DEI at Michigan--NYT article

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus, Joseph, and Mary. $250 million on DEI bullcrap. Imagine how many scholarships that money could have paid for, how many professors' salaries or research initiatives. What a waste.

So wasteful. They will realize soon enough, though. They have a massive problem on their hands. It comes in the form of their students.

OP here.

The craziest part of the article is that NO ONE seems to benefit from Michigan's DEI initiative.

Black students feel that they haven't benefitted.

Professors are living in fear.

Vast amounts of money spent, and it's had absolutely no measurable benefit.

The programs are a bureaucracy that exists for its own benefit

Dei is a business

Big business. I’m still trying to figure out what the DEI director at my organization does, beyond spend money.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus, Joseph, and Mary. $250 million on DEI bullcrap. Imagine how many scholarships that money could have paid for, how many professors' salaries or research initiatives. What a waste.

So wasteful. They will realize soon enough, though. They have a massive problem on their hands. It comes in the form of their students.

OP here.

The craziest part of the article is that NO ONE seems to benefit from Michigan's DEI initiative.

Black students feel that they haven't benefitted.

Professors are living in fear.

Vast amounts of money spent, and it's had absolutely no measurable benefit.

The programs are a bureaucracy that exists for its own benefit

Dei is a business

Big business. I’m still trying to figure out what the DEI director at my organization does, beyond spend money.

Welcome to Administrations and "People" teams. To justify their existence, they have to center it around making more effective workspaces while doing no actual work.

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The money would probably be better spent on scholarships for disadvantaged, low income kids.

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Anonymous wrote:The money would probably be better spent on scholarships for disadvantaged, low income kids.

They have that for in-state kids.

https://goblueguarantee.umich.edu/ann-arbor/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus, Joseph, and Mary. $250 million on DEI bullcrap. Imagine how many scholarships that money could have paid for, how many professors' salaries or research initiatives. What a waste.

So wasteful. They will realize soon enough, though. They have a massive problem on their hands. It comes in the form of their students.

OP here.

The craziest part of the article is that NO ONE seems to benefit from Michigan's DEI initiative.

Black students feel that they haven't benefitted.

Professors are living in fear.

Vast amounts of money spent, and it's had absolutely no measurable benefit.

The programs are a bureaucracy that exists for its own benefit

Dei is a business

Big business. I’m still trying to figure out what the DEI director at my organization does, beyond spend money.

I think the top DEI staff earn $250,000-$300,000 at the Div I colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:The article lost me at this point:
"A 2021 report from the conservative Heritage Foundation examining the growth of D.E.I. programs across higher education — the only such study that currently exists — found Michigan to have by far the largest D.E.I. bureaucracy of any large public university. Tens of thousands of undergraduates have completed bias training. Thousands of instructors have been trained in inclusive teaching."

Why is the heritage foundation so obsessed with DEI? To them it may seem like a heavy-handed correction what U Mich is doing, but they took a calculated risk that this was going to be necessary to be a competitive university to attract younger generation of applicants so they invested accordingly.

You read that article & your conclusion is that Heritage is wrong to be concerned about DEI initiatives at colleges? The message I took from this is that it is pretty interesting that the Heritage Foundation is the only entity to do a study on this topic. Why wouldn’t any of the proponents of these initiatives be excited about examining how valuable and productive they are?

Also, there are other studies showing that anti bias initiatives and training are counterproductive in the corporate world.

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Anonymous wrote:DEI is on its way out. Better late than never.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/21/opinions/harvard-dei-initiatives-decline-gest/index.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/22/google-meta-other-tech-giants-cut-dei-programs-in-2023.html?msockid=2932ca7c507d66ae3b59c5a751806746

It's really not. It is just being implemented at the department level rather than campus wide. This is so universities can receive less lawsuits

-R1 Professor.

“Fewer” lawsuits, not “less.”

Please tell me that you lied about being a professor.

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Anonymous wrote:Malcolm X was right, guilt ridden UMC white libs are the worst. Always "whitesplaining" to us black "folk" cause it makes them "feels" good to be the white knight. As a black person reading some of these posts it's really something to behold.

Do you think racism exists in the US today?

If so, do you think it should be addressed? How?

Probably not by sending a bunch of emails and surveys to disaffected students again and again the way Michigan does.

You’re minimizing the work they’ve done over the last decade, including better representation in faculty.

You mean they've mau-maued the faculty into regularly hiring less qualified candidates and made everyone sign terroristic "diversity statements". Yeah good job.

Do you know what terrorism means? It takes like 10 minutes for a faculty applicant to write how they’ve mentored a student of color before. It’s not an unreasonable demand.

Harvard and MIT thought it was an unreasonable demand, and ended the practice.

This is an incorrect read. They thought it was compelled speech.

An institution could force all of its faculty to walk for 5 minutes. That is not an unreasonable demand, but it is one that is unnecessary perhaps. Know what unreasonable means.

Reasonable compelled speech? Did you go to law school to come up with that distinction?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus, Joseph, and Mary. $250 million on DEI bullcrap. Imagine how many scholarships that money could have paid for, how many professors' salaries or research initiatives. What a waste.

So wasteful. They will realize soon enough, though. They have a massive problem on their hands. It comes in the form of their students.

OP here.

The craziest part of the article is that NO ONE seems to benefit from Michigan's DEI initiative.

Black students feel that they haven't benefitted.

Professors are living in fear.

Vast amounts of money spent, and it's had absolutely no measurable benefit.

The programs are a bureaucracy that exists for its own benefit

Dei is a business

Big business. I’m still trying to figure out what the DEI director at my organization does, beyond spend money.

Consider it protection money you have to pay to your DEI people to keep the other DEI people away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The article lost me at this point:
"A 2021 report from the conservative Heritage Foundation examining the growth of D.E.I. programs across higher education — the only such study that currently exists — found Michigan to have by far the largest D.E.I. bureaucracy of any large public university. Tens of thousands of undergraduates have completed bias training. Thousands of instructors have been trained in inclusive teaching."

Why is the heritage foundation so obsessed with DEI? To them it may seem like a heavy-handed correction what U Mich is doing, but they took a calculated risk that this was going to be necessary to be a competitive university to attract younger generation of applicants so they invested accordingly.

You read that article & your conclusion is that Heritage is wrong to be concerned about DEI initiatives at colleges? The message I took from this is that it is pretty interesting that the Heritage Foundation is the only entity to do a study on this topic. Why wouldn’t any of the proponents of these initiatives be excited about examining how valuable and productive they are?

Also, there are other studies showing that anti bias initiatives and training are counterproductive in the corporate world.

How would you suggest solving issues of bias in the corporate world?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article lost me at this point:
"A 2021 report from the conservative Heritage Foundation examining the growth of D.E.I. programs across higher education — the only such study that currently exists — found Michigan to have by far the largest D.E.I. bureaucracy of any large public university. Tens of thousands of undergraduates have completed bias training. Thousands of instructors have been trained in inclusive teaching."

Why is the heritage foundation so obsessed with DEI? To them it may seem like a heavy-handed correction what U Mich is doing, but they took a calculated risk that this was going to be necessary to be a competitive university to attract younger generation of applicants so they invested accordingly.

You read that article & your conclusion is that Heritage is wrong to be concerned about DEI initiatives at colleges? The message I took from this is that it is pretty interesting that the Heritage Foundation is the only entity to do a study on this topic. Why wouldn’t any of the proponents of these initiatives be excited about examining how valuable and productive they are?

Also, there are other studies showing that anti bias initiatives and training are counterproductive in the corporate world.

Heritage is also the entity that created project 2025. So it’s interesting that you find it interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn't earn it.

Didn't earn it.

Didn't earn it.

Disgusting POS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Malcolm X was right, guilt ridden UMC white libs are the worst. Always "whitesplaining" to us black "folk" cause it makes them "feels" good to be the white knight. As a black person reading some of these posts it's really something to behold.

Do you think racism exists in the US today?

If so, do you think it should be addressed? How?

Probably not by sending a bunch of emails and surveys to disaffected students again and again the way Michigan does.

You’re minimizing the work they’ve done over the last decade, including better representation in faculty.

You mean they've mau-maued the faculty into regularly hiring less qualified candidates and made everyone sign terroristic "diversity statements". Yeah good job.

“Interesting” that you automatically assume that means “less qualified”.

Guess we still need DEI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Malcolm X was right, guilt ridden UMC white libs are the worst. Always "whitesplaining" to us black "folk" cause it makes them "feels" good to be the white knight. As a black person reading some of these posts it's really something to behold.

Do you think racism exists in the US today?

If so, do you think it should be addressed? How?

Probably not by sending a bunch of emails and surveys to disaffected students again and again the way Michigan does.

You’re minimizing the work they’ve done over the last decade, including better representation in faculty.

You mean they've mau-maued the faculty into regularly hiring less qualified candidates and made everyone sign terroristic "diversity statements". Yeah good job.

Do you know what terrorism means? It takes like 10 minutes for a faculty applicant to write how they’ve mentored a student of color before. It’s not an unreasonable demand.

Harvard and MIT thought it was an unreasonable demand, and ended the practice.

This is an incorrect read. They thought it was compelled speech.

An institution could force all of its faculty to walk for 5 minutes. That is not an unreasonable demand, but it is one that is unnecessary perhaps. Know what unreasonable means.

Reasonable compelled speech? Did you go to law school to come up with that distinction?

You’re genuinely obnoxious. If someone makes you write an essay,do you cry that it’s unreasonable. Grow tf up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The money would probably be better spent on scholarships for disadvantaged, low income kids.

They have that for in-state kids.

https://goblueguarantee.umich.edu/ann-arbor/

Now compare the funding.