FCPS Boundary Review - New Maps

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That’s not an FFM post but also doesn’t support your claim. I agree with that poster btw that there should be more transparency in the KAA process.

It may not be a FFM post, but it is from a member of Fairfacts Matter who represents the organization on the BRAC committee.

Everyone is allowed to have varying opinions in things, even within the same organization. Requiring a purity test and giving group condemnation for individual thought is not a normal way for adults to interact.

Of course they do. However, someone had said that FFM had not said anything about extra buildings that could be used in a response about the KAA purchase. Perhaps it is not on FFM Facebook, but it is posted by their representative to the BRAC committee.

So what? Why shouldn’t people ask FCPS whether it explored alternatives before committing to drop $150 million (and the final price tag will be higher) on a building designed as a private K-12 school for about 1000 kids?

Again, that’s not opposition to the deal, just an effort to understand whether any rigor went into FCPS’s decision. The SB had been claiming FCPS was cash-strapped for years and couldn’t possibly do anything for other overcrowded schools, so it’s a surprise when they suddenly announce they are prepared to cough up $150M that wasn’t fully funded to buy KAA. We still don’t know where the money will come from or what other renovation projects will be delayed.

I feel like I am talking crazy pills when I repeatedly see that poster push back on people who advocate for transparency.

I’m guessing she is a Region 5 special interest rep.

I doubt our Region 5 special interest rep has any interest in KAA. And, what does that have to do with moving Forestville? Forestville has no impact at all on the KAA area. Why would you think that?

The great falls people are aggressive and conspiracy minded. They will not accept that people have different opinions than they do and cannot understand that many of us welcome the KAA purchase. Of course we are still concerned that the board will screw it up and use it for some niche program rather than much needed capacity in that area.

I’m really starting to think that some of the proponents of the KAA are cognitively challenged. Of course people in Great Falls understand that people near KAA want a new high school in their neighborhood, courtesy of all the taxpayers in the county. Who wouldn’t? That doesn’t mean they can’t press for answers to some basic questions that the school board should have anticipated and already addressed by now.

DP. I don’t have to think too hard that you’re a very intolerant person who doesn’t care about others. I live in West Springfield and couldn’t give a crap about KAA other than it sounds like they got a good deal and the school is desperately needed in that part of the county. But I also don’t understand why the school board can’t be more open about their plans for the school. And it does need to be addressed before they change boundaries.

Your last two sentences align with what others have been saying for some time but some of the KAA proponents repeatedly elect to demonize people for raising these and related points if (but only if) they live in Great Falls. Truly bizarre.

LOL! They haven't even closed. It has been just over a month since it was announced. Are you planning to stop the purchase? When have they ever asked their constituents? The CIP funds are fungible. They've done this many, many times. There are still open questions about Dunn Loring. The huge Centreville expansion may not be needed, Etc.
My concern is what they are going to do about Coates. That is the egregious omission by the School Board.

CIP funds are generally earmarked for specific projects and only $25 million had been budgeted for a western HS.

Sometimes they do reallocate money but it’s not something they do regularly, as it would reduce support for school bonds if they routinely spent the money on projects that differ from those advertised. They got a lot of crap, and justifiably so, for reallocating the funds earmarked for a “Fairfax/Oakton” elementary school to Dunn Loring, which looks increasingly unnecessary. All the more reason for them to have good answers when it comes to KAA, unless you buy into the notion that they should make one decision after another with next to no analysis because that’s just how they do things.

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That’s not an FFM post but also doesn’t support your claim. I agree with that poster btw that there should be more transparency in the KAA process.

It may not be a FFM post, but it is from a member of Fairfacts Matter who represents the organization on the BRAC committee.

Everyone is allowed to have varying opinions in things, even within the same organization. Requiring a purity test and giving group condemnation for individual thought is not a normal way for adults to interact.

Of course they do. However, someone had said that FFM had not said anything about extra buildings that could be used in a response about the KAA purchase. Perhaps it is not on FFM Facebook, but it is posted by their representative to the BRAC committee.

So what? Why shouldn’t people ask FCPS whether it explored alternatives before committing to drop $150 million (and the final price tag will be higher) on a building designed as a private K-12 school for about 1000 kids?

Again, that’s not opposition to the deal, just an effort to understand whether any rigor went into FCPS’s decision. The SB had been claiming FCPS was cash-strapped for years and couldn’t possibly do anything for other overcrowded schools, so it’s a surprise when they suddenly announce they are prepared to cough up $150M that wasn’t fully funded to buy KAA. We still don’t know where the money will come from or what other renovation projects will be delayed.

I feel like I am talking crazy pills when I repeatedly see that poster push back on people who advocate for transparency.

I’m guessing she is a Region 5 special interest rep.

I doubt our Region 5 special interest rep has any interest in KAA. And, what does that have to do with moving Forestville? Forestville has no impact at all on the KAA area. Why would you think that?

The great falls people are aggressive and conspiracy minded. They will not accept that people have different opinions than they do and cannot understand that many of us welcome the KAA purchase. Of course we are still concerned that the board will screw it up and use it for some niche program rather than much needed capacity in that area.

I’m really starting to think that some of the proponents of the KAA are cognitively challenged. Of course people in Great Falls understand that people near KAA want a new high school in their neighborhood, courtesy of all the taxpayers in the county. Who wouldn’t? That doesn’t mean they can’t press for answers to some basic questions that the school board should have anticipated and already addressed by now.

DP. I don’t have to think too hard that you’re a very intolerant person who doesn’t care about others. I live in West Springfield and couldn’t give a crap about KAA other than it sounds like they got a good deal and the school is desperately needed in that part of the county. But I also don’t understand why the school board can’t be more open about their plans for the school. And it does need to be addressed before they change boundaries.

Your last two sentences align with what others have been saying for some time but some of the KAA proponents repeatedly elect to demonize people for raising these and related points if (but only if) they live in Great Falls. Truly bizarre.

LOL! They haven't even closed. It has been just over a month since it was announced. Are you planning to stop the purchase? When have they ever asked their constituents? The CIP funds are fungible. They've done this many, many times. There are still open questions about Dunn Loring. The huge Centreville expansion may not be needed, Etc.
My concern is what they are going to do about Coates. That is the egregious omission by the School Board.

CIP funds are generally earmarked for specific projects and only $25 million had been budgeted for a western HS.

Sometimes they do reallocate money but it’s not something they do regularly, as it would reduce support for school bonds if they routinely spent the money on projects that differ from those advertised. They got a lot of crap, and justifiably so, for reallocating the funds earmarked for a “Fairfax/Oakton” elementary school to Dunn Loring, which looks increasingly unnecessary. All the more reason for them to have good answers when it comes to KAA, unless you buy into the notion that they should make one decision after another with next to no analysis because that’s just how they do things.

I don't think it will be that hard for them to give you the answers. They've already indicated that it was a huge savings over a new build.
Most level headed people would agree that when schools are overcrowded and kids are being shifted here, there, and yon, that the purchase makes good sense. Especially, when it is in a great location and will not take years to design and build.

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Bringing up all the KAA stuff now is just intended to be a distraction from the fact that BRAC members from Region 5 gratuitously pushed forward a recommendation THIS WEEK to reassign a Langley feeder to Herndon when neither Langley nor Herndon is in Region 5.

Talk about trying to meddle in someone else’s business…

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing up all the KAA stuff now is just intended to be a distraction from the fact that BRAC members from Region 5 gratuitously pushed forward a recommendation THIS WEEK to reassign a Langley feeder to Herndon when neither Langley nor Herndon is in Region 5.

Talk about trying to meddle in someone else’s business…

Don't tar all of Region 5 with one feather. The region spreads from Loudoun County to inside the beltway.
I don't understand how they created the regions, but it sure isn't geographic.

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing up all the KAA stuff now is just intended to be a distraction from the fact that BRAC members from Region 5 gratuitously pushed forward a recommendation THIS WEEK to reassign a Langley feeder to Herndon when neither Langley nor Herndon is in Region 5.

Talk about trying to meddle in someone else’s business…

Don't tar all of Region 5 with one feather. The region spreads from Loudoun County to inside the beltway.
I don't understand how they created the regions, but it sure isn't geographic.

Wouldn’t they need to have a consensus among the 12 members of the BRAC from Region 5 before they presented their top three priorities, one of which was the recommendation to reassign Forestville from Langley to Herndon?

Really bad look for Region 5.

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing up all the KAA stuff now is just intended to be a distraction from the fact that BRAC members from Region 5 gratuitously pushed forward a recommendation THIS WEEK to reassign a Langley feeder to Herndon when neither Langley nor Herndon is in Region 5.

Talk about trying to meddle in someone else’s business…

Don't tar all of Region 5 with one feather. The region spreads from Loudoun County to inside the beltway.
I don't understand how they created the regions, but it sure isn't geographic.

Wouldn’t they need to have a consensus among the 12 members of the BRAC from Region 5 before they presented their top three priorities, one of which was the recommendation to reassign Forestville from Langley to Herndon?

Really bad look for Region 5.

How do you get 12? There are only 5 pyramids, aren't there. Of course, we know one school did get three reps. So, that would make 11.

Did community organizations also join the regions they live in? No one has answered that question.

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing up all the KAA stuff now is just intended to be a distraction from the fact that BRAC members from Region 5 gratuitously pushed forward a recommendation THIS WEEK to reassign a Langley feeder to Herndon when neither Langley nor Herndon is in Region 5.

Talk about trying to meddle in someone else’s business…

Don't tar all of Region 5 with one feather. The region spreads from Loudoun County to inside the beltway.
I don't understand how they created the regions, but it sure isn't geographic.

Wouldn’t they need to have a consensus among the 12 members of the BRAC from Region 5 before they presented their top three priorities, one of which was the recommendation to reassign Forestville from Langley to Herndon?

Really bad look for Region 5.

How do you get 12? There are only 5 pyramids, aren't there. Of course, we know one school did get three reps. So, that would make 11.

Did community organizations also join the regions they live in? No one has answered that question.

Fairfax and Woodson are the two pyramids with 3 BRAC members and they are both in Region 5.

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing up all the KAA stuff now is just intended to be a distraction from the fact that BRAC members from Region 5 gratuitously pushed forward a recommendation THIS WEEK to reassign a Langley feeder to Herndon when neither Langley nor Herndon is in Region 5.

Talk about trying to meddle in someone else’s business…

Don't tar all of Region 5 with one feather. The region spreads from Loudoun County to inside the beltway.
I don't understand how they created the regions, but it sure isn't geographic.

Wouldn’t they need to have a consensus among the 12 members of the BRAC from Region 5 before they presented their top three priorities, one of which was the recommendation to reassign Forestville from Langley to Herndon?

Really bad look for Region 5.

How do you get 12? There are only 5 pyramids, aren't there. Of course, we know one school did get three reps. So, that would make 11.

Did community organizations also join the regions they live in? No one has answered that question.

Fairfax and Woodson are the two pyramids with 3 BRAC members and they are both in Region 5.

Thanks. Do you know about the community organization reps? Did they participate in the region groups?

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing up all the KAA stuff now is just intended to be a distraction from the fact that BRAC members from Region 5 gratuitously pushed forward a recommendation THIS WEEK to reassign a Langley feeder to Herndon when neither Langley nor Herndon is in Region 5.

Talk about trying to meddle in someone else’s business…

Don't tar all of Region 5 with one feather. The region spreads from Loudoun County to inside the beltway.
I don't understand how they created the regions, but it sure isn't geographic.

Wouldn’t they need to have a consensus among the 12 members of the BRAC from Region 5 before they presented their top three priorities, one of which was the recommendation to reassign Forestville from Langley to Herndon?

Really bad look for Region 5.

How do you get 12? There are only 5 pyramids, aren't there. Of course, we know one school did get three reps. So, that would make 11.

Did community organizations also join the regions they live in? No one has answered that question.

Fairfax and Woodson are the two pyramids with 3 BRAC members and they are both in Region 5.

Thanks. Do you know about the community organization reps? Did they participate in the region groups?

My understanding is that they were allocated to the region that they live in.

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Anonymous wrote:Bringing up all the KAA stuff now is just intended to be a distraction from the fact that BRAC members from Region 5 gratuitously pushed forward a recommendation THIS WEEK to reassign a Langley feeder to Herndon when neither Langley nor Herndon is in Region 5.

Talk about trying to meddle in someone else’s business…

Don't tar all of Region 5 with one feather. The region spreads from Loudoun County to inside the beltway.
I don't understand how they created the regions, but it sure isn't geographic.

DP, but your post is just misdirection. You can’t just explain their meddling away because it was from a sprawling region. The region assignment is arbitrary and lame, but this group actively decided to add that absurd priority. Given the anger in both region 5 and 1, if I were a BRAC rep in that region who just passively went along, I’d pretty quickly throw the person responsible for suggesting/pushing through the priority under the bus. I’d also reach out to the rest of the reps to demand that the priority be changed.

The person responsible deserves to be kicked off the committee. Real “et tu, Brute” material here, especially since the BRAC committee members from what I’ve heard by and large aren’t interested in unnecessary/many changes.

Imagine doing such a poor job on that committee. Just a real trash priority/suggestion.

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It’s funny that you all think anyone listens to the BRAC. They are a front group launched by FCPS to make it look like they were listening to the community. They don’t care what BRAC members say.

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When will people wake up and realize this whole process is a sham. Reid and the school board don’t care about parent or community input.

This is all for show and the incompetent contractor was hired to provide political cover.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny that you all think anyone listens to the BRAC. They are a front group launched by FCPS to make it look like they were listening to the community. They don’t care what BRAC members say.

While they will pick and choose what they claim to have listened to, they absolutely wanted their plants on the BRAC to make suggestions such as moving Forestville from Langley to Herndon, so they can later claim they were following community recommendations.

It's unfortunate that some stooges in Region 5 chose to play along.

There may be one Region 5 BRAC member who is a particular tool of the School Board, but there are a lot of BRAC members from Region 5 and they were tools not to have halted this in its tracks.

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It is a logical suggestion that will likely improve the evenness of region 5 schools, too. The regions are not geographically based so some region 5 schools are close to Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a logical suggestion that will likely improve the evenness of region 5 schools, too. The regions are not geographically based so some region 5 schools are close to Herndon.

What does this mean? Please tell me which members are close to Herndon.



Anyone who has been reading these threads realizes how this happened. It happened when the committee was formed.

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