Taylor's Feb. Rec for Woodward Boundary Study

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t this talk of which students will attend and how poor they will be a little premature, given that the new 6-region model will mean that students can select another school in their region for one of its programs? So, a couple of hundred “poor” kids from Einstein or Northwood or Blair will be going to BCC or Whitman every year, for example.

Except that there will be very limited bus service, so unless you have a car or parents who can drive you (i.e. not most poor kids), you will not be going anywhere except your home school. (Or maybe some of the Einstein/Northwood/Blair kids can walk or bike to one of the others since they're close together. But no one's walking to Whitman.)

That is not true. The limited bus service will obviously not be comprehensive, but if those kids can get to their home high school, there will likely be a school bus to take them to the regional program school. This does not require a car, parent, or wealth for a lot of students in those zones. Also, news flash but lots of people you consider poor do in fact own cars and also do transport their children places.

DP

You're delusional. Do you work for central office? Is this how you've convinced yourself the proposed transportation model is adequate? Gmafb

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the loss of diversity is a big loss for WJ. That is part of what makes it such a special place. I’m sorry for them.

It’s massively over crowded and over rated.

Feel sorry because less diversity? It’s about the same. Just less kids total.

Black goes UP from 15.9 to 16.2
Asian goes down from 14.5 to 12.5
Hispanic goes down from 18.5 to 15
2 or more races goes UP from 6.6 to 7.3

It is essentially the same.

But it’s a weird thing to feel sorry about even if it weren’t it essentially the same diversity.

Woodward people are just annoyed more poor kids go to their school than WJ.

WJ FARMS stays essentially the same as it is now. Maybe it will stay “special”.

And you are just happy to shed 5% (one third of current numbers) of undesirable high FARMS from your WJ. So spare me "it is essentially the same".

5%? Are you not math proficient? Fake data.

17.8 old WJ FARMS - 15.3 new FARMS is 2.5%

One third? No. 14% of current numbers.

It’s crumbs, as Nancy Pelosi would say.

[Anonymous]

Woodward is under capacity too. And kids can do fashion design. And minority white. Diversity is a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly the loss of diversity is a big loss for WJ. That is part of what makes it such a special place. I’m sorry for them.

It’s massively over crowded and over rated.

Feel sorry because less diversity? It’s about the same. Just less kids total.

Black goes UP from 15.9 to 16.2
Asian goes down from 14.5 to 12.5
Hispanic goes down from 18.5 to 15
2 or more races goes UP from 6.6 to 7.3

It is essentially the same.

But it’s a weird thing to feel sorry about even if it weren’t it essentially the same diversity.

Woodward people are just annoyed more poor kids go to their school than WJ.

WJ FARMS stays essentially the same as it is now. Maybe it will stay “special”.

With 77% capacity? To make room for all the new multimillion dollar homes going up in Bethesda and GP.

Feel free to pay to play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t this talk of which students will attend and how poor they will be a little premature, given that the new 6-region model will mean that students can select another school in their region for one of its programs? So, a couple of hundred “poor” kids from Einstein or Northwood or Blair will be going to BCC or Whitman every year, for example.

Except that there will be very limited bus service, so unless you have a car or parents who can drive you (i.e. not most poor kids), you will not be going anywhere except your home school. (Or maybe some of the Einstein/Northwood/Blair kids can walk or bike to one of the others since they're close together. But no one's walking to Whitman.)

That is not true. The limited bus service will obviously not be comprehensive, but if those kids can get to their home high school, there will likely be a school bus to take them to the regional program school. This does not require a car, parent, or wealth for a lot of students in those zones. Also, news flash but lots of people you consider poor do in fact own cars and also do transport their children places.

DP

You're delusional. Do you work for central office? Is this how you've convinced yourself the proposed transportation model is adequate? Gmafb

I don’t think their transportation plan is good OR adequate. I did not say was! But the PP who said you must have a car to make it work is incorrect. That is simply not true. She said “unless you have a car or parents who can drive you” it’s not an option. This is flat out false. And maybe let people speak for themselves about whether their kids could consider a program based on transportation. They don’t need you to speak for them. Speak for your own self.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t this talk of which students will attend and how poor they will be a little premature, given that the new 6-region model will mean that students can select another school in their region for one of its programs? So, a couple of hundred “poor” kids from Einstein or Northwood or Blair will be going to BCC or Whitman every year, for example.

Except that there will be very limited bus service, so unless you have a car or parents who can drive you (i.e. not most poor kids), you will not be going anywhere except your home school. (Or maybe some of the Einstein/Northwood/Blair kids can walk or bike to one of the others since they're close together. But no one's walking to Whitman.)

That is not true. The limited bus service will obviously not be comprehensive, but if those kids can get to their home high school, there will likely be a school bus to take them to the regional program school. This does not require a car, parent, or wealth for a lot of students in those zones. Also, news flash but lots of people you consider poor do in fact own cars and also do transport their children places.

"If they can get to their home school" is carrying a lot of weight there. It's hard or impossible for most kids to get to their home high school without a car, and even if they can, it often means a 30-40 minute journey before catching a bus that will probably leave around 6:15-6:30. Sure, if folks are deeply motivated, they may be able to cobble together some way to make it work. But unless MCPS provides real transportation from bus stops kids can reasonably walk to, the regional programs will primarily be for the better-off kids.

Ok well if people decide it’s too early or too hard that is their decision. The “better off kids” may also decide it’s too early or too hard or not worth it. You’re making a lot of assumptions. And most of these programs probably won’t be worth it for most students anyway. It’s ok to attend school outside these special programs. That’s what most kids do anyway, happily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t this talk of which students will attend and how poor they will be a little premature, given that the new 6-region model will mean that students can select another school in their region for one of its programs? So, a couple of hundred “poor” kids from Einstein or Northwood or Blair will be going to BCC or Whitman every year, for example.

Except that there will be very limited bus service, so unless you have a car or parents who can drive you (i.e. not most poor kids), you will not be going anywhere except your home school. (Or maybe some of the Einstein/Northwood/Blair kids can walk or bike to one of the others since they're close together. But no one's walking to Whitman.)

That is not true. The limited bus service will obviously not be comprehensive, but if those kids can get to their home high school, there will likely be a school bus to take them to the regional program school. This does not require a car, parent, or wealth for a lot of students in those zones. Also, news flash but lots of people you consider poor do in fact own cars and also do transport their children places.

DP

You're delusional. Do you work for central office? Is this how you've convinced yourself the proposed transportation model is adequate? Gmafb

I don’t think their transportation plan is good OR adequate. I did not say was! But the PP who said you must have a car to make it work is incorrect. That is simply not true. She said “unless you have a car or parents who can drive you” it’s not an option. This is flat out false. And maybe let people speak for themselves about whether their kids could consider a program based on transportation. They don’t need you to speak for them. Speak for your own self.

What? I didn't speak for anyone, Jfc

The plan obviously presents challenges that will be worse for families with fewer resources. That is just a true statement. I am not saying I know what they want. I am saying the impact of this plan on low income families is pretty predictable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t this talk of which students will attend and how poor they will be a little premature, given that the new 6-region model will mean that students can select another school in their region for one of its programs? So, a couple of hundred “poor” kids from Einstein or Northwood or Blair will be going to BCC or Whitman every year, for example.

Except that there will be very limited bus service, so unless you have a car or parents who can drive you (i.e. not most poor kids), you will not be going anywhere except your home school. (Or maybe some of the Einstein/Northwood/Blair kids can walk or bike to one of the others since they're close together. But no one's walking to Whitman.)

That is not true. The limited bus service will obviously not be comprehensive, but if those kids can get to their home high school, there will likely be a school bus to take them to the regional program school. This does not require a car, parent, or wealth for a lot of students in those zones. Also, news flash but lots of people you consider poor do in fact own cars and also do transport their children places.

DP

You're delusional. Do you work for central office? Is this how you've convinced yourself the proposed transportation model is adequate? Gmafb

I don’t think their transportation plan is good OR adequate. I did not say was! But the PP who said you must have a car to make it work is incorrect. That is simply not true. She said “unless you have a car or parents who can drive you” it’s not an option. This is flat out false. And maybe let people speak for themselves about whether their kids could consider a program based on transportation. They don’t need you to speak for them. Speak for your own self.

What? I didn't speak for anyone, Jfc

The plan obviously presents challenges that will be worse for families with fewer resources. That is just a true statement. I am not saying I know what they want. I am saying the impact of this plan on low income families is pretty predictable.

Yes and that is unfortunate and I wish the transportation plan were better. That said, everything in life is more challenging with fewer resources. Getting to regular school is difficult for certain families. It is hard to meet the needs of so many folks who have so many needs with a finite budget. I personally don’t think the regional programs are worth the money which will be spent which will be both not enough and too much all at the same time. But they are proceeding and this is what they can afford to do and families can take it or leave it. Really.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t this talk of which students will attend and how poor they will be a little premature, given that the new 6-region model will mean that students can select another school in their region for one of its programs? So, a couple of hundred “poor” kids from Einstein or Northwood or Blair will be going to BCC or Whitman every year, for example.

Except that there will be very limited bus service, so unless you have a car or parents who can drive you (i.e. not most poor kids), you will not be going anywhere except your home school. (Or maybe some of the Einstein/Northwood/Blair kids can walk or bike to one of the others since they're close together. But no one's walking to Whitman.)

That is not true. The limited bus service will obviously not be comprehensive, but if those kids can get to their home high school, there will likely be a school bus to take them to the regional program school. This does not require a car, parent, or wealth for a lot of students in those zones. Also, news flash but lots of people you consider poor do in fact own cars and also do transport their children places.

DP

You're delusional. Do you work for central office? Is this how you've convinced yourself the proposed transportation model is adequate? Gmafb

I don’t think their transportation plan is good OR adequate. I did not say was! But the PP who said you must have a car to make it work is incorrect. That is simply not true. She said “unless you have a car or parents who can drive you” it’s not an option. This is flat out false. And maybe let people speak for themselves about whether their kids could consider a program based on transportation. They don’t need you to speak for them. Speak for your own self.

What? I didn't speak for anyone, Jfc

The plan obviously presents challenges that will be worse for families with fewer resources. That is just a true statement. I am not saying I know what they want. I am saying the impact of this plan on low income families is pretty predictable.

DP but the lack of introspection here is a sight to behold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t this talk of which students will attend and how poor they will be a little premature, given that the new 6-region model will mean that students can select another school in their region for one of its programs? So, a couple of hundred “poor” kids from Einstein or Northwood or Blair will be going to BCC or Whitman every year, for example.

Except that there will be very limited bus service, so unless you have a car or parents who can drive you (i.e. not most poor kids), you will not be going anywhere except your home school. (Or maybe some of the Einstein/Northwood/Blair kids can walk or bike to one of the others since they're close together. But no one's walking to Whitman.)

That is not true. The limited bus service will obviously not be comprehensive, but if those kids can get to their home high school, there will likely be a school bus to take them to the regional program school. This does not require a car, parent, or wealth for a lot of students in those zones. Also, news flash but lots of people you consider poor do in fact own cars and also do transport their children places.

DP

You're delusional. Do you work for central office? Is this how you've convinced yourself the proposed transportation model is adequate? Gmafb

I don’t think their transportation plan is good OR adequate. I did not say was! But the PP who said you must have a car to make it work is incorrect. That is simply not true. She said “unless you have a car or parents who can drive you” it’s not an option. This is flat out false. And maybe let people speak for themselves about whether their kids could consider a program based on transportation. They don’t need you to speak for them. Speak for your own self.

What? I didn't speak for anyone, Jfc

The plan obviously presents challenges that will be worse for families with fewer resources. That is just a true statement. I am not saying I know what they want. I am saying the impact of this plan on low income families is pretty predictable.

Yes and that is unfortunate and I wish the transportation plan were better. That said, everything in life is more challenging with fewer resources. Getting to regular school is difficult for certain families. It is hard to meet the needs of so many folks who have so many needs with a finite budget. I personally don’t think the regional programs are worth the money which will be spent which will be both not enough and too much all at the same time. But they are proceeding and this is what they can afford to do and families can take it or leave it. Really.

You're stating the obvious but seem to think you are telling people things they don't know. Bizarre.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is the demographics of the new WJ. Do the math.

It’s another Whitman (less diverse and richer than current WJ) while Woodward is just a mile away and will be a very different school.

What do you mean by different?

Wealth. A lot less of it.

Don’t turn on the new Woodward families when MCPS divided the schools and even the WJ cluster in an unexpected way. The way they split KP and GP puts all the single family homes in WJ rather than Woodward.

Is there a more close up map to show where gp and kp split?

GPES has many multi family houses still going to WJ. The Parkside condos, stoneybrook, apts near Grosvenor.

The islands from GPES that didn’t get WJ make complete sense. They should go to Woodward. One is directly next to Woodward.

Option B was the right call.

They will do elementary boundary soon to mitigate some of the split articulation issues. KPES is under capacity and Ashburton is over capacity. It will get resolved.

Looks like all the Option B signs on Strathmore worked.

They were desperate to avoid Woodward.

I won't celebrate yet. MCPS may not ceoncentrate poverty in Woodward and make both schools more similar in final approval. It will depend on how hard Old Farm/North FArm and Luxmanor area lobbies.

As they should have been desperate to avoid Woodward. Fashion design? It grabs from Wheaton Woods now too. No thank you

Attention will be on Wootton. This Woodward rec is done deal.

Note that Taylor only submitted this rec for Woodward. In the Crown study he submitted a recommendation plus an alternative.

The BOE members can if they want to not appear completely useless stand up bravely against racial segregation by moving Viers Mill ES to WJ.

You lost credibility there. VM “improved” from Wheaton to Woodward too. You don’t see VM clamoring for WJ. GPE and KPE keeps status quo for its core.

I am from VM and prefer WJ.

Same. It’s a perfect solution. Move VM to WJ. Move all of GP to Woodward. FARMS rates are more evenly distributed. GP remains united just like they want

You are for the redistribution of wealth to VM. Shocking perspective for someone who lives in VM. You want to be able to better afford your addition. Woodward is an upgrade. You instead want to take WJ from GP where they have decades long relationship.

I have just as much a right as you do to advocate for what’s best for my child. Unlike you, I am advocating for something that would benefit the majority of the Woodward and WJ area as well

+1

GP going to Woodward will benefit entire region.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is the demographics of the new WJ. Do the math.

It’s another Whitman (less diverse and richer than current WJ) while Woodward is just a mile away and will be a very different school.

What do you mean by different?

Wealth. A lot less of it.

Don’t turn on the new Woodward families when MCPS divided the schools and even the WJ cluster in an unexpected way. The way they split KP and GP puts all the single family homes in WJ rather than Woodward.

Is there a more close up map to show where gp and kp split?

GPES has many multi family houses still going to WJ. The Parkside condos, stoneybrook, apts near Grosvenor.

The islands from GPES that didn’t get WJ make complete sense. They should go to Woodward. One is directly next to Woodward.

Option B was the right call.

They will do elementary boundary soon to mitigate some of the split articulation issues. KPES is under capacity and Ashburton is over capacity. It will get resolved.

Looks like all the Option B signs on Strathmore worked.

They were desperate to avoid Woodward.

I won't celebrate yet. MCPS may not ceoncentrate poverty in Woodward and make both schools more similar in final approval. It will depend on how hard Old Farm/North FArm and Luxmanor area lobbies.

As they should have been desperate to avoid Woodward. Fashion design? It grabs from Wheaton Woods now too. No thank you

Attention will be on Wootton. This Woodward rec is done deal.

Note that Taylor only submitted this rec for Woodward. In the Crown study he submitted a recommendation plus an alternative.

The BOE members can if they want to not appear completely useless stand up bravely against racial segregation by moving Viers Mill ES to WJ.

You lost credibility there. VM “improved” from Wheaton to Woodward too. You don’t see VM clamoring for WJ. GPE and KPE keeps status quo for its core.

I am from VM and prefer WJ.

Same. It’s a perfect solution. Move VM to WJ. Move all of GP to Woodward. FARMS rates are more evenly distributed. GP remains united just like they want

You are for the redistribution of wealth to VM. Shocking perspective for someone who lives in VM. You want to be able to better afford your addition. Woodward is an upgrade. You instead want to take WJ from GP where they have decades long relationship.

I have just as much a right as you do to advocate for what’s best for my child. Unlike you, I am advocating for something that would benefit the majority of the Woodward and WJ area as well

Slinging nonsense on message boards is not advocacy.

It definitely would be to detriment to all of the new WJ area to do as you say.

Taylor was reasonable. Alleviated crowding at Wheaton by sending Wheaton Woods and VM rightfully to the brand spanking new Woodward to be with the rich kids of Farmland and Luxmanor.

LOL, you are fooling no one with this pilitician talk.

Best for entire WJ region and new region would be to create two schools without concentrating poverty in one shcool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is the demographics of the new WJ. Do the math.

It’s another Whitman (less diverse and richer than current WJ) while Woodward is just a mile away and will be a very different school.

What do you mean by different?

Wealth. A lot less of it.

Don’t turn on the new Woodward families when MCPS divided the schools and even the WJ cluster in an unexpected way. The way they split KP and GP puts all the single family homes in WJ rather than Woodward.

Is there a more close up map to show where gp and kp split?

GPES has many multi family houses still going to WJ. The Parkside condos, stoneybrook, apts near Grosvenor.

The islands from GPES that didn’t get WJ make complete sense. They should go to Woodward. One is directly next to Woodward.

Option B was the right call.

They will do elementary boundary soon to mitigate some of the split articulation issues. KPES is under capacity and Ashburton is over capacity. It will get resolved.

Looks like all the Option B signs on Strathmore worked.

They were desperate to avoid Woodward.

I won't celebrate yet. MCPS may not ceoncentrate poverty in Woodward and make both schools more similar in final approval. It will depend on how hard Old Farm/North FArm and Luxmanor area lobbies.

As they should have been desperate to avoid Woodward. Fashion design? It grabs from Wheaton Woods now too. No thank you

Attention will be on Wootton. This Woodward rec is done deal.

Note that Taylor only submitted this rec for Woodward. In the Crown study he submitted a recommendation plus an alternative.

The BOE members can if they want to not appear completely useless stand up bravely against racial segregation by moving Viers Mill ES to WJ.

You lost credibility there. VM “improved” from Wheaton to Woodward too. You don’t see VM clamoring for WJ. GPE and KPE keeps status quo for its core.

I am from VM and prefer WJ.

Same. It’s a perfect solution. Move VM to WJ. Move all of GP to Woodward. FARMS rates are more evenly distributed. GP remains united just like they want

You are for the redistribution of wealth to VM. Shocking perspective for someone who lives in VM. You want to be able to better afford your addition. Woodward is an upgrade. You instead want to take WJ from GP where they have decades long relationship.

Yah, it's a relationship between people, lol. Give it a break.

Nothing wrong in VM parents to want to join WJ. GP does not have any unuversal rights to attend WJ when its making Woodward so much higher FARMS.

- BCC parent

“BCC” (Woodward) chiming in when they get their IB and Engineering locally, access to Blair and Whitman.

Rich “BCC” desires FARMS at other schools but not their own.

BCC has FARMS of around 22%. It;'s good for FARMS and non-FARMS kids.

VM joining RM will create another two schools with around 20% FARMS and that will be good for our region.

[Anonymous]

Sorry I meant VM joining WJ will result in WJ and Woodward both around 20% FARMS. That is the best outcome and everyone should absolutely advocate for it even if some small portion in GP may not like it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woodward is under capacity too. And kids can do fashion design. And minority white. Diversity is a good thing.

I am guessing this is a happy WJ poster trolling.