Supreme Court revisits Texas affirmative action in new case

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Anonymous wrote:I think they shouldn't even ask for race on the application. And if you can tell race by the first or last name, maybe that should be left anonymous as well.

Interesting concept. How would you feel if individuals using ID numbers only resulted in ONE ethnic group known for extensive test preparation becomes 95% of every top 20 college? Your snowflake would be excluded with their paltry SAT 2200. All hell would break loose, and you know this.

Shouldn't you prepare for test?
Why someone should be punished for "extensive" test preparation while some other one should be rewarded by simply in the "correct" race and not work on "extensive" test preparation. You don't need to pay anything to prepare, just go to the library and there are books to help you prepare.

+1. Who didn't prepare for the SATs?

Any maybe as a society we might want the best and the brightest at our top colleges. Those are our future leaders, surgeons and mathematicians. Do we really want our top colleges dumbed down so that kids who didn't prep can get in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This time the Supreme Court is more likely to severely restrict or eliminate the use of race in college admissions.

""Every time they take one of these cases, I worry," said Sherrilyn Ifill, president and director-counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

Ifill's worry may be especially apt in Fisher's case because there is no split among lower courts to attract the justices' attention. In addition, Fisher herself will not benefit from the ruling because she graduated from Louisiana State University in 2012, and one liberal justice, Elena Kagan, is absent from the case due to her earlier work on it while serving in the Justice Department.

So it appears that the conservative justices have more they'd like to say about affirmative action."



http://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-revisits-texas-affirmative-action-case-080827673.html

Related to objective journalist Gwen, by any chance?

[Anonymous]

I'm a liberal but I'm so ready for affirmative action to be over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they shouldn't even ask for race on the application. And if you can tell race by the first or last name, maybe that should be left anonymous as well.

Interesting concept. How would you feel if individuals using ID numbers only resulted in ONE ethnic group known for extensive test preparation becomes 95% of every top 20 college? Your snowflake would be excluded with their paltry SAT 2200. All hell would break loose, and you know this.

Shouldn't you prepare for test?
Why someone should be punished for "extensive" test preparation while some other one should be rewarded by simply in the "correct" race and not work on "extensive" test preparation. You don't need to pay anything to prepare, just go to the library and there are books to help you prepare.

That may work for your kid but, lovingly, you are not the only game in town. My kid took a prep and was the only child of our ethnicity in the prep group. Nobody should be punished for extensive test preparation but it's not as cut and dry as you're trying to make it seem by just grabbing some test prep books and working the college board tests. College Confidential and other sites are LOADED with kids using your technique, useful as it can be, but who still did not get the desired score.

Btw, your argument about rewarded by simply being in the "correct" race should also apply to being in the "correct" legacy, the "correct" sport, the "correct" geographical location, the "correct" musical instrument or art.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they shouldn't even ask for race on the application. And if you can tell race by the first or last name, maybe that should be left anonymous as well.

Interesting concept. How would you feel if individuals using ID numbers only resulted in ONE ethnic group known for extensive test preparation becomes 95% of every top 20 college? Your snowflake would be excluded with their paltry SAT 2200. All hell would break loose, and you know this.

Shouldn't you prepare for test?
Why someone should be punished for "extensive" test preparation while some other one should be rewarded by simply in the "correct" race and not work on "extensive" test preparation. You don't need to pay anything to prepare, just go to the library and there are books to help you prepare.

+1. Who didn't prepare for the SATs?

Any maybe as a society we might want the best and the brightest at our top colleges. Those are our future leaders, surgeons and mathematicians. Do we really want our top colleges dumbed down so that kids who didn't prep can get in?

Huh?? You think HYP is taking dumbed down students regardless whether affirmative action or not? A prep does NOT guarantee you're getting a 2400.

There are students getting into HYP with 2000s SAT with high and perfect grade point averages from ALL ethnic groups. (throw in good ECs).

[Anonymous]

If Affirmative Action related to race was discontinued, I guarantee somebody would find something else to blame on students of color though they would've been admitted color blind. That's just the way human beings operate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal but I'm so ready for affirmative action to be over.

Why, hello there, person who is not actually a liberal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal but I'm so ready for affirmative action to be over.

Why, hello there, person who is not actually a liberal.

+1. It's an old game some folks play and totally played out.

[Anonymous]

Anyone know how early one has to be in line to get into see the oral argument like this one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone know how early one has to be in line to get into see the oral argument like this one?

Check with the Supreme Court. They may have a recorded message or, at the very least speak, with the operator.

[Anonymous]

In Texas 75% of a class is admitted using class rank, eg top 10 percent (now it is less than 10 percent). The remaining 25% is admitted holistically including a long list of factors. Race is one of those factors. Ms Fisher, a double legacy, did not meet the 10 percent threshold. To me the facts matter.

In addition, test scores are not everything. I don't think going to a system where test scores are the only factors considered. People successfully matriculate from colleges without perfect or even high test scores.

[Anonymous]

Affirmative action is not going anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Ms. Fisher is a UT Austin double legacy. She was actually admitted to and matriculated from LSU

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In Texas 75% of a class is admitted using class rank, eg top 10 percent (now it is less than 10 percent). The remaining 25% is admitted holistically including a long list of factors. Race is one of those factors. Ms Fisher, a double legacy, did not meet the 10 percent threshold. To me the facts matter.

In addition, test scores are not everything. I don't think going to a system where test scores are the only factors considered. People successfully matriculate from colleges without perfect or even high test scores.

Thanks for bringing it back to this. This case has bugged me for a while because her standing is so tenuous. She was not a competitive candidate to UT Austin, period, regardless of her race given aspects of her application. It was a reach school for her and she did not get in.

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She was also offered a slot at a UT satellite with the proviso that if she did well, she could transfer to UT Austin after a year or two.