Fairfax County School Board Votes to Teach 7th Graders about 'Gender Identy'

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Gender dysphoria used to be called “gender identity disorder.” But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness. Instead, what need to be addressed are the stress, anxiety, and depression that go along with it.
This new revelation is absolutely due to political pressure and is not based empirically AT ALL. Start pointing out clinicians who agree with this. We'll just wait while you do. I happen to be one and am shocked at the travesty of this fake medicine. But stranger things have happened. I believe this too shall pass. Physicians and other health professionals who've had our hands tied behind our backs in favor of a dangerous agenda will lie in wait. I think the people will be our salvation. There's no way classrooms of children with common sense are going to tolerate what they know to be illigitimate. They're going to fight back. Then the curriculum changes will be dropped.

But don't medical professionals swear to "do no harm"? Why is no one in the medical community standing up to the LGBT community? Obviously, it would be difficult and require tremendous courage, but isn't it their responsibility?

You're in la la land lady. We have families and lives. The government is not about to take that away. We simply tell teams patients we can't take them. Awful, yes. Real, yes. We've created a monster here and I didn't sign up for it. Not my fault and not my problem to fix. I agree the market place will take care of things. I just hope it won't take some mass murder incident where an untreated trans patient goes postal and kills a bunch of people. Public policy doesn't tend to change until their massive tragedy. C'est la vie in the good 'ole US of A.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they are going to teach trans 101 are they going to teach the full range of mental disorders? Why even go there my kid is here for math, science, English and history not psychiatry, they can learn that in college. Is there a trans or gay section in the sols or sats?

Band, orchestra, chorus, theatre, art... are also not on the SOLs or SATs and I fully support those in schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Gender dysphoria used to be called “gender identity disorder.” But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness. Instead, what need to be addressed are the stress, anxiety, and depression that go along with it.
This new revelation is absolutely due to political pressure and is not based empirically AT ALL. Start pointing out clinicians who agree with this. We'll just wait while you do. I happen to be one and am shocked at the travesty of this fake medicine. But stranger things have happened. I believe this too shall pass. Physicians and other health professionals who've had our hands tied behind our backs in favor of a dangerous agenda will lie in wait. I think the people will be our salvation. There's no way classrooms of children with common sense are going to tolerate what they know to be illigitimate. They're going to fight back. Then the curriculum changes will be dropped.

But don't medical professionals swear to "do no harm"? Why is no one in the medical community standing up to the LGBT community? Obviously, it would be difficult and require tremendous courage, but isn't it their responsibility?

Because they are bullied, manipulated, fired for speaking out, etc., just like anyone else who gets in the way of the gay lobby:

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/15b/DrChurch-BIDMC/index.html

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So, wait. Now you're claiming that straight people are being bullied and manipulated and fired by the gay lobby?

This thread has really taken a turn for the bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we're still learning a lot about the brain as time goes on. There was once a time when left handed people were considered sorcerers and the people who believed that were sincere in that belief. There was a time when dyslexic kids were just believed to be dumb or to have behavioral issues that prevented them from reading well and learning and that belief was sincere as well.

I honestly have no idea whether feeling transgendered is in fact a mental "problem" of some sort or just an area of the brain we're still discovering. And neither does anyone here.

Until we know more, I have no problem teaching my child that there are people who identify this way and that they, like everyone else, deserve respect, tolerance, and compassion.

Signed,
A Liberal Christian

I doubt you're a liberal Christian. Liberal Troll is more accurate. However, I'll play ball. Certainly, medical science is inexact and we don't know everything. But, to rely on that and to question the very nature of knowledge so that you can support a clear abnormality is foolhardy and dangerous. Science is a basis of what it is can never reveal the truth of everything and yet we rely on it to make sense of our world. A penis is a hard thing to deny and yet it is the best evidence we have that the human being with one is a man. Science, as we have and know it, fully supports that assumption. All you've got is the shoddy and hallow argument of "we don't know" because you question the nature of epistomology. Good luck with that.

PP here. I really don't know why you would doubt my identity unless you don't believe there are such things as liberal Christians, which is just ill-informed. I'm a 50 year old mother and lifelong Presbyterian, fwiw. I believe you've missed my point entirely though if you can't get past "science, as we have an know it..." That was my point. There is still a lot we don't know. There are genetic quirks that happen in the womb from time to time (e.g. hermaphrodites). Is it rare? Yes. Is it something we don't fully understand? Yes. Am I willing to categorize it as a mental illness and something that we should teach our children is a mental illness? Absolutely not.

in your world there is no mental illness. Just quirks. And that's okay. There will always be people like yourself- those who claim to be Christian, but professing anti-Christian beliefs. My child has been thoroughly educated on this and to not accept someone calling him or herself as Christian as fact that he/she actually is. Actions speak louder than words and always will. That said, I disagree that we don't have mental illness. I believe we do. And my expectation is that children, the most vulnerable among us, will not be taught untruths, which will cause them confusion and distress. If a schizophrenic person presents and insists upon the validity of the voices in his/her head, I would not accept my child being told the voices are real because a person "feels" they are. This is utter nonsense. Feelings don't trump biology. A male penis and scrotum and XY chromosomes are present in men. You're feelings that they don't is so goofy and weird, it's beyond ridiculous. My question is how did we ever get to this point. Very scary- the slippery slope we're treading on. Next kids will be taught that heterosexual sex is abnormal and that males who are aroused by the sight of the female species have a disorder. And a liberal person will say, well sure. Remember, everything is relative. There's nothing really normal.

Your spiritual arrogance is breathtaking. Please someone point out again how it is the liberals who are the most intolerant! I'm guessing that you are someone who likes to complain that Christians are discriminated against too, huh?

The devil is among us. You are evidence of that. You can't just have the label and not the behaviour to follow. But, again you're a devil. What other kind of behaviour would we expect from somone as devilish and stupid as yourself.

Okay, aside from the crazy I'll bite. Can you please share with me the list of behaviors you find acceptable as a Christian? Also, in which Bible verse do you find Jesus discussing whether and how transgender issues should be discussed in public schools. I'd like to read it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Gender dysphoria used to be called “gender identity disorder.” But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness. Instead, what need to be addressed are the stress, anxiety, and depression that go along with it.
This new revelation is absolutely due to political pressure and is not based empirically AT ALL. Start pointing out clinicians who agree with this. We'll just wait while you do. I happen to be one and am shocked at the travesty of this fake medicine. But stranger things have happened. I believe this too shall pass. Physicians and other health professionals who've had our hands tied behind our backs in favor of a dangerous agenda will lie in wait. I think the people will be our salvation. There's no way classrooms of children with common sense are going to tolerate what they know to be illigitimate. They're going to fight back. Then the curriculum changes will be dropped.

But don't medical professionals swear to "do no harm"? Why is no one in the medical community standing up to the LGBT community? Obviously, it would be difficult and require tremendous courage, but isn't it their responsibility?

Why are you lumping gays and lesbian a with people who are trans? Even most of your minions disagree with you there.

People do "speak up" but SCIENCE doesn't back them up so they're in violation of the licenses and sometimes the law.

Go see your minister to pray the gay away. A psych is not for that

Amateur hour has begun! Your post is so nonsensical I debated responding. That said gays and lesbians are being lumped in by the fake teams advocates. Science supports that homosexual behavior is perfectly normal. The same cannot said for transgender. It is a mental illness on par with schizophrenia and any other diagnosable mental malady. #LeaveGayPeopleAlone
Signed,
Straight Mom with Common Sense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, wait. Now you're claiming that straight people are being bullied and manipulated and fired by the gay lobby?

This thread has really taken a turn for the bizarre.

Honey, calm yourself down. Twenty bucks you didn't even read the link.

Straight people are being bullied and manipulated/ fired, etc for speaking out against the gay lobby, saying that their (gay lobby, just to be 100% clear) views are wrong on issues such as gay marriage and transgenderism.

You'd better believe it. Look no further than DCUM, for a minor example.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we're still learning a lot about the brain as time goes on. There was once a time when left handed people were considered sorcerers and the people who believed that were sincere in that belief. There was a time when dyslexic kids were just believed to be dumb or to have behavioral issues that prevented them from reading well and learning and that belief was sincere as well.

I honestly have no idea whether feeling transgendered is in fact a mental "problem" of some sort or just an area of the brain we're still discovering. And neither does anyone here.

Until we know more, I have no problem teaching my child that there are people who identify this way and that they, like everyone else, deserve respect, tolerance, and compassion.

Signed,
A Liberal Christian

I doubt you're a liberal Christian. Liberal Troll is more accurate. However, I'll play ball. Certainly, medical science is inexact and we don't know everything. But, to rely on that and to question the very nature of knowledge so that you can support a clear abnormality is foolhardy and dangerous. Science is a basis of what it is can never reveal the truth of everything and yet we rely on it to make sense of our world. A penis is a hard thing to deny and yet it is the best evidence we have that the human being with one is a man. Science, as we have and know it, fully supports that assumption. All you've got is the shoddy and hallow argument of "we don't know" because you question the nature of epistomology. Good luck with that.

PP here. I really don't know why you would doubt my identity unless you don't believe there are such things as liberal Christians, which is just ill-informed. I'm a 50 year old mother and lifelong Presbyterian, fwiw. I believe you've missed my point entirely though if you can't get past "science, as we have an know it..." That was my point. There is still a lot we don't know. There are genetic quirks that happen in the womb from time to time (e.g. hermaphrodites). Is it rare? Yes. Is it something we don't fully understand? Yes. Am I willing to categorize it as a mental illness and something that we should teach our children is a mental illness? Absolutely not.

in your world there is no mental illness. Just quirks. And that's okay. There will always be people like yourself- those who claim to be Christian, but professing anti-Christian beliefs. My child has been thoroughly educated on this and to not accept someone calling him or herself as Christian as fact that he/she actually is. Actions speak louder than words and always will. That said, I disagree that we don't have mental illness. I believe we do. And my expectation is that children, the most vulnerable among us, will not be taught untruths, which will cause them confusion and distress. If a schizophrenic person presents and insists upon the validity of the voices in his/her head, I would not accept my child being told the voices are real because a person "feels" they are. This is utter nonsense. Feelings don't trump biology. A male penis and scrotum and XY chromosomes are present in men. You're feelings that they don't is so goofy and weird, it's beyond ridiculous. My question is how did we ever get to this point. Very scary- the slippery slope we're treading on. Next kids will be taught that heterosexual sex is abnormal and that males who are aroused by the sight of the female species have a disorder. And a liberal person will say, well sure. Remember, everything is relative. There's nothing really normal.

Your spiritual arrogance is breathtaking. Please someone point out again how it is the liberals who are the most intolerant! I'm guessing that you are someone who likes to complain that Christians are discriminated against too, huh?

The devil is among us. You are evidence of that. You can't just have the label and not the behaviour to follow. But, again you're a devil. What other kind of behaviour would we expect from somone as devilish and stupid as yourself.

Okay, aside from the crazy I'll bite. Can you please share with me the list of behaviors you find acceptable as a Christian? Also, in which Bible verse do you find Jesus discussing whether and how transgender issues should be discussed in public schools. I'd like to read it.

In sexual behavior, Jesus and the Bible are very clear. One man, one woman, united in marriage, monogamous, with no sex before marriage. Sorry you find that so offensive.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we're still learning a lot about the brain as time goes on. There was once a time when left handed people were considered sorcerers and the people who believed that were sincere in that belief. There was a time when dyslexic kids were just believed to be dumb or to have behavioral issues that prevented them from reading well and learning and that belief was sincere as well.

I honestly have no idea whether feeling transgendered is in fact a mental "problem" of some sort or just an area of the brain we're still discovering. And neither does anyone here.

Until we know more, I have no problem teaching my child that there are people who identify this way and that they, like everyone else, deserve respect, tolerance, and compassion.

Signed,
A Liberal Christian

I doubt you're a liberal Christian. Liberal Troll is more accurate. However, I'll play ball. Certainly, medical science is inexact and we don't know everything. But, to rely on that and to question the very nature of knowledge so that you can support a clear abnormality is foolhardy and dangerous. Science is a basis of what it is can never reveal the truth of everything and yet we rely on it to make sense of our world. A penis is a hard thing to deny and yet it is the best evidence we have that the human being with one is a man. Science, as we have and know it, fully supports that assumption. All you've got is the shoddy and hallow argument of "we don't know" because you question the nature of epistomology. Good luck with that.

PP here. I really don't know why you would doubt my identity unless you don't believe there are such things as liberal Christians, which is just ill-informed. I'm a 50 year old mother and lifelong Presbyterian, fwiw. I believe you've missed my point entirely though if you can't get past "science, as we have an know it..." That was my point. There is still a lot we don't know. There are genetic quirks that happen in the womb from time to time (e.g. hermaphrodites). Is it rare? Yes. Is it something we don't fully understand? Yes. Am I willing to categorize it as a mental illness and something that we should teach our children is a mental illness? Absolutely not.

in your world there is no mental illness. Just quirks. And that's okay. There will always be people like yourself- those who claim to be Christian, but professing anti-Christian beliefs. My child has been thoroughly educated on this and to not accept someone calling him or herself as Christian as fact that he/she actually is. Actions speak louder than words and always will. That said, I disagree that we don't have mental illness. I believe we do. And my expectation is that children, the most vulnerable among us, will not be taught untruths, which will cause them confusion and distress. If a schizophrenic person presents and insists upon the validity of the voices in his/her head, I would not accept my child being told the voices are real because a person "feels" they are. This is utter nonsense. Feelings don't trump biology. A male penis and scrotum and XY chromosomes are present in men. You're feelings that they don't is so goofy and weird, it's beyond ridiculous. My question is how did we ever get to this point. Very scary- the slippery slope we're treading on. Next kids will be taught that heterosexual sex is abnormal and that males who are aroused by the sight of the female species have a disorder. And a liberal person will say, well sure. Remember, everything is relative. There's nothing really normal.

Your spiritual arrogance is breathtaking. Please someone point out again how it is the liberals who are the most intolerant! I'm guessing that you are someone who likes to complain that Christians are discriminated against too, huh?

The devil is among us. You are evidence of that. You can't just have the label and not the behaviour to follow. But, again you're a devil. What other kind of behaviour would we expect from somone as devilish and stupid as yourself.

Okay, aside from the crazy I'll bite. Can you please share with me the list of behaviors you find acceptable as a Christian? Also, in which Bible verse do you find Jesus discussing whether and how transgender issues should be discussed in public schools. I'd like to read it.

In sexual behavior, Jesus and the Bible are very clear. One man, one woman, united in marriage, monogamous, with no sex before marriage. Sorry you find that so offensive.

Er, no. Biblical marriage is full of polygamy, concubines, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we're still learning a lot about the brain as time goes on. There was once a time when left handed people were considered sorcerers and the people who believed that were sincere in that belief. There was a time when dyslexic kids were just believed to be dumb or to have behavioral issues that prevented them from reading well and learning and that belief was sincere as well.

I honestly have no idea whether feeling transgendered is in fact a mental "problem" of some sort or just an area of the brain we're still discovering. And neither does anyone here.

Until we know more, I have no problem teaching my child that there are people who identify this way and that they, like everyone else, deserve respect, tolerance, and compassion.

Signed,
A Liberal Christian

I doubt you're a liberal Christian. Liberal Troll is more accurate. However, I'll play ball. Certainly, medical science is inexact and we don't know everything. But, to rely on that and to question the very nature of knowledge so that you can support a clear abnormality is foolhardy and dangerous. Science is a basis of what it is can never reveal the truth of everything and yet we rely on it to make sense of our world. A penis is a hard thing to deny and yet it is the best evidence we have that the human being with one is a man. Science, as we have and know it, fully supports that assumption. All you've got is the shoddy and hallow argument of "we don't know" because you question the nature of epistomology. Good luck with that.

PP here. I really don't know why you would doubt my identity unless you don't believe there are such things as liberal Christians, which is just ill-informed. I'm a 50 year old mother and lifelong Presbyterian, fwiw. I believe you've missed my point entirely though if you can't get past "science, as we have an know it..." That was my point. There is still a lot we don't know. There are genetic quirks that happen in the womb from time to time (e.g. hermaphrodites). Is it rare? Yes. Is it something we don't fully understand? Yes. Am I willing to categorize it as a mental illness and something that we should teach our children is a mental illness? Absolutely not.

in your world there is no mental illness. Just quirks. And that's okay. There will always be people like yourself- those who claim to be Christian, but professing anti-Christian beliefs. My child has been thoroughly educated on this and to not accept someone calling him or herself as Christian as fact that he/she actually is. Actions speak louder than words and always will. That said, I disagree that we don't have mental illness. I believe we do. And my expectation is that children, the most vulnerable among us, will not be taught untruths, which will cause them confusion and distress. If a schizophrenic person presents and insists upon the validity of the voices in his/her head, I would not accept my child being told the voices are real because a person "feels" they are. This is utter nonsense. Feelings don't trump biology. A male penis and scrotum and XY chromosomes are present in men. You're feelings that they don't is so goofy and weird, it's beyond ridiculous. My question is how did we ever get to this point. Very scary- the slippery slope we're treading on. Next kids will be taught that heterosexual sex is abnormal and that males who are aroused by the sight of the female species have a disorder. And a liberal person will say, well sure. Remember, everything is relative. There's nothing really normal.

Your spiritual arrogance is breathtaking. Please someone point out again how it is the liberals who are the most intolerant! I'm guessing that you are someone who likes to complain that Christians are discriminated against too, huh?

The devil is among us. You are evidence of that. You can't just have the label and not the behaviour to follow. But, again you're a devil. What other kind of behaviour would we expect from somone as devilish and stupid as yourself.

Okay, aside from the crazy I'll bite. Can you please share with me the list of behaviors you find acceptable as a Christian? Also, in which Bible verse do you find Jesus discussing whether and how transgender issues should be discussed in public schools. I'd like to read it.

In sexual behavior, Jesus and the Bible are very clear. One man, one woman, united in marriage, monogamous, with no sex before marriage. Sorry you find that so offensive.

Just to be clear, they're teaching a health class in 7th grade FCPS, not a Bible class, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I think we're still learning a lot about the brain as time goes on. There was once a time when left handed people were considered sorcerers and the people who believed that were sincere in that belief. There was a time when dyslexic kids were just believed to be dumb or to have behavioral issues that prevented them from reading well and learning and that belief was sincere as well.

I honestly have no idea whether feeling transgendered is in fact a mental "problem" of some sort or just an area of the brain we're still discovering. And neither does anyone here.

Until we know more, I have no problem teaching my child that there are people who identify this way and that they, like everyone else, deserve respect, tolerance, and compassion.

Signed,
A Liberal Christian

I doubt you're a liberal Christian. Liberal Troll is more accurate. However, I'll play ball. Certainly, medical science is inexact and we don't know everything. But, to rely on that and to question the very nature of knowledge so that you can support a clear abnormality is foolhardy and dangerous. Science is a basis of what it is can never reveal the truth of everything and yet we rely on it to make sense of our world. A penis is a hard thing to deny and yet it is the best evidence we have that the human being with one is a man. Science, as we have and know it, fully supports that assumption. All you've got is the shoddy and hallow argument of "we don't know" because you question the nature of epistomology. Good luck with that.

PP here. I really don't know why you would doubt my identity unless you don't believe there are such things as liberal Christians, which is just ill-informed. I'm a 50 year old mother and lifelong Presbyterian, fwiw. I believe you've missed my point entirely though if you can't get past "science, as we have an know it..." That was my point. There is still a lot we don't know. There are genetic quirks that happen in the womb from time to time (e.g. hermaphrodites). Is it rare? Yes. Is it something we don't fully understand? Yes. Am I willing to categorize it as a mental illness and something that we should teach our children is a mental illness? Absolutely not.

in your world there is no mental illness. Just quirks. And that's okay. There will always be people like yourself- those who claim to be Christian, but professing anti-Christian beliefs. My child has been thoroughly educated on this and to not accept someone calling him or herself as Christian as fact that he/she actually is. Actions speak louder than words and always will. That said, I disagree that we don't have mental illness. I believe we do. And my expectation is that children, the most vulnerable among us, will not be taught untruths, which will cause them confusion and distress. If a schizophrenic person presents and insists upon the validity of the voices in his/her head, I would not accept my child being told the voices are real because a person "feels" they are. This is utter nonsense. Feelings don't trump biology. A male penis and scrotum and XY chromosomes are present in men. You're feelings that they don't is so goofy and weird, it's beyond ridiculous. My question is how did we ever get to this point. Very scary- the slippery slope we're treading on. Next kids will be taught that heterosexual sex is abnormal and that males who are aroused by the sight of the female species have a disorder. And a liberal person will say, well sure. Remember, everything is relative. There's nothing really normal.

Your spiritual arrogance is breathtaking. Please someone point out again how it is the liberals who are the most intolerant! I'm guessing that you are someone who likes to complain that Christians are discriminated against too, huh?

The devil is among us. You are evidence of that. You can't just have the label and not the behaviour to follow. But, again you're a devil. What other kind of behaviour would we expect from somone as devilish and stupid as yourself.

Okay, aside from the crazy I'll bite. Can you please share with me the list of behaviors you find acceptable as a Christian? Also, in which Bible verse do you find Jesus discussing whether and how transgender issues should be discussed in public schools. I'd like to read it.

In sexual behavior, Jesus and the Bible are very clear. One man, one woman, united in marriage, monogamous, with no sex before marriage. Sorry you find that so offensive.

Er, no. Biblical marriage is full of polygamy, concubines, etc.

Of course it is. There are plenty of scoundrels, bad guys, evil people, etc. in the Bible. Jesus and His preaching is very clear on the topic.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we're still learning a lot about the brain as time goes on. There was once a time when left handed people were considered sorcerers and the people who believed that were sincere in that belief. There was a time when dyslexic kids were just believed to be dumb or to have behavioral issues that prevented them from reading well and learning and that belief was sincere as well.

I honestly have no idea whether feeling transgendered is in fact a mental "problem" of some sort or just an area of the brain we're still discovering. And neither does anyone here.

Until we know more, I have no problem teaching my child that there are people who identify this way and that they, like everyone else, deserve respect, tolerance, and compassion.

Signed,
A Liberal Christian

I doubt you're a liberal Christian. Liberal Troll is more accurate. However, I'll play ball. Certainly, medical science is inexact and we don't know everything. But, to rely on that and to question the very nature of knowledge so that you can support a clear abnormality is foolhardy and dangerous. Science is a basis of what it is can never reveal the truth of everything and yet we rely on it to make sense of our world. A penis is a hard thing to deny and yet it is the best evidence we have that the human being with one is a man. Science, as we have and know it, fully supports that assumption. All you've got is the shoddy and hallow argument of "we don't know" because you question the nature of epistomology. Good luck with that.

PP here. I really don't know why you would doubt my identity unless you don't believe there are such things as liberal Christians, which is just ill-informed. I'm a 50 year old mother and lifelong Presbyterian, fwiw. I believe you've missed my point entirely though if you can't get past "science, as we have an know it..." That was my point. There is still a lot we don't know. There are genetic quirks that happen in the womb from time to time (e.g. hermaphrodites). Is it rare? Yes. Is it something we don't fully understand? Yes. Am I willing to categorize it as a mental illness and something that we should teach our children is a mental illness? Absolutely not.

in your world there is no mental illness. Just quirks. And that's okay. There will always be people like yourself- those who claim to be Christian, but professing anti-Christian beliefs. My child has been thoroughly educated on this and to not accept someone calling him or herself as Christian as fact that he/she actually is. Actions speak louder than words and always will. That said, I disagree that we don't have mental illness. I believe we do. And my expectation is that children, the most vulnerable among us, will not be taught untruths, which will cause them confusion and distress. If a schizophrenic person presents and insists upon the validity of the voices in his/her head, I would not accept my child being told the voices are real because a person "feels" they are. This is utter nonsense. Feelings don't trump biology. A male penis and scrotum and XY chromosomes are present in men. You're feelings that they don't is so goofy and weird, it's beyond ridiculous. My question is how did we ever get to this point. Very scary- the slippery slope we're treading on. Next kids will be taught that heterosexual sex is abnormal and that males who are aroused by the sight of the female species have a disorder. And a liberal person will say, well sure. Remember, everything is relative. There's nothing really normal.

Your spiritual arrogance is breathtaking. Please someone point out again how it is the liberals who are the most intolerant! I'm guessing that you are someone who likes to complain that Christians are discriminated against too, huh?

The devil is among us. You are evidence of that. You can't just have the label and not the behaviour to follow. But, again you're a devil. What other kind of behaviour would we expect from somone as devilish and stupid as yourself.

Okay, aside from the crazy I'll bite. Can you please share with me the list of behaviors you find acceptable as a Christian? Also, in which Bible verse do you find Jesus discussing whether and how transgender issues should be discussed in public schools. I'd like to read it.

In sexual behavior, Jesus and the Bible are very clear. One man, one woman, united in marriage, monogamous, with no sex before marriage. Sorry you find that so offensive.

Just to be clear, they're teaching a health class in 7th grade FCPS, not a Bible class, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I think we're still learning a lot about the brain as time goes on. There was once a time when left handed people were considered sorcerers and the people who believed that were sincere in that belief. There was a time when dyslexic kids were just believed to be dumb or to have behavioral issues that prevented them from reading well and learning and that belief was sincere as well.

I honestly have no idea whether feeling transgendered is in fact a mental "problem" of some sort or just an area of the brain we're still discovering. And neither does anyone here.

Until we know more, I have no problem teaching my child that there are people who identify this way and that they, like everyone else, deserve respect, tolerance, and compassion.

Signed,
A Liberal Christian

I doubt you're a liberal Christian. Liberal Troll is more accurate. However, I'll play ball. Certainly, medical science is inexact and we don't know everything. But, to rely on that and to question the very nature of knowledge so that you can support a clear abnormality is foolhardy and dangerous. Science is a basis of what it is can never reveal the truth of everything and yet we rely on it to make sense of our world. A penis is a hard thing to deny and yet it is the best evidence we have that the human being with one is a man. Science, as we have and know it, fully supports that assumption. All you've got is the shoddy and hallow argument of "we don't know" because you question the nature of epistomology. Good luck with that.

PP here. I really don't know why you would doubt my identity unless you don't believe there are such things as liberal Christians, which is just ill-informed. I'm a 50 year old mother and lifelong Presbyterian, fwiw. I believe you've missed my point entirely though if you can't get past "science, as we have an know it..." That was my point. There is still a lot we don't know. There are genetic quirks that happen in the womb from time to time (e.g. hermaphrodites). Is it rare? Yes. Is it something we don't fully understand? Yes. Am I willing to categorize it as a mental illness and something that we should teach our children is a mental illness? Absolutely not.

in your world there is no mental illness. Just quirks. And that's okay. There will always be people like yourself- those who claim to be Christian, but professing anti-Christian beliefs. My child has been thoroughly educated on this and to not accept someone calling him or herself as Christian as fact that he/she actually is. Actions speak louder than words and always will. That said, I disagree that we don't have mental illness. I believe we do. And my expectation is that children, the most vulnerable among us, will not be taught untruths, which will cause them confusion and distress. If a schizophrenic person presents and insists upon the validity of the voices in his/her head, I would not accept my child being told the voices are real because a person "feels" they are. This is utter nonsense. Feelings don't trump biology. A male penis and scrotum and XY chromosomes are present in men. You're feelings that they don't is so goofy and weird, it's beyond ridiculous. My question is how did we ever get to this point. Very scary- the slippery slope we're treading on. Next kids will be taught that heterosexual sex is abnormal and that males who are aroused by the sight of the female species have a disorder. And a liberal person will say, well sure. Remember, everything is relative. There's nothing really normal.

Your spiritual arrogance is breathtaking. Please someone point out again how it is the liberals who are the most intolerant! I'm guessing that you are someone who likes to complain that Christians are discriminated against too, huh?

The devil is among us. You are evidence of that. You can't just have the label and not the behaviour to follow. But, again you're a devil. What other kind of behaviour would we expect from somone as devilish and stupid as yourself.

Okay, aside from the crazy I'll bite. Can you please share with me the list of behaviors you find acceptable as a Christian? Also, in which Bible verse do you find Jesus discussing whether and how transgender issues should be discussed in public schools. I'd like to read it.

In sexual behavior, Jesus and the Bible are very clear. One man, one woman, united in marriage, monogamous, with no sex before marriage. Sorry you find that so offensive.

Just to be clear, they're teaching a health class in 7th grade FCPS, not a Bible class, right?

I was responding to 12:37's direct question on this topic.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we're still learning a lot about the brain as time goes on. There was once a time when left handed people were considered sorcerers and the people who believed that were sincere in that belief. There was a time when dyslexic kids were just believed to be dumb or to have behavioral issues that prevented them from reading well and learning and that belief was sincere as well.

I honestly have no idea whether feeling transgendered is in fact a mental "problem" of some sort or just an area of the brain we're still discovering. And neither does anyone here.

Until we know more, I have no problem teaching my child that there are people who identify this way and that they, like everyone else, deserve respect, tolerance, and compassion.

Signed,
A Liberal Christian

I doubt you're a liberal Christian. Liberal Troll is more accurate. However, I'll play ball. Certainly, medical science is inexact and we don't know everything. But, to rely on that and to question the very nature of knowledge so that you can support a clear abnormality is foolhardy and dangerous. Science is a basis of what it is can never reveal the truth of everything and yet we rely on it to make sense of our world. A penis is a hard thing to deny and yet it is the best evidence we have that the human being with one is a man. Science, as we have and know it, fully supports that assumption. All you've got is the shoddy and hallow argument of "we don't know" because you question the nature of epistomology. Good luck with that.

PP here. I really don't know why you would doubt my identity unless you don't believe there are such things as liberal Christians, which is just ill-informed. I'm a 50 year old mother and lifelong Presbyterian, fwiw. I believe you've missed my point entirely though if you can't get past "science, as we have an know it..." That was my point. There is still a lot we don't know. There are genetic quirks that happen in the womb from time to time (e.g. hermaphrodites). Is it rare? Yes. Is it something we don't fully understand? Yes. Am I willing to categorize it as a mental illness and something that we should teach our children is a mental illness? Absolutely not.

in your world there is no mental illness. Just quirks. And that's okay. There will always be people like yourself- those who claim to be Christian, but professing anti-Christian beliefs. My child has been thoroughly educated on this and to not accept someone calling him or herself as Christian as fact that he/she actually is. Actions speak louder than words and always will. That said, I disagree that we don't have mental illness. I believe we do. And my expectation is that children, the most vulnerable among us, will not be taught untruths, which will cause them confusion and distress. If a schizophrenic person presents and insists upon the validity of the voices in his/her head, I would not accept my child being told the voices are real because a person "feels" they are. This is utter nonsense. Feelings don't trump biology. A male penis and scrotum and XY chromosomes are present in men. You're feelings that they don't is so goofy and weird, it's beyond ridiculous. My question is how did we ever get to this point. Very scary- the slippery slope we're treading on. Next kids will be taught that heterosexual sex is abnormal and that males who are aroused by the sight of the female species have a disorder. And a liberal person will say, well sure. Remember, everything is relative. There's nothing really normal.

Your spiritual arrogance is breathtaking. Please someone point out again how it is the liberals who are the most intolerant! I'm guessing that you are someone who likes to complain that Christians are discriminated against too, huh?

The devil is among us. You are evidence of that. You can't just have the label and not the behaviour to follow. But, again you're a devil. What other kind of behaviour would we expect from somone as devilish and stupid as yourself.

Okay, aside from the crazy I'll bite. Can you please share with me the list of behaviors you find acceptable as a Christian? Also, in which Bible verse do you find Jesus discussing whether and how transgender issues should be discussed in public schools. I'd like to read it.

In sexual behavior, Jesus and the Bible are very clear. One man, one woman, united in marriage, monogamous, with no sex before marriage. Sorry you find that so offensive.

I don't find that idea offensive, though I do agree with a PP that the Bible is completely full of polygamous relationships. But that is beside the point. You're talking about who should marry and whether they should have sex before they do. I asked about biblical discussion of transgender identity and whether or not it is a mental illness. You saw fit to judge whether or not I am a Christian based on my ideas about whether or not transgender identity is a mental illness and should be explained to children as such. I am asking for biblical backup for your position.

You know, at my church there are faithful members of both political persuasions and many different viewpoints. We may have thoughtful, well-reasoned positions on which we disagree. But I can't even begin to imagine anyone telling another member that they are not true Christians based on nothing more than those disagreements. If your church requires that all members believe all the same things on these questions to be considered Christians, I suspect we are both happy that we attend different ones.

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Why are you lumping gays and lesbian a with people who are trans? Even most of your minions disagree with you there.

People do "speak up" but SCIENCE doesn't back them up so they're in violation of the licenses and sometimes the law.

Go see your minister to pray the gay away. A psych is not for that
Amateur hour has begun! Your post is so nonsensical I debated responding. That said gays and lesbians are being lumped in by the fake teams advocates. Science supports that homosexual behavior is perfectly normal. The same cannot said for transgender. It is a mental illness on par with schizophrenia and any other diagnosable mental malady. #LeaveGayPeopleAlone
Signed,
Straight Mom with Common Sense

???is this a typo?

The acronym "LGBT" has been around for a while. If gays didn't like it, they should have spoken up a long time ago.