Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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Anonymous wrote:Why move Dufief though? It’s attended Frost and Wootton for decades (neither school is over crowded) and has such a small student population it barely makes a difference in total numbers.

Because DuFief is not geographically close to Wootton. There are many other neighborhoods and schools that are closer and DuFief is very close to QO. Why dont you care about neighborhood schools and geographic proximity like all the other parents?

Sure, neighborhood schools. That’s why three out of four of the dufief options have split articulation and bus them all over. And they make massive changes to Dufief while making more minor ones to the surrounding Travilah and Stone Mill. I’m sure it’s really about neighborhood schools and geographic proximity and not at all about the fact they think DuFief will just sit quietly and not fight this.

That’s right, they thinks DuFief is small neighborhood and can bully us. We need to fight back for this. It’s been this week for decades.

No Dufief is closer to QO it should be QO and the homes on the side of 28 between 28 and Great Seneca should be Crown.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it the same as the Woodward boundary study, where option #1 is all about stability, #2 about utilization, #3 about demographics, and #4 about proximity?

Pretty much

Option 1,Simplifies feeder patterns.
Option 2, Maximizes efficient use of capacity.
Option 3 , Focuses on improving demographic balance.
Option 4 ,Minimizes disruption to current assignments. But also leaves crown highly under capacity

I really think of these, option 1 is the best

Agree with you about option 1 being the best, but I'm struggling to see how option 4 minimizes disruption to current assignments. If that were the aim with option 4, why would Fallsmead split into three different middle schools rather than simply stay at Frost? Why would Lakewood kids split into two middle schools and then have an unfortunate group of Lakewood/Frost kids move from Wootton to Crown? And why move Travilah away from Wootton but add Wayside? Maybe it's different for the other clusters, but the Wootton cluster seems pretty disrupted under option 4.

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Btw Poolesville people…Clarksburg is just as shocked as you were to see us feeding into PHS for 3 of the options. Maybe try not to smear our community when you speak in public?

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Anonymous wrote:My bad, i read the table wrong. Yes, the numbers are all about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 1&3: Churchill Asian increased from 33% to 37%, FARMS decreased from 10.9% to 9.9%. Wootton Asian increased from 37.4% to 43.2% and FARMS decreased from 13.4% to 11.9%.

I'm pretty sure the current options will exacerbate educational inequality, but I amsatisfied. I wonder can we reduce the FARMS to 5% or even lower for Churchill?

Are we looking at different data set? For all 4 options, Churchill Asian decrease from 37% to34.7% and farm from 9.9% to 9.8%.

So why even mess with Wootton families and force them to move out to QO and crown? There are only losers and the ones being moved out are the relatively poorer ones. Financial hit on them will be devastating. What’s even worse is that their kids will have to be separated from their friends. This kind of double whammy is too much.

Every school is going to experience change when a new school opens. They are not going to leave Wootton and Churchill as is in a boundary study. Can you imagine the backlash? And at least for Wootton there are definitely neighborhoods in the Wootton cluster close to Crown, some even walking distance like part of Fallsmead's boundary. And DuFief area is nowhere near Wootton. Ridgeview or Lakelands Park and QO makes much more sense for DuFief.

Every option has at least two Wootton elementary school impacted. What’s even worse in option 2 and 4 are small neighborhoods in both Lakewood and stone mill gets split. Who has empathy on these few kids who will have to be separated from their friends since 5 to a new high school with nobody else???

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Option 4
Gaithersburg HS’s FARM rate increases from 53.7% to 57.5%
And it put Crown HS to the highest FARM rate of 45.6%, other 3 options are lower.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the articulation data, options 2 and 4 will create a mess with split articulations. I really hope they decide against options with so much disruption.

Yeah I don’t know why on earth MCPS thinks so many split articulated ESs are ok?

I think some split articulations get introduced and some get resolved with these options. This is going to be a mess no matter what happens.

Right but some options (like option 1) are far better than others (like 2 & 4) in terms of messiness and split articulations.

Option 1 introduces massive split articulations between Hoover MS and three different high schools, among other issues. There are no clean options.

Oh, I agree, and I wish they had cleaner options. I just find the split articulations in 2 and 4 pretty overwhelming. Looking at the articulation charts, with option 1, I see only two elementary schools that get divided up. But with option 2, it looks like there are about 20.

Yes, option 1 is the cleanest. The goal in Option 1 was contiguous boundaries and minimizing split

What makes you think minimizing the split is the goal? It's not in the four factors.

Option 1 also has too many islands for the MS clusters. It also does not address the capacity issues for several of the MS.

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

How about putting this area in crown? That's a brand new school.

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Anonymous wrote:My bad, i read the table wrong. Yes, the numbers are all about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 1&3: Churchill Asian increased from 33% to 37%, FARMS decreased from 10.9% to 9.9%. Wootton Asian increased from 37.4% to 43.2% and FARMS decreased from 13.4% to 11.9%.

I'm pretty sure the current options will exacerbate educational inequality, but I amsatisfied. I wonder can we reduce the FARMS to 5% or even lower for Churchill?

Are we looking at different data set? For all 4 options, Churchill Asian decrease from 37% to34.7% and farm from 9.9% to 9.8%.

So why even mess with Wootton families and force them to move out to QO and crown? There are only losers and the ones being moved out are the relatively poorer ones. Financial hit on them will be devastating. What’s even worse is that their kids will have to be separated from their friends. This kind of double whammy is too much.

Every school is going to experience change when a new school opens. They are not going to leave Wootton and Churchill as is in a boundary study. Can you imagine the backlash? And at least for Wootton there are definitely neighborhoods in the Wootton cluster close to Crown, some even walking distance like part of Fallsmead's boundary. And DuFief area is nowhere near Wootton. Ridgeview or Lakelands Park and QO makes much more sense for DuFief.

Every option has at least two Wootton elementary school impacted. What’s even worse in option 2 and 4 are small neighborhoods in both Lakewood and stone mill gets split. Who has empathy on these few kids who will have to be separated from their friends since 5 to a new high school with nobody else???

Kids are resilient. They will make new friends, especially when they are younger.

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Anonymous wrote:To no one’s surprise, very little change to Churchill under any of the options.

I’m in the small part that is changing. It’s pretty nuts because I live in the area right by the Potomac Community Center. That part of Wayside has been Churchill since its opening. We are literally 1.7-2 miles from Churchill yet the four options have us moving to Wootton which is 15-20 minutes a day longer commute. Not to mention this brings the Wootton boundary so far south. Very disappointed mostly because of Wootton being incredibly old/asbestos, the aforementioned increased time, and the fact that our neighborhood is very much part of the community with Beverly Farms, Bells Mill, Potomac and Seven Locks ES.

A big chunk of Wayside was developed in the mid 90s and originally was meant to go to Frost and Wootton but due to overcrowding at both, they moved them to the then under crowded Churchill.

Additionally a huge section of Potomac ES would stay at Churchill and drive past much of Wayside on the way. Whereas those areas might be equidistant from each, they are far closer to North Potomac community wise and should look different.

They really needed to redo ES boundaries as some are quite wacky and massively large. Also whoever was bright enough to build both Cabin John and Hoover MS within a mile from each other made a big mistake. A MS up closer to QO/Wootton/Crown would have been so much better.

The MS to HS splits are going to be pretty messy from both under these options.

How about putting this area in crown? That's a brand new school.

That's at least 8 miles from the community around Wayside ES to Crown HS. Are you being serious? Put kids on a 25-minute bus ride instead of letting them walk or bike to their school?

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Anonymous wrote:My bad, i read the table wrong. Yes, the numbers are all about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 1&3: Churchill Asian increased from 33% to 37%, FARMS decreased from 10.9% to 9.9%. Wootton Asian increased from 37.4% to 43.2% and FARMS decreased from 13.4% to 11.9%.

I'm pretty sure the current options will exacerbate educational inequality, but I amsatisfied. I wonder can we reduce the FARMS to 5% or even lower for Churchill?

Are we looking at different data set? For all 4 options, Churchill Asian decrease from 37% to34.7% and farm from 9.9% to 9.8%.

So why even mess with Wootton families and force them to move out to QO and crown? There are only losers and the ones being moved out are the relatively poorer ones. Financial hit on them will be devastating. What’s even worse is that their kids will have to be separated from their friends. This kind of double whammy is too much.

Every school is going to experience change when a new school opens. They are not going to leave Wootton and Churchill as is in a boundary study. Can you imagine the backlash? And at least for Wootton there are definitely neighborhoods in the Wootton cluster close to Crown, some even walking distance like part of Fallsmead's boundary. And DuFief area is nowhere near Wootton. Ridgeview or Lakelands Park and QO makes much more sense for DuFief.

Every option has at least two Wootton elementary school impacted. What’s even worse in option 2 and 4 are small neighborhoods in both Lakewood and stone mill gets split. Who has empathy on these few kids who will have to be separated from their friends since 5 to a new high school with nobody else???

Kids are resilient. They will make new friends, especially when they are younger.

No my kids are not resilient. I hope your kids get the same change and be resilient

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Anonymous wrote:My bad, i read the table wrong. Yes, the numbers are all about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 1&3: Churchill Asian increased from 33% to 37%, FARMS decreased from 10.9% to 9.9%. Wootton Asian increased from 37.4% to 43.2% and FARMS decreased from 13.4% to 11.9%.

I'm pretty sure the current options will exacerbate educational inequality, but I amsatisfied. I wonder can we reduce the FARMS to 5% or even lower for Churchill?

Are we looking at different data set? For all 4 options, Churchill Asian decrease from 37% to34.7% and farm from 9.9% to 9.8%.

So why even mess with Wootton families and force them to move out to QO and crown? There are only losers and the ones being moved out are the relatively poorer ones. Financial hit on them will be devastating. What’s even worse is that their kids will have to be separated from their friends. This kind of double whammy is too much.

Every school is going to experience change when a new school opens. They are not going to leave Wootton and Churchill as is in a boundary study. Can you imagine the backlash? And at least for Wootton there are definitely neighborhoods in the Wootton cluster close to Crown, some even walking distance like part of Fallsmead's boundary. And DuFief area is nowhere near Wootton. Ridgeview or Lakelands Park and QO makes much more sense for DuFief.

Every option has at least two Wootton elementary school impacted. What’s even worse in option 2 and 4 are small neighborhoods in both Lakewood and stone mill gets split. Who has empathy on these few kids who will have to be separated from their friends since 5 to a new high school with nobody else???

Kids are resilient. They will make new friends, especially when they are younger.

Can this “kids are resilient person” stop this crap? I’ve seen the same sentence at least 3 times in this post. Don’t gaslight people on the detrimental impact on kids mental health

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Anonymous wrote:My bad, i read the table wrong. Yes, the numbers are all about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 1&3: Churchill Asian increased from 33% to 37%, FARMS decreased from 10.9% to 9.9%. Wootton Asian increased from 37.4% to 43.2% and FARMS decreased from 13.4% to 11.9%.

I'm pretty sure the current options will exacerbate educational inequality, but I amsatisfied. I wonder can we reduce the FARMS to 5% or even lower for Churchill?

Are we looking at different data set? For all 4 options, Churchill Asian decrease from 37% to34.7% and farm from 9.9% to 9.8%.

So why even mess with Wootton families and force them to move out to QO and crown? There are only losers and the ones being moved out are the relatively poorer ones. Financial hit on them will be devastating. What’s even worse is that their kids will have to be separated from their friends. This kind of double whammy is too much.

Every school is going to experience change when a new school opens. They are not going to leave Wootton and Churchill as is in a boundary study. Can you imagine the backlash? And at least for Wootton there are definitely neighborhoods in the Wootton cluster close to Crown, some even walking distance like part of Fallsmead's boundary. And DuFief area is nowhere near Wootton. Ridgeview or Lakelands Park and QO makes much more sense for DuFief.

Every option has at least two Wootton elementary school impacted. What’s even worse in option 2 and 4 are small neighborhoods in both Lakewood and stone mill gets split. Who has empathy on these few kids who will have to be separated from their friends since 5 to a new high school with nobody else???

Kids are resilient. They will make new friends, especially when they are younger.

No my kids are not resilient. I hope your kids get the same change and be resilient

They have. My one kid moved ES 2x. They are now in college, at an oos internship making good money.

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Anonymous wrote:My bad, i read the table wrong. Yes, the numbers are all about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 1&3: Churchill Asian increased from 33% to 37%, FARMS decreased from 10.9% to 9.9%. Wootton Asian increased from 37.4% to 43.2% and FARMS decreased from 13.4% to 11.9%.

I'm pretty sure the current options will exacerbate educational inequality, but I amsatisfied. I wonder can we reduce the FARMS to 5% or even lower for Churchill?

Are we looking at different data set? For all 4 options, Churchill Asian decrease from 37% to34.7% and farm from 9.9% to 9.8%.

So why even mess with Wootton families and force them to move out to QO and crown? There are only losers and the ones being moved out are the relatively poorer ones. Financial hit on them will be devastating. What’s even worse is that their kids will have to be separated from their friends. This kind of double whammy is too much.

Every school is going to experience change when a new school opens. They are not going to leave Wootton and Churchill as is in a boundary study. Can you imagine the backlash? And at least for Wootton there are definitely neighborhoods in the Wootton cluster close to Crown, some even walking distance like part of Fallsmead's boundary. And DuFief area is nowhere near Wootton. Ridgeview or Lakelands Park and QO makes much more sense for DuFief.

Every option has at least two Wootton elementary school impacted. What’s even worse in option 2 and 4 are small neighborhoods in both Lakewood and stone mill gets split. Who has empathy on these few kids who will have to be separated from their friends since 5 to a new high school with nobody else???

Kids are resilient. They will make new friends, especially when they are younger.

Can this “kids are resilient person” stop this crap? I’ve seen the same sentence at least 3 times in this post. Don’t gaslight people on the detrimental impact on kids mental health

Stop being a drama queen. I only posted that once. Kids move schools all the time. You are being ridiculous.

This is not the first rodeo for boundary changes in MCPS. In one of the board meetings, board members said exactly that: kids are resilient. They will make friends.

I hope you don't push your insecurities onto your kids. They will be fine if you let them be fine.

Boundary changes need to happen. Too many schools are over capacity; too many schools have weird boundaries. Split articulation happens everywhere, including in MCPS. Or do you think those kids who currently have split articulation are damaged and traumatized when they go to a different MS today?

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Anonymous wrote:My bad, i read the table wrong. Yes, the numbers are all about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 1&3: Churchill Asian increased from 33% to 37%, FARMS decreased from 10.9% to 9.9%. Wootton Asian increased from 37.4% to 43.2% and FARMS decreased from 13.4% to 11.9%.

I'm pretty sure the current options will exacerbate educational inequality, but I amsatisfied. I wonder can we reduce the FARMS to 5% or even lower for Churchill?

Are we looking at different data set? For all 4 options, Churchill Asian decrease from 37% to34.7% and farm from 9.9% to 9.8%.

So why even mess with Wootton families and force them to move out to QO and crown? There are only losers and the ones being moved out are the relatively poorer ones. Financial hit on them will be devastating. What’s even worse is that their kids will have to be separated from their friends. This kind of double whammy is too much.

Every school is going to experience change when a new school opens. They are not going to leave Wootton and Churchill as is in a boundary study. Can you imagine the backlash? And at least for Wootton there are definitely neighborhoods in the Wootton cluster close to Crown, some even walking distance like part of Fallsmead's boundary. And DuFief area is nowhere near Wootton. Ridgeview or Lakelands Park and QO makes much more sense for DuFief.

Every option has at least two Wootton elementary school impacted. What’s even worse in option 2 and 4 are small neighborhoods in both Lakewood and stone mill gets split. Who has empathy on these few kids who will have to be separated from their friends since 5 to a new high school with nobody else???

Kids are resilient. They will make new friends, especially when they are younger.

No my kids are not resilient. I hope your kids get the same change and be resilient

They have. My one kid moved ES 2x. They are now in college, at an oos internship making good money.

Moving in ES is totally different from being forced to move in HS. If you don’t wear my shoes, then don’t tell me kids are resilient

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My bad, i read the table wrong. Yes, the numbers are all about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 1&3: Churchill Asian increased from 33% to 37%, FARMS decreased from 10.9% to 9.9%. Wootton Asian increased from 37.4% to 43.2% and FARMS decreased from 13.4% to 11.9%.

I'm pretty sure the current options will exacerbate educational inequality, but I amsatisfied. I wonder can we reduce the FARMS to 5% or even lower for Churchill?

Are we looking at different data set? For all 4 options, Churchill Asian decrease from 37% to34.7% and farm from 9.9% to 9.8%.

So why even mess with Wootton families and force them to move out to QO and crown? There are only losers and the ones being moved out are the relatively poorer ones. Financial hit on them will be devastating. What’s even worse is that their kids will have to be separated from their friends. This kind of double whammy is too much.

Every school is going to experience change when a new school opens. They are not going to leave Wootton and Churchill as is in a boundary study. Can you imagine the backlash? And at least for Wootton there are definitely neighborhoods in the Wootton cluster close to Crown, some even walking distance like part of Fallsmead's boundary. And DuFief area is nowhere near Wootton. Ridgeview or Lakelands Park and QO makes much more sense for DuFief.

Every option has at least two Wootton elementary school impacted. What’s even worse in option 2 and 4 are small neighborhoods in both Lakewood and stone mill gets split. Who has empathy on these few kids who will have to be separated from their friends since 5 to a new high school with nobody else???

Kids are resilient. They will make new friends, especially when they are younger.

No my kids are not resilient. I hope your kids get the same change and be resilient

They have. My one kid moved ES 2x. They are now in college, at an oos internship making good money.

Oh, and they also ended up at a different MS from some of their friends -- split articulation.