments were left out for privacy reasons.

That's bullshit. If you read this thread, you would believe that black students make up 50% of ivy leagues schools, when in fact, it's less then 5%. The reason that kid didn't get in had nothing to do with a black student taking his place. Maybe the kid was weird or a dud.

It is not bullshit. There are many cases where extremely qualified applicants are rejected by top schools if they lack any "hooks". The top schools (except maybe Caltech, Berkeley and Michigan) accept only about 10-15% of the applicants based on merit. Rest of the students are accepted under legacy, sports, URM, connections etc. It's a corrupt system. At least 50% of the acceptances should be based on merit.

College admission is all about hooks - even as a black student. A middle of the road black student who plays basketball is not getting in. A black student who speaks latin and is the captain of the lacross team is getting in. It's about hooks across the board. I don't think that will ever change or they will get the same boring students.

Actually they get tons of boring students right now - how many elite black rappers, producers, entertainers, etc go to the ivy league? none - most of the blacks in the ivy league are ultra boring or basic blipster types.

If private schools want to make it about 'interesting' kids, they would never have the mix they have now.

elite privates are filled with super boring risk-averse kids.

PP - sorry forgot about john legend. ok 1.

I mean if elite schools are saying they need to bend on urms because they need more non-boring swaggy kids on campus, because asians are boring, you would think a kendrick lamar, ab-soul, mos def, common, nas, etc would be coming out of the ivy league.

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I never said they weren't boring, I said they had hooks. The example I used was a black kid who speaks latin and plays lacrosse. Boring.

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Anonymous wrote:...and, in addition to that, studies have shown that grades are more indicative of success then test scores.

If you're interested in how well test score predict college performance:

http://www.isironline.org/isir-2015-invited-address-paul-sackett-nathan-kuncel/

They have a dataset that show that test scores predict academic performance quite well, and do so regardless of race, SES and gender. The sample size was 1.2 million college students.

This has been refuted. High SAT scores are correlated to high SES. When I get a moment, I will post. Especially, when it comes to LSAT and bar passage rates.

No, this hasn't been refuted. It's a brand new study with 1.2 million participants (college board data). Most of other studies were very small sample size or were manipulated to get the results the author wanted. Watch the presentation, it's very illuminating.

What will it prove? That only kids with high SAT scores should go to college? That only a subset of our population deserve to be there? That colleges should only use test scores for admission? That our society is better if we only employ people who scored well? Please - illuminate me.

Yes? Do you think everybody is college material?

Depends on the race.

Non-black applicant with 2370 SAT, 4.0 and 4.6 gpa, 12+ APs all 5s, 800 on all subject tests, sport, orchestra, 2 major leadership positions, extensive volunteering, original research at University, internships at research labs, writing award and writing tutor, 3 foreign languages, excellent clubs and ECs, excellent LORs etc. denied to all colleges except one. Low SES with no advantages.

A black applicant with the above qualifications would have been admitted to all of the colleges. Depends on the race.

I don't believe the above for a second. Bullshit. Name? Details?

Why don't you believe it. Even more impressive accomplishments were left out for privacy reasons.

That's bullshit. If you read this thread, you would believe that black students make up 50% of ivy leagues schools, when in fact, it's less then 5%. The reason that kid didn't get in had nothing to do with a black student taking his place. Maybe the kid was weird or a dud.

i read this thread, and never got the impression that black students make up 50% of ivy league schools.

do you BS for fun?

I said you would believe that they did. People are upset over 5%. I don't get it. Why else would folks be so upset. Don't say fair, bc then you have to address legacies and everything else, which most black kids don't ever get the benefit of.

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Anonymous wrote:...and, in addition to that, studies have shown that grades are more indicative of success then test scores.

If you're interested in how well test score predict college performance:

http://www.isironline.org/isir-2015-invited-address-paul-sackett-nathan-kuncel/

They have a dataset that show that test scores predict academic performance quite well, and do so regardless of race, SES and gender. The sample size was 1.2 million college students.

This has been refuted. High SAT scores are correlated to high SES. When I get a moment, I will post. Especially, when it comes to LSAT and bar passage rates.

No, this hasn't been refuted. It's a brand new study with 1.2 million participants (college board data). Most of other studies were very small sample size or were manipulated to get the results the author wanted. Watch the presentation, it's very illuminating.

What will it prove? That only kids with high SAT scores should go to college? That only a subset of our population deserve to be there? That colleges should only use test scores for admission? That our society is better if we only employ people who scored well? Please - illuminate me.

Yes? Do you think everybody is college material?

Depends on the race.

Non-black applicant with 2370 SAT, 4.0 and 4.6 gpa, 12+ APs all 5s, 800 on all subject tests, sport, orchestra, 2 major leadership positions, extensive volunteering, original research at University, internships at research labs, writing award and writing tutor, 3 foreign languages, excellent clubs and ECs, excellent LORs etc. denied to all colleges except one. Low SES with no advantages.

A black applicant with the above qualifications would have been admitted to all of the colleges. Depends on the race.

I don't believe the above for a second. Bullshit. Name? Details?

Why don't you believe it. Even more impressive accomplishments were left out for privacy reasons.

That's bullshit. If you read this thread, you would believe that black students make up 50% of ivy leagues schools, when in fact, it's less then 5%. The reason that kid didn't get in had nothing to do with a black student taking his place. Maybe the kid was weird or a dud.

i read this thread, and never got the impression that black students make up 50% of ivy league schools.

do you BS for fun?

I said you would believe that they did. People are upset over 5%. I don't get it. Why else would folks be so upset. Don't say fair, bc then you have to address legacies and everything else, which most black kids don't ever get the benefit of.

Blacks make up about 11 to 12% of Ivy League Schools on average not 5%. Blacks applicants do not need legacies since they have a arguably a better hook.

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Black's are 11% of Harvard. Typically 5-8 percent of others.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal but I'm so ready for affirmative action to be over.

Why, hello there, person who is not actually a liberal.

+1. It's an old game some folks play and totally played out.

Actually, it's a game DCUM liberals play so they can stay in denial.

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Anonymous wrote:Black's are 11% of Harvard. Typically 5-8 percent of others.

What percentage of the above figures had nothing to do with AA?

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Anonymous wrote:Black's are 11% of Harvard. Typically 5-8 percent of others.

What percentage of the above figures had nothing to do with AA?

Probably 1-2% would be AA if race was not considered.

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How in the shell do you know this. Please site specific facts!

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Meant hell

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Anonymous wrote:...and, in addition to that, studies have shown that grades are more indicative of success then test scores.

If you're interested in how well test score predict college performance:

http://www.isironline.org/isir-2015-invited-address-paul-sackett-nathan-kuncel/

They have a dataset that show that test scores predict academic performance quite well, and do so regardless of race, SES and gender. The sample size was 1.2 million college students.

This has been refuted. High SAT scores are correlated to high SES. When I get a moment, I will post. Especially, when it comes to LSAT and bar passage rates.

No, this hasn't been refuted. It's a brand new study with 1.2 million participants (college board data). Most of other studies were very small sample size or were manipulated to get the results the author wanted. Watch the presentation, it's very illuminating.

What will it prove? That only kids with high SAT scores should go to college? That only a subset of our population deserve to be there? That colleges should only use test scores for admission? That our society is better if we only employ people who scored well? Please - illuminate me.

Yes? Do you think everybody is college material?

Depends on the race.

Non-black applicant with 2370 SAT, 4.0 and 4.6 gpa, 12+ APs all 5s, 800 on all subject tests, sport, orchestra, 2 major leadership positions, extensive volunteering, original research at University, internships at research labs, writing award and writing tutor, 3 foreign languages, excellent clubs and ECs, excellent LORs etc. denied to all colleges except one. Low SES with no advantages.

A black applicant with the above qualifications would have been admitted to all of the colleges. Depends on the race.

I don't believe the above for a second. Bullshit. Name? Details?

Why don't you believe it. Even more impressive accomplishments were left out for privacy reasons.

That's bullshit. If you read this thread, you would believe that black students make up 50% of ivy leagues schools, when in fact, it's less then 5%. The reason that kid didn't get in had nothing to do with a black student taking his place. Maybe the kid was weird or a dud.

i read this thread, and never got the impression that black students make up 50% of ivy league schools.

do you BS for fun?

I said you would believe that they did. People are upset over 5%. I don't get it. Why else would folks be so upset. Don't say fair, bc then you have to address legacies and everything else, which most black kids don't ever get the benefit of.

Blacks make up about 11 to 12% of Ivy League Schools on average not 5%. Blacks applicants do not need legacies since they have a arguably a better hook.

Depends on the school. Harvard is high, Dartmouth is low. We don't need legacies? Then stop trying to take away the AA hook. You get that one, hands down. Damn, you want everything.

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Anonymous wrote:...and, in addition to that, studies have shown that grades are more indicative of success then test scores.

If you're interested in how well test score predict college performance:

http://www.isironline.org/isir-2015-invited-address-paul-sackett-nathan-kuncel/

They have a dataset that show that test scores predict academic performance quite well, and do so regardless of race, SES and gender. The sample size was 1.2 million college students.

This has been refuted. High SAT scores are correlated to high SES. When I get a moment, I will post. Especially, when it comes to LSAT and bar passage rates.

No, this hasn't been refuted. It's a brand new study with 1.2 million participants (college board data). Most of other studies were very small sample size or were manipulated to get the results the author wanted. Watch the presentation, it's very illuminating.

What will it prove? That only kids with high SAT scores should go to college? That only a subset of our population deserve to be there? That colleges should only use test scores for admission? That our society is better if we only employ people who scored well? Please - illuminate me.

Yes? Do you think everybody is college material?

Depends on the race.

Non-black applicant with 2370 SAT, 4.0 and 4.6 gpa, 12+ APs all 5s, 800 on all subject tests, sport, orchestra, 2 major leadership positions, extensive volunteering, original research at University, internships at research labs, writing award and writing tutor, 3 foreign languages, excellent clubs and ECs, excellent LORs etc. denied to all colleges except one. Low SES with no advantages.

A black applicant with the above qualifications would have been admitted to all of the colleges. Depends on the race.

I don't believe the above for a second. Bullshit. Name? Details?

Why don't you believe it. Even more impressive accomplishments were left out for privacy reasons.

That's bullshit. If you read this thread, you would believe that black students make up 50% of ivy leagues schools, when in fact, it's less then 5%. The reason that kid didn't get in had nothing to do with a black student taking his place. Maybe the kid was weird or a dud.

i read this thread, and never got the impression that black students make up 50% of ivy league schools.

do you BS for fun?

I said you would believe that they did. People are upset over 5%. I don't get it. Why else would folks be so upset. Don't say fair, bc then you have to address legacies and everything else, which most black kids don't ever get the benefit of.

Blacks make up about 11 to 12% of Ivy League Schools on average not 5%. Blacks applicants do not need legacies since they have a arguably a better hook.

Depends on the school. Harvard is high, Dartmouth is low. We don't need legacies? Then stop trying to take away the AA hook. You get that one, hands down. Damn, you want everything.

As someone involved in interviewing admission candidates at an Ivy League university, we are now seeing a number of URMs who are also legacies because their AA parents attended in the 1980s. Those kids can practically phone their application in.

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Again I call bs. I know many legacies not accepted from minority groups. Again with the fantasies of blacks having it so easy.

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Anonymous wrote:Again I call bs. I know many legacies not accepted from minority groups. Again with the fantasies of blacks having it so easy.

I am AA and know all of ONE person whose father attended an ivy. One. How many have you actually met? 5?

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Anonymous wrote:Again I call bs. I know many legacies not accepted from minority groups. Again with the fantasies of blacks having it so easy.

I am AA and know all of ONE person whose father attended an ivy. One. How many have you actually met? 5?

PP here - I meant this for the other poster.