Do you believe in Hell?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When a plane is crashing... Everybody prays.

End of story.

That's not only wrong (I for one have never been a churchmember; I have grown up agnostic and have never prayed), but it doesn't prove anything. It proves nothing except that religious training is difficult to undo and that religion IS the opiate of the masses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a plane is crashing... Everybody prays.

End of story.

That's not only wrong (I for one have never been a churchmember; I have grown up agnostic and have never prayed), but it doesn't prove anything. It proves nothing except that religious training is difficult to undo and that religion IS the opiate of the masses.

And you haven't been in plane crash either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a plane is crashing... Everybody prays.

End of story.

That's not only wrong (I for one have never been a churchmember; I have grown up agnostic and have never prayed), but it doesn't prove anything. It proves nothing except that religious training is difficult to undo and that religion IS the opiate of the masses.

And you haven't been in plane crash either.

Don't be a smartass. Someone who hasn't been trained to pray and doesn't believe in divine intervention isn't going to start convo-ing with He-who-Must-be-Worshipped before point of impact. I'd be trying to talk to my kids, scribbling a note they might find, whatever. I don't know any prayers at any rate, so you are just wrong about that op (original platitude).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a plane is crashing... Everybody prays.

End of story.

That's not only wrong (I for one have never been a churchmember; I have grown up agnostic and have never prayed), but it doesn't prove anything. It proves nothing except that religious training is difficult to undo and that religion IS the opiate of the masses.

And you haven't been in plane crash either.

Don't be a smartass. Someone who hasn't been trained to pray and doesn't believe in divine intervention isn't going to start convo-ing with He-who-Must-be-Worshipped before point of impact. I'd be trying to talk to my kids, scribbling a note they might find, whatever. I don't know any prayers at any rate, so you are just wrong about that op (original platitude).

How do you know what you would do in you final moments. You just don't know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a plane is crashing... Everybody prays.

End of story.

That's not only wrong (I for one have never been a churchmember; I have grown up agnostic and have never prayed), but it doesn't prove anything. It proves nothing except that religious training is difficult to undo and that religion IS the opiate of the masses.

And you haven't been in plane crash either.

Don't be a smartass. Someone who hasn't been trained to pray and doesn't believe in divine intervention isn't going to start convo-ing with He-who-Must-be-Worshipped before point of impact. I'd be trying to talk to my kids, scribbling a note they might find, whatever. I don't know any prayers at any rate, so you are just wrong about that op (original platitude).

How do you know what you would do in you final moments. You just don't know.

And you're less likely to know what someone else would do.

fact is, there are lots of non-believers who were close to death, who survived, and who report not praying. Of course, you can dismiss that if you want -- no "proof" they were telling the truth -- just as you have no proof that your supposition is correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a plane is crashing... Everybody prays.

End of story.

That's not only wrong (I for one have never been a churchmember; I have grown up agnostic and have never prayed), but it doesn't prove anything. It proves nothing except that religious training is difficult to undo and that religion IS the opiate of the masses.

And you haven't been in plane crash either.

Don't be a smartass. Someone who hasn't been trained to pray and doesn't believe in divine intervention isn't going to start convo-ing with He-who-Must-be-Worshipped before point of impact. I'd be trying to talk to my kids, scribbling a note they might find, whatever. I don't know any prayers at any rate, so you are just wrong about that op (original platitude).

How do you know what you would do in you final moments. You just don't know.

One thing we do know is that pilots of crashing planes aren't praying at the end -- when the black boxes are found, the last words are "Oh F#*k!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Voluminous scripture" proves nothing.

In a thousand years from now, some culture could make 50 Shades of Gray its bible.


Get it?

I mentioned voluminous Scripture because Christians were referred to as having a "bs theory" and was earlier than that that we can take one piece of the Bible and make it say whatever we want. But what I am presenting is the consistent clear message of Scripture. And the only reason I write these posts is so that perhaps someone will read them and understand that God is a forgiving, loving God that doesn't care what you've done if you'll only repent. I don't want anyone to go to Hell. More than that, I want everyone to go to Heaven. But I am perplexed by the dichotomy of these views denying Christian teaching: On one hand, it's said God is too good to send people to Hell, and on the other hand, some people (like child rapists) really deserve it and how dare I suggest they can find redemption. Which is it?

And the main reason I respond to these posts is so people reading here will see how weak fundamentalist arguments are and how desperate and rigid and brainwashed they sound.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's the deal . Nobody on this side of death knows ... And that is why death is terrifying when it is occurring .

I figure , why take the chance?

What does that mean? That you'll feign believing in God? Don't you think god will know you're not being sincere?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

"Voluminous scripture" proves nothing.

In a thousand years from now, some culture could make 50 Shades of Gray its bible.


Get it?

I mentioned voluminous Scripture because Christians were referred to as having a "bs theory" and was earlier than that that we can take one piece of the Bible and make it say whatever we want. But what I am presenting is the consistent clear message of Scripture. And the only reason I write these posts is so that perhaps someone will read them and understand that God is a forgiving, loving God that doesn't care what you've done if you'll only repent. I don't want anyone to go to Hell. More than that, I want everyone to go to Heaven. But I am perplexed by the dichotomy of these views denying Christian teaching: On one hand, it's said God is too good to send people to Hell, and on the other hand, some people (like child rapists) really deserve it and how dare I suggest they can find redemption. Which is it?

And the main reason I respond to these posts is so people reading here will see how weak fundamentalist arguments are and how desperate and rigid and brainwashed they sound.
Jesus Christ offers forgiveness and eternal life. What is it you have to offer?

[Anonymous]

But someone please answer this question: if you get up to heaven and find out that your spouse/father/mother/son/daughter/best friend/favorite aunt/brother/sister or whoever it is you love the most did not make it -- can you honestly say you'd be happy in eternity knowing that loved one is tormented in hell?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But someone please answer this question: if you get up to heaven and find out that your spouse/father/mother/son/daughter/best friend/favorite aunt/brother/sister or whoever it is you love the most did not make it -- can you honestly say you'd be happy in eternity knowing that loved one is tormented in hell?

I believe you may have profound understanding and acceptance that no one ends up away from God lightly, and that they consciously created such a situation. I don't know how sadness or pity would manifest itself in an eternal state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a plane is crashing... Everybody prays.

End of story.

That's not only wrong (I for one have never been a churchmember; I have grown up agnostic and have never prayed), but it doesn't prove anything. It proves nothing except that religious training is difficult to undo and that religion IS the opiate of the masses.

And you haven't been in plane crash either.

Don't be a smartass. Someone who hasn't been trained to pray and doesn't believe in divine intervention isn't going to start convo-ing with He-who-Must-be-Worshipped before point of impact. I'd be trying to talk to my kids, scribbling a note they might find, whatever. I don't know any prayers at any rate, so you are just wrong about that op (original platitude).

How do you know what you would do in you final moments. You just don't know.

And you're less likely to know what someone else would do.

fact is, there are lots of non-believers who were close to death, who survived, and who report not praying. Of course, you can dismiss that if you want -- no "proof" they were telling the truth -- just as you have no proof that your supposition is correct.

Do you have a source for the survivors?

[Anonymous]

I mean the interviews with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the deal . Nobody on this side of death knows ... And that is why death is terrifying when it is occurring .

I figure , why take the chance?

What does that mean? That you'll feign believing in God? Don't you think god will know you're not being sincere?

It means there is no other hope. God is love. Love is the best hope.

[Anonymous]

Everybody prays on a crashing plane. Except stupid people and maybe a pilot who doesn't have the luxury to concentrate on prayer.