Vacancies

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Anonymous wrote:ESOL positions filled!!! You can go to the staff directory now of all the schools and they are updated.

I just looked at the FCPS Vacancy List and counted 17 ESOL advertised.

Why is esol so important? Most kids are not esol.

Wow.

“Why is early literacy important… a majority of kids are not in grades K or 1”

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But everyone starts out in k or 1. Don't tell me that the number one priority for FCPS should be esol of all things. Get a life!

Unless you are in certain pyramids, ESOL is exploding everywhere else in FCPS. It actually makes up a very large percentage of students.

That's kinda scary. Vote!

Why is that scary?

Because she said only 5 kids were not esol in her class. I am a former esol kid myself and I would not be ok with my kid being in this class. I can see having one or two esol kids here and there but to have the majority of kids in a class being esol? Sorry but something is wrong on a much larger level if there is that much of we have influx of people coming here to have such an impact on a school. Most are probably not going through the proper process. It's a large burden on our limited resources.

I've spent most of my career in majority ESL schools. Typically 90% or so ended the year at or above grade level. Last year I moved to a 40k a year private school with zero ESL students. Only about 80% ended up at or above grade level. And fwiw, most kids ARE going through the proper process. I know because I help with the enrollment.

Do you have data that backs what you are saying? Show us data that shows that schools with high esol % of students score better than schools with low esol %. My family member teaches in Maryland and tells me that they have kids that just show up one day and they look much older than they claim to be, speak zero English and seems like they have never been inside of a classroom before despite being teens. Is this all the kids? No. Is it a large enough amount that it raises eyebrows? Yes. Is it their fault? No it isn't, nor is it the schools but that doesn't mean that educating them should be the top priority of the school system.

No, not saying ESL students in general do better, just that MY ESL students in early primary did better than my incredibly wealthy students in early primary did. Yes I have the data and obviously I cannot share that with you.

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Anonymous wrote:ESOL positions filled!!! You can go to the staff directory now of all the schools and they are updated.

I just looked at the FCPS Vacancy List and counted 17 ESOL advertised.

Why is esol so important? Most kids are not esol.

Wow.

“Why is early literacy important… a majority of kids are not in grades K or 1”

🙄

But everyone starts out in k or 1. Don't tell me that the number one priority for FCPS should be esol of all things. Get a life!

Unless you are in certain pyramids, ESOL is exploding everywhere else in FCPS. It actually makes up a very large percentage of students.

That's kinda scary. Vote!

Why is that scary?

Because she said only 5 kids were not esol in her class. I am a former esol kid myself and I would not be ok with my kid being in this class. I can see having one or two esol kids here and there but to have the majority of kids in a class being esol? Sorry but something is wrong on a much larger level if there is that much of we have influx of people coming here to have such an impact on a school. Most are probably not going through the proper process. It's a large burden on our limited resources.

I've spent most of my career in majority ESL schools. Typically 90% or so ended the year at or above grade level. Last year I moved to a 40k a year private school with zero ESL students. Only about 80% ended up at or above grade level. And fwiw, most kids ARE going through the proper process. I know because I help with the enrollment.

Do you have data that backs what you are saying? Show us data that shows that schools with high esol % of students score better than schools with low esol %. My family member teaches in Maryland and tells me that they have kids that just show up one day and they look much older than they claim to be, speak zero English and seems like they have never been inside of a classroom before despite being teens. Is this all the kids? No. Is it a large enough amount that it raises eyebrows? Yes. Is it their fault? No it isn't, nor is it the schools but that doesn't mean that educating them should be the top priority of the school system.

No, not saying ESL students in general do better, just that MY ESL students in early primary did better than my incredibly wealthy students in early primary did. Yes I have the data and obviously I cannot share that with you.

No one knows what you are comparing. It is likely an apple to an orange. Why don't you compare the test scores of a high esol FCPS school to a low esol FCPS school? FCPS and "private 40k/yr schools" don't even do the same testing.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know how the last hiring fair went and if they hired a lot of people?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how the last hiring fair went and if they hired a lot of people?

I'm sure they hired people....but are these people teachers? We have a lot of "trainees" in this county.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how the last hiring fair went and if they hired a lot of people?

I'm sure they hired people....but are these people teachers? We have a lot of "trainees" in this county.

Yeah you are right they probably hired... People.. and not necessarily actual teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how the last hiring fair went and if they hired a lot of people?

I'm sure they hired people....but are these people teachers? We have a lot of "trainees" in this county.

Yeah you are right they probably hired... People.. and not necessarily actual teachers.

Every other job field is facing a tough job market meanwhile in education you can have a job in less than a week. I thought recession would make the shortage slow down but it is still really bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how the last hiring fair went and if they hired a lot of people?

I'm sure they hired people....but are these people teachers? We have a lot of "trainees" in this county.

Yeah you are right they probably hired... People.. and not necessarily actual teachers.

Every other job field is facing a tough job market meanwhile in education you can have a job in less than a week. I thought recession would make the shortage slow down but it is still really bad.

Even individuals desperate for a job don’t want to teach.

[Anonymous]

Not FCPS but a year or two ago, I told a principal that I was going to the job fair the following day. She hired me over the phone within 5 minutes. Later a colleague told me that she hired 5-6 of us new teachers over the phone in the two days before the job fair because she knew other principals would do the same on the spot at the fair.

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Anonymous wrote:Not FCPS but a year or two ago, I told a principal that I was going to the job fair the following day. She hired me over the phone within 5 minutes. Later a colleague told me that she hired 5-6 of us new teachers over the phone in the two days before the job fair because she knew other principals would do the same on the spot at the fair.

Smart principal!

[Anonymous]

Most of the positions are listed as FTE. So if you just do a search on the vacancy page for FTE, it'll return 388 hits. So there's how many vacancies there are give or take (some listings could be for multiple positions).

It's pretty similar to last year.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the positions are listed as FTE. So if you just do a search on the vacancy page for FTE, it'll return 388 hits. So there's how many vacancies there are give or take (some listings could be for multiple positions).

It's pretty similar to last year.

This is very troubling. It’s been four years since the pandemic and it’s not slowing down.

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It won’t slow down. The number of students going into teach from teacher prep programs has dropped by a third. Districts have ramped up their recruiting overseas and their alternative programs. Unfortunately most of our alternative program teachers don’t last long.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the positions are listed as FTE. So if you just do a search on the vacancy page for FTE, it'll return 388 hits. So there's how many vacancies there are give or take (some listings could be for multiple positions).

It's pretty similar to last year.

This is very troubling. It’s been four years since the pandemic and it’s not slowing down.

What’s the connection between the pandemic and the teacher shortage?

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the positions are listed as FTE. So if you just do a search on the vacancy page for FTE, it'll return 388 hits. So there's how many vacancies there are give or take (some listings could be for multiple positions).

It's pretty similar to last year.

This is very troubling. It’s been four years since the pandemic and it’s not slowing down.

What’s the connection between the pandemic and the teacher shortage?

Some teachers decided that after working at home, they decided they wanted continue with that. Deloitte was snatching up teachers left and right in 2021. We had a 4th grade teacher take a job there 6 weeks before school ended.

Then there was a wave who left (and have continued) to leave after dealing with such challenging behaviors. Kids were not well when they came back. After being isolated at home and having hours and hours of access to the worst parts of the internet, things were not pretty in 2021. That combined with the decrease in teacher prep program and the vitriol lobbed against teachers (by some parents) have all led to where we are today in 2024.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the positions are listed as FTE. So if you just do a search on the vacancy page for FTE, it'll return 388 hits. So there's how many vacancies there are give or take (some listings could be for multiple positions).

It's pretty similar to last year.

This is very troubling. It’s been four years since the pandemic and it’s not slowing down.

What’s the connection between the pandemic and the teacher shortage?

Some teachers decided that after working at home, they decided they wanted continue with that. Deloitte was snatching up teachers left and right in 2021. We had a 4th grade teacher take a job there 6 weeks before school ended.

Then there was a wave who left (and have continued) to leave after dealing with such challenging behaviors. Kids were not well when they came back. After being isolated at home and having hours and hours of access to the worst parts of the internet, things were not pretty in 2021. That combined with the decrease in teacher prep program and the vitriol lobbed against teachers (by some parents) have all led to where we are today in 2024.

A lot of older teachers also couldn’t handle all of the tech that came at them fast or had health concerns and didn’t want to come back into schools so it was a lot of retirement at the same time. Edtech also exploded during that time so there was a ton of jobs open for teachers. If you wanted to leave education it was the perfect time for it.