Another day, another school shooting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Take some inspiration from Japan, where gun deaths are very low.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/asia/japan-gun-laws-abe-shooting-intl-hnk/index.html

Gun violence is extremely rare in Japan.

In 2018, Japan, a country of 125 million people, only reported nine deaths from firearms – compared with 39,740 that year in the United States, according to data compiled by the Sydney School of Public Health at the University of Sydney.

Nancy Snow, Japan director of the International Security Industrial Council, said the shooting would change Japan forever.

“It’s not only rare, but it’s really culturally unfathomable,” she told CNN. “The Japanese people can’t imagine having a gun culture like we have in the United States. This is a speechless moment. I really feel at a loss for words.”

According to Japanese public broadcaster NHK, citing the police, the suspect in Friday’s shooting is a local man in his 40s, who used a handmade gun.

Under Japan’s firearms laws, the only guns permitted for sale are shotguns and air rifles – handguns are outlawed. But getting them is a long and complicated process that requires effort – and lots of patience.

To qualify for a firearm license, potential buyers must attend an all-day class, pass a written test and a shooting-range test with an accuracy of at least 95%. They also must undergo a mental health evaluation and drug tests, as well as a rigorous background check – including a review of their criminal record, personal debt, involvement in organized crime and relationships with family and friends.

After obtaining a gun, the owner must register their weapon with police and provide details of where their gun and ammunition is stored, in separate, locked compartments. The gun must be inspected by the police once a year, and gun owners must retake the class and sit an exam every three years to renew their license.

The restrictions have kept the number of private gun owners in Japan extremely low.

This may come as a shock to you but Japan is not America and America is not Japan.

[Anonymous]

Start treating guns like cars. We have all of these requirements to own cars, inspections, drivers tests, and insurance. I don’t see the problem with requiring a gun safety class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only way things are going to change are:

1. Make parents legally responsible for everything their child does with firearms. Including ALL prison time as if they pulled the trigger themselves. Let the parents prove in court that they couldn’t possibly have known or prevented it.

AND

2. Make our communities safer so normal people don’t feel like they need to have weapons in the home. I came from a country with much stronger gun laws and I never wanted weapons because I knew criminals weren’t running around outside. People commit a crime and they were locked away for a very long time, period. This isn’t the case here and so yes, I’m looking to get a firearm for the house now (plus a good safe and appropriate training obviously).

When we address both of those things, things can change. Until then, it will just continue.

The first would involve a national gun safety law requiring people to lock up their weapons safely, something which you would think should be common sense and easy to do, and which 85% of Americans support, but which Republicans fight tooth and nail. Elections have consequences!

How do you enforce a law like that? Do you have police raid people’s homes to look for compliance? It’s an unenforceable law.

How do you enforce the law that people can't manufacture illegal drugs in their homes? Yet it exists and it exists so people can be prosecuted for manufacturing drugs. If people want to go after parents for making weapons accessible to kids who kill other kids and teachers at school, you have to make it a crime to not store your guns properly rather than throwing up your hands in helplessness and saying things can never change and there's no way to stop schools from being killing fields.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Start treating guns like cars. We have all of these requirements to own cars, inspections, drivers tests, and insurance. I don’t see the problem with requiring a gun safety class.

+1 So true--but the GOP fights basic common sense things like background checks for private sales. They would never allow this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry but gun control won’t fix anything. Guns aren’t the problem, people and mental illness are the problem.

I’m from Chicago where Illinois has some of the most strict gun laws. We are pretty high in the ranks for gun violence.

Banning rifles won’t do anything when most gun violence and shootings are done by a pistol.

Criminals will always find a way to get guns, regardless if it’s legal. Look at all the felons committing mass shootings ( a mass shooting is 3 or more people shot) with illegal guns.

What we need to do is look into social media ties and mental illness. Why is it that gun ownership was prevalent before 2010 and we didn’t hear of any mass shootings as a normal occurrence. Social media has been on a drain on our society for years. All these mentally ill kids trying to become famous.


We can guns and we will took into the next London. They are having a huge epidemic of knifing deaths and attacks.

While we are at it, let’s ban cars too. They kill way more people and have been used by certain extremists to mow people down in mass events.

Taking the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government is not the answer. The answer is properly treating the mentally ill and doing away with social media.

Good lord, People like you are why we can't have nice things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Take some inspiration from Japan, where gun deaths are very low.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/asia/japan-gun-laws-abe-shooting-intl-hnk/index.html

Gun violence is extremely rare in Japan.

In 2018, Japan, a country of 125 million people, only reported nine deaths from firearms – compared with 39,740 that year in the United States, according to data compiled by the Sydney School of Public Health at the University of Sydney.

Nancy Snow, Japan director of the International Security Industrial Council, said the shooting would change Japan forever.

“It’s not only rare, but it’s really culturally unfathomable,” she told CNN. “The Japanese people can’t imagine having a gun culture like we have in the United States. This is a speechless moment. I really feel at a loss for words.”

According to Japanese public broadcaster NHK, citing the police, the suspect in Friday’s shooting is a local man in his 40s, who used a handmade gun.

Under Japan’s firearms laws, the only guns permitted for sale are shotguns and air rifles – handguns are outlawed. But getting them is a long and complicated process that requires effort – and lots of patience.

To qualify for a firearm license, potential buyers must attend an all-day class, pass a written test and a shooting-range test with an accuracy of at least 95%. They also must undergo a mental health evaluation and drug tests, as well as a rigorous background check – including a review of their criminal record, personal debt, involvement in organized crime and relationships with family and friends.

After obtaining a gun, the owner must register their weapon with police and provide details of where their gun and ammunition is stored, in separate, locked compartments. The gun must be inspected by the police once a year, and gun owners must retake the class and sit an exam every three years to renew their license.

The restrictions have kept the number of private gun owners in Japan extremely low.

This may come as a shock to you but Japan is not America and America is not Japan.

Oh! I didn't realize that things and ideas in other countries were stopped at the border. Better tell all the Honda owners now that nothing from Japan is allowed in the USA and use it as an excuse for accepting our schools being safe!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will ever be accomplished in terms of gun control, mental health care etc, IMO.

Why are schools not secure?? I think that is what should realistically be focused on. I don’t hear about many mass shootings at courthouses, airports or sports stadiums. Metal detectors for all adults and bags (and students above a certain age), armed officer at every school K-12, fortifying the perimeter and entry points, and improved technology (so much that can be done these days). IMO this is where the focus should be…if we are being realistic

What we need is more resource officers and armed guards. Isreal implemented this and all the attacks went away.

People target gun free zones. They don’t mess with armed places.

The school shooting was only stopped because two resource officers that were armed cornered the suspect and he surrendered. We need more of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing will ever be accomplished in terms of gun control, mental health care etc, IMO.

Why are schools not secure?? I think that is what should realistically be focused on. I don’t hear about many mass shootings at courthouses, airports or sports stadiums. Metal detectors for all adults and bags (and students above a certain age), armed officer at every school K-12, fortifying the perimeter and entry points, and improved technology (so much that can be done these days). IMO this is where the focus should be…if we are being realistic

Secure? Is not "Georgia a good guy with a gun" security state? The more guns the more secure.

Random local residents (whether armed or not) are not going to be helpful in any type of school shooting situation.

Neither is law enforcement. See Uvalde for how effective 400 LEOs are against a single teenager with an AR-15.

Your ignorance is showing.

That’s one incident. Look at the amazing cops who stopped the trans shooter. No hesitation and took out that psycho within minutes. Same with the Ohio bar where cops killed the suspect before he could enter the bar and kill more people.

Two resource officers are the reason this school shooting was stopped. More people would be dead if it weren’t for their bravery to confront the shooter.

There wasn’t even 400 LEO’s in Uvalade. Stop making up your own “ facts”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

The parents should be held accountable if the gun came from their household. However, this action is just a bandaid and not a cure for the next mass shooting. We need serious gun control laws in USA.

It is shameful that all other developed/developing countries have figured this out and the USA is adamantly ignoring facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will ever be accomplished in terms of gun control, mental health care etc, IMO.

Why are schools not secure?? I think that is what should realistically be focused on. I don’t hear about many mass shootings at courthouses, airports or sports stadiums. Metal detectors for all adults and bags (and students above a certain age), armed officer at every school K-12, fortifying the perimeter and entry points, and improved technology (so much that can be done these days). IMO this is where the focus should be…if we are being realistic

How do you know there was no security? Still if you want to play this game let’s play it. Every time I get in a security line at the airport, government building or sport stadium I know no one line has been screened. Anyone around me can have a bomb, a hand gun and or an assault rifle. The security line becomes the easiest target.

The current strategy of “let’s do nothing- just wait patiently until all guns are banned” does not appear to be working out very well. Until such a thing occurs, increases in security procedures need to be the focus unless we want this to keep happening

How about a national red flag law? How about a national assault weapons ban? How about raising the age to gun ownership to over 21 nationally?

Assault weapons are already banned in America. Democrats are so ignorant about guns you can’t take them seriously.

Took a while to get to the "AR-15's aren't assault weapons. Look at me, I'm so cool and Democrats are so stupid". Thanks for your useless contribution. Certainly can't take you seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

The parents should be held accountable if the gun came from their household. However, this action is just a bandaid and not a cure for the next mass shooting. We need serious gun control laws in USA.

It is shameful that all other developed/developing countries have figured this out and the USA is adamantly ignoring facts.

+1 You’d think a visit from the FBI and the intervening conviction of the Michigan shooter’s parents would have clued them in but some people have more guns than brains.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

The parents should be held accountable if the gun came from their household. However, this action is just a bandaid and not a cure for the next mass shooting. We need serious gun control laws in USA.

It is shameful that all other developed/developing countries have figured this out and the USA is adamantly ignoring facts.

This is not that hard to figure out. The USA is the only high income country with this degree of gun violence. But the GOP is in the pockets of the NRA and would rather keep those contributions even if kids get slaughtered regularly at school by people who have no business having guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry but gun control won’t fix anything. Guns aren’t the problem, people and mental illness are the problem.

I’m from Chicago where Illinois has some of the most strict gun laws. We are pretty high in the ranks for gun violence.

Banning rifles won’t do anything when most gun violence and shootings are done by a pistol.

Criminals will always find a way to get guns, regardless if it’s legal. Look at all the felons committing mass shootings ( a mass shooting is 3 or more people shot) with illegal guns.

What we need to do is look into social media ties and mental illness. Why is it that gun ownership was prevalent before 2010 and we didn’t hear of any mass shootings as a normal occurrence. Social media has been on a drain on our society for years. All these mentally ill kids trying to become famous.


We can guns and we will took into the next London. They are having a huge epidemic of knifing deaths and attacks.

While we are at it, let’s ban cars too. They kill way more people and have been used by certain extremists to mow people down in mass events.

Taking the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government is not the answer. The answer is properly treating the mentally ill and doing away with social media.

And most of the guns used in crimes were purchased in the neighboring states with more relaxed gun laws. People tend to leave that part out when they use Chicago as an example of how gun laws don't work. How many are coming from Indiana???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents must be held accountable! Police investigated the kid last year for threatening to shoot up his school. Mom and dad should be in jail with him.

Yup.
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”

The state must get involved. We cannot trust the word or judgement of just any parent . Do you think troubled kids ever have troubled parents ????

How come these red states think they can dictate how a woman’s womb is used. Come between her and her doctor, but not enter a household that contains firearms and a troubled kid? Therapy and weapons confiscation should have been mandated in this case.

If the gun came from their house, hopefully the state holds the parents accountable and puts them on trial. That's a small step that can start helping until we politicians/judges who will enable real answers.

The parents should be held accountable if the gun came from their household. However, this action is just a bandaid and not a cure for the next mass shooting. We need serious gun control laws in USA.

It is shameful that all other developed/developing countries have figured this out and the USA is adamantly ignoring facts.

+1 You’d think a visit from the FBI and the intervening conviction of the Michigan shooter’s parents would have clued them in but some people have more guns than brains.

The FBI has said there was no law that the kid violated. You don't like it--advocate for changing the laws so that there are more restrictions on storing and using guns. If not, you're just blowing hot air. Thoughts and prayers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Armed Venzulean gangsters taking over apartment complexes didn't get anyone to call for gun ban.

Wierd...

They are here illegally and can’t legally purchase a gun. Their weapons are illegal.

And this 14-year-old kid didn’t purchase a gun in his own, so I’m not sure what him control law would have prevented this school shooting.

+1. Bad parenting, social media, and mental illness are the problem.


My brother is a hunter and his son and daughter grew up sound guns. My nephew was taught that a gun is never a toy and proper use of a gun. He went to the shooting range too. My nephew didn’t let anyone know about the multiple guns in the home. My brother kept then locked in a safe.

I grew up and didn’t even know there was a fireman in the home. It was in a safe in a private area in the home.

The parents failed here. The fact that the parents let their child have unrestricted access to firearms after the FBI intervention means they are responsible for their minor child’s actions.