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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]...and, in addition to that, studies have shown that grades are more indicative of success then test scores.[/quote]

If you're interested in how well test score predict college performance:

http://www.isironline.org/isir-2015-invited-address-paul-sackett-nathan-kuncel/

They have a dataset that show that test scores predict academic performance quite well, and do so regardless of race, SES and gender.  The sample size was 1.2 million college students. [/quote]

This has been refuted.  High SAT scores are correlated to high SES.  When I get a moment, I will post.  Especially, when it comes to LSAT and bar passage rates.[/quote]

No, this hasn't been refuted.  It's a brand new study with 1.2 million participants (college board data).  Most of other studies were very small sample size or were manipulated to get the results the author wanted. Watch the presentation, it's very illuminating.[/quote]

What will it prove?  That only kids with high SAT scores should go to college?  [b]That only a subset of our population deserve to be there[/b]?  That colleges should only use test scores for admission?  That our society is better if we only employ people who scored well?  Please - illuminate me.[/quote]

Yes?  Do you think everybody is college material?[/quote]

Depends on the race.

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Non-black applicant with 2370 SAT, 4.0 and 4.6 gpa, 12+ APs all 5s, 800 on all subject tests, sport, orchestra, 2 major leadership positions, extensive volunteering, original research at University, internships at research labs, writing award and writing tutor, 3 foreign languages, excellent clubs and ECs, excellent LORs etc. denied to all colleges except one. Low SES with no advantages.

A black applicant with the above qualifications would have been admitted to all of the colleges. Depends on the race.[/quote]

I don't believe the above for a second.  Bullshit.  Name? Details?[/quote]

Why don't you believe it. Even more impressive accomplishments were left out for privacy reasons.[/quote]

That's bullshit.  If you read this thread, you would believe that black students make up 50% of ivy leagues schools, when in fact, it's less then 5%.  The reason that kid didn't get in had nothing to do with a black student taking his place.  Maybe the kid was weird or a dud.  [/quote]

i read this thread, and never got the impression that black students make up 50% of ivy league schools.

do you BS for fun?[/quote]

I said you would believe that they did.  People are upset over 5%.  I don't get it.  Why else would folks be so upset.  Don't say fair, bc then you have to address legacies and everything else, which most black kids don't ever get the benefit of.[/quote]

Blacks make up about 11 to 12% of Ivy League Schools on average not 5%. Blacks applicants do not need legacies since they have a arguably a better hook. [/quote]

Depends on the school.  Harvard is high, Dartmouth is low.  We don't need legacies?  Then stop trying to take away the AA hook.  You get that one, hands down.  Damn, you want everything.[/quote]

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