How can we combat deep misogyny?

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Anonymous wrote:I think we need to give up on the Andrew Tates and Joe Rogans and just raise boys better from the ground up.

It makes me so happy when my 4 yr old nephew asks before he touches, or talks about his feelings and can verbalize them. That's the kind of stuff everyone needs to be teaching little boys. (And that they're NOT owed everything they want by the world.)

here is exhibit A as to why you have no clue whats going on outside your bubble. Andrew State and Joe Rogan are TOTALLY DIFFERENT. Andrew Tate is a convicted male macho Muslim and Joe Rogan is a laid back normal guy that isn't extreme. Until you start understanding the difference you won't make people think anything other than you are batshit crazy.

Joe Rogan is not a laid back normal guy. Anyone who endorses a rapist and convicted felon for president is not normal. A president should be held to a standard of having never done anything illegal beyond a traffic violation. That shouldn't be too high a bar.

You don't make the rules.

Actually, it turns out there are no rules.
It's telling that 89% of Rogan's interview guests have been men.

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It's pretty simple, actually.
Trump ran 3x. Won against 2 women, lost to one very old man.
Sounds like sexism to me.

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In the wake of the former president’s shocking political comeback, women have reported men are writing “your body, my choice” on their social media posts, among other troubling reproductive rights remarks.

The slogan “my body, my choice” was originally popularised by feminists defending reproductive choices as rights in the Sixties. However, the phrase has now been co-opted for the adverse effect.

All three justices Trump appointed to the Supreme Court ruled in favour of reversing Roe v Wade in 2022, handing a major victory to activists who fought to overturn the constitutional right to an abortion.

Nick Fuentes, the white nationalist podcaster known for his long history of antisemitic and misogynistic remarks, wrote on X/Twitter as Trump’s victory emerged: “Your body, my choice. Forever.”

The phrase has gained fast popularity on TikTok, where numerous women have been told their bodies no longer belong to them following the presidential election result.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/trump-misogyny-tiktok-reproductive-rights-us-election-b2643207.html

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After reading this thread, I'm going to stop dating Colombian babes and start dating the feminists of DCUM.

Can't wait!

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Anonymous wrote:You need to dispense of the notion that men and women are equally equipped and inclined to handled the same things. Much of what is deemed "misogyny" is simply just taking this reality as a first principle rather than seeking absolute "equality" in everything, which is folly. Equality is a mirage.

And here is why she lost. RIGHT HERE!!!! Blatant, unapologetic misogyny on display.

On the contrary, I think you are Exhibit A of why she lost. You can't even handle a little sober truth without freaking out. This behavior is repellant to most of America.

Please don't mistake your bigoted views for the "truth." Live with the fact that you think that women are inferior and accept the fact that you're a misogynist. That is the only truth. Another sad truth is that there were many of you this time around and you elected another bigot. Good for you. For now.

All I said was that men and women have different inclinations and capacities. This is the truth. Apparently this was too much for you to handle without getting bent out of shape and reading a bunch of mumbo jumbo into what was a very simple statement. You are the problem.

This kind of gaslighting works on uneducated women. Not the vast majority of us on here (who have at least a BS/BAdegree). We are capable of having discussions with nuance and reading between the lines. You have said women are not capable of the job.

You are bringing your own baggage into your reading of what I said. Plenty of women are capable of being President. Choose and create for them instead of trying to force a mediocrity like Kamala down our throats.

But that's not what you said!!!!! You said women are not equal to men. We "need to dispense of the notion that men and women are equally equipped and inclined to handled the same things."

Yes, if you take the average man and the average woman, they are not equal in inclination or capacity. It's ok to acknowledge this and silly to present otherwise. It does not mean that no woman has the capacity or inclination to be the President. I thought this thread was about misogyny, broadly speaking.

How nice to start playing dumb now. It's one thing to say Kamala was not qualified to be president because of her record, policy plans or any number of things. It's entirely different to say that Kamala lost because women are not capable of being president which is what you did and continue to do even though you're pretending not to.

And NO, women do not have different abilities or inclinations when it comes to running for office. Only a misogynist would say that. Which is what you are.

Please show me where I said that.

Your last few sentences are silly. Of course they do. Unless you believe that all of those studies touting women as more empathetic leaders than men are complete bunk. Yeah...thought so.

What a beta you are - it makes perfect sense why you feel threatened by intelligent women. I’m glad my husband is a real man who doesn’t spend his afternoons trolling mommy blogs.

Oh, no! Not beta!! I am finished!

Funny how you probably balk at men calling themselves "alpha" but fall right into the same paradigm when you get rattled to try to score points. You're a hypocrite.

I laugh at all the men who call themselves alphas because they simply aren’t. Men calling themselves alphas are such low value men that they need to try to convince people they aren’t losers. If you need to say it…

I fully acknowledge there are alphas and betas in this world. I believe women or men can be alphas. And I admit I find betas a total turn off. I married an alpha (he would never call himself that because he thinks it’s dumb) but it’s true. He has a high pressure, high paying job. I wouldn’t settle for a poor loser that tells everyone they are an alpha while spending the day arguing with a stay at home mom sitting in the carpool lane.. But I’m sure you have other redeeming qualities other than being a total beta.

NP. You’re not really helping our cause. Please stop with the alpha/beta shit.

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Different perspective. I have never felt misogyny in the workplace. I have had great jobs, multiple promotions, etc.
I think Nikki H would also have beat Kamala H.

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty simple, actually.
Trump ran 3x. Won against 2 women, lost to one very old man.
Sounds like sexism to me.

Yup.

And not just any man. A total POS.

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Anonymous wrote:In the wake of the former president’s shocking political comeback, women have reported men are writing “your body, my choice” on their social media posts, among other troubling reproductive rights remarks.

The slogan “my body, my choice” was originally popularised by feminists defending reproductive choices as rights in the Sixties. However, the phrase has now been co-opted for the adverse effect.

All three justices Trump appointed to the Supreme Court ruled in favour of reversing Roe v Wade in 2022, handing a major victory to activists who fought to overturn the constitutional right to an abortion.

Nick Fuentes, the white nationalist podcaster known for his long history of antisemitic and misogynistic remarks, wrote on X/Twitter as Trump’s victory emerged: “Your body, my choice. Forever.”

The phrase has gained fast popularity on TikTok, where numerous women have been told their bodies no longer belong to them following the presidential election result.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/trump-misogyny-tiktok-reproductive-rights-us-election-b2643207.html

Wow. So disgusting.

Trump emboldens all of the very fine people.

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Anonymous wrote:Different perspective. I have never felt misogyny in the workplace. I have had great jobs, multiple promotions, etc.
I think Nikki H would also have beat Kamala H.

You’ve personally never felt it, therefore it’s not real.

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It's apparent that it runs incredibly deep in this country,


It's far from apparent to this woman.

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Anonymous wrote:seriously what is the Republican thing with Jamaicans not being black? Are Bob Marley, Usain Bolt, Harry Belafonte, and Shaggy not black either? Or just Kamala?

Well technically Bob Marley is half Black.

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Great news. First female chief of staff!

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Anonymous wrote:It's apparent that it runs incredibly deep in this country, where a woman's professional status is put under a significantly higher scrutiny than a man's, or the standards for which she could be put in the same professional level with a man (or higher) are impossibly unrealistic. She will never be "enough" even compared to males with mediocrity.

If we can somehow avoid talking about politics, can we please have a serious discussion about how deep misogyny runs in America (and yes, much more than many other places--or at least in different ways) and how we can successfully combat it? Is it possible? What do you think works well in other countries? What can we do here?

I honestly see exactly the opposite in the professional world. Leadership goes out of its way to promote female and URM candidates, often with qualifications that generally wouldn’t merit consideration. If a group is all female/URM it’s considered a good thing, a group that’s full of white guys is a problem that needs to get fixed. I just want to work with the most qualified person; I really couldn’t give a crap about anything else. I’ve had my female boss (who’s absolutely amazing) explicitly tell me that she will favor female candidates to “overcome” the unconscious bias she’s sure they’re experiencing in hiring. Luckily she also has very high standards so everyone we’ve hired has been good, but this message going the other direction would get someone fired.

I remember a few years back when a tech recruiting company was trying combat “sexism” in their online hiring tool. Female candidates were ranked lower in technical competence and had a lower rate of getting callback for jobs, even though the process was largely anonymous. They surmised that since people could tell the gender of the person over the phone, that’s where the bias crept in.

They ran an experiment using software that would alter the gender of the speaker; I listened and it was absolutely amazing how well it worked. They kept a control group where the voices went through the algorithm but the gender didn’t change to account for digital artifacts.

They found the following:

1) Digitally processed voices without a gender swap showed no changes.
2) Men modified to women had higher scores and callback rates than unaltered.
3) Women modified to men had lower scores and callback rates than unaltered.

So, the takeaway that there was bias, but it was bias against men and towards woman, even though the initial impetus for this was the “obvious” bias against women.

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Anonymous wrote:Put up a better female candidate next time and stop blaming it on this.

In what world is a grifter, rapist, insurrectionist, and convicted felon a better candidate?

4% unemployed and 2% inflation

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Anonymous wrote:You need to dispense of the notion that men and women are equally equipped and inclined to handled the same things. Much of what is deemed "misogyny" is simply just taking this reality as a first principle rather than seeking absolute "equality" in everything, which is folly. Equality is a mirage.

And here is why she lost. RIGHT HERE!!!! Blatant, unapologetic misogyny on display.

On the contrary, I think you are Exhibit A of why she lost. You can't even handle a little sober truth without freaking out. This behavior is repellant to most of America.

Please don't mistake your bigoted views for the "truth." Live with the fact that you think that women are inferior and accept the fact that you're a misogynist. That is the only truth. Another sad truth is that there were many of you this time around and you elected another bigot. Good for you. For now.

All I said was that men and women have different inclinations and capacities. This is the truth. Apparently this was too much for you to handle without getting bent out of shape and reading a bunch of mumbo jumbo into what was a very simple statement. You are the problem.

Yeah, I'm sure Kalmala wasn't qualified to be president because she can't bench press 200 lbs. GMAFB

Kamala is not a good candidate. It's ok to admit that without falling into the silly trap of calling everyone misogynist for pointing out her very obvious deficiencies, which are not counterbalanced by any particularly noteworthy gifts. In the realm of presidential politics, she's not particularly good or standout at anything. You may think you are helping, but it does no one any favors.

No, no. Not everyone. I called you a misogynist in direct response to your comments. So let's get that straight. Own your "truth."

You think an elected senator, an AG and a prosecutor is less qualified or not good at anything?

How about slowing down and stop frothing? In the realm of presidential politics, yes she is nothing special at all. She has no standout qualities or gifts. If all you can list are titles, perhaps you agree with me deep down.

Oh FFS it's like talking to a pigeon. What qualities does your guy have? Failed businesses? A criminal record? A filed TV show? Even if you take away all of the rhetoric he spews, Kamala is and always will be more qualified than Trump. She is more educated, has been elected to more positions and is younger and sharper.

What does qualities does your guy have? Won two national presidential elections. How about your girl?

Np. Right there is an example. Harris is a woman. Not a 'girl'. I agree orange dude ia a toddler bit you would never say boy

I was responding to a poster who called Trump a "guy." In the name of equity, shouldn't Harris be a "girl." If the poster referred to Trump as a man, I would have referred to Harris as a woman.

Well, the proper opposite of “guy” is “gal”, not “girl”.