If every kid is doing the same damn EC

[Anonymous]

I have never heard of either Joshua Bell or the other guy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.

Here is a real world example. If you have Patrick Monahan and Joshua Bell walking down the street in NYC side by side, the police would have to block the street for Patrick Monahan for the fans, while Joshua Bell would be unrecognized by almost no one. Patrick Monahan is the singer and ukelele player of the group train with the famous song "soul sister". The Ukelele player outshines the violin player every time.
Promise to never use the Joshua Bell example again. You’ve beaten that dead horse. enough

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Anonymous wrote:One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
​AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response: There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response: There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
​AO response: There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response: Now that's unique. We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers
AO response: Amazing. You know how to monetize your influence. It means more exposure for the university. Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.

A university wants successful accomplished and famous alumni.
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS.
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.

The jab at my kid aside, you are wrong about what tests measure.

My guess is your kid has crappy test scores and you are trying to cope.

I'll bite. Yes, my kid does have crappy scores (like REALLY crappy, like people on DCUM would have said go to community college crappy). Yet somehow, they are sitting next to your kid at a T25 and have had internships and leadership roles, so go figure. They happen to have EQ off the hook and are above average intelligence (think IQ of 120 or so). And no, they are not an athlete (well, they are but not for the college and not olympic level or anything).

And you think that makes your kid is interesting and creative while my kid is a grinder?

Oh no. My kid is a grinder, too. They just did not have high test scores (learning disabilities— any successful kid with LDs knows how to grind), but I think their EQ sets them apart. It has given them the things on their resume that set them apart. My point was test scores are not the be all and end all (or maybe even necessary at all).

You're not the same poster that felt the need to insult a random stranger's kid about 3 posts up, are you?

[Anonymous]

So....?
music
theater
model un
unltimate frisbee
job
tutoring others
volunteer "under privileged" etc..

[Anonymous]

Def not model un

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re on AN, the kids who have a serious Art component to their application (along with a more traditional academic major) who perhaps would be a double major, seem to be really really strong applicants.

Sara seems to spend extra time on those cases. All gunning for T10.

There’s definitely a formula for a little bit of left brain and a little bit of right brain.

What is a "serious Art component"? Can you give an example?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Def not model un

Just showing up at a meeting or conference means nothing, multiple best delegate or outstanding delegate awards means a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Def not model un

Just showing up at a meeting or conference means nothing, multiple best delegate or outstanding delegate awards means a lot.

Not in our experience- sooo common.

[Anonymous]

How about the President of NHS, Spanish National Honor Society, etc.? Too common?

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Anonymous wrote:How about the President of NHS, Spanish National Honor Society, etc.? Too common?

Not real ECs

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Anonymous wrote:Def not model un

Just showing up at a meeting or conference means nothing, multiple best delegate or outstanding delegate awards means a lot.

Not in our experience- sooo common.

Not in my experience either.

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Anonymous wrote:How about the President of NHS, Spanish National Honor Society, etc.? Too common?

Not real ECs

Yes, those are more awards than ECs. Unless you have managed to actually do something important (for some meaning of the word important) as president of NHS.

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Anonymous wrote:How about the President of NHS, Spanish National Honor Society, etc.? Too common?

Too common and worthless, except the leadership part.

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Anonymous wrote:One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
​AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response: There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response: There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
​AO response: There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response: Now that's unique. We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers
AO response: Amazing. You know how to monetize your influence. It means more exposure for the university. Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.

A university wants successful accomplished and famous alumni.
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS.
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.

The jab at my kid aside, you are wrong about what tests measure.

My guess is your kid has crappy test scores and you are trying to cope.

I'll bite. Yes, my kid does have crappy scores (like REALLY crappy, like people on DCUM would have said go to community college crappy). Yet somehow, they are sitting next to your kid at a T25 and have had internships and leadership roles, so go figure. They happen to have EQ off the hook and are above average intelligence (think IQ of 120 or so). And no, they are not an athlete (well, they are but not for the college and not olympic level or anything).

And you think that makes your kid is interesting and creative while my kid is a grinder?

Oh no. My kid is a grinder, too. They just did not have high test scores (learning disabilities— any successful kid with LDs knows how to grind), but I think their EQ sets them apart. It has given them the things on their resume that set them apart. My point was test scores are not the be all and end all (or maybe even necessary at all).

You're not the same poster that felt the need to insult a random stranger's kid about 3 posts up, are you?

No. I don’t need to insult other kids. My point is that some of the things people think every kid on here needs to do are not necessary. For example, my kid doesn’t have test scores but has EQ and works really hard. It has paid off and will continue to pay off.

[Anonymous]

My DD is a senior at Langley HS, and she says that most seniors at Langley HS have pretty much the same ECs. YMMV.