In your opinion, how should the elite colleges decide conduct admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:By height

By income

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I was able to find an associated article about Maryland banning legacy admissions (which I agree with) BUT I think that the legacy admission has taken another form. Have you heard that Montgomery County pays for hundreds (800 plus) high school students to attend Montgomery (Community) College full time in the eleventh and twelfth grades and major in Computer Science? That means that UMCP Computer Science program will be filled with students that are from certain counties (as Prince Georges' county has this program too). I am wondering in more rural counties if students would need to be wealthier (have their own car and gas money to do the same thing -- as well as those counties pick up the tuition tab) -- otherwise, the more affluent students from Anne Arundel, Howard, Montgomery and Prince George's counties are the high school student most likely to get in to Maryland's flagship campus (UMCP) and have access to the best professors and research opportunities. So families wanting their student to be more competitive in Maryland should buy or rent in certain areas to have access to the right academic programs in elementary and middle schools? So that when a high school student applies for these programs in the fall of tenth grade, they would be likely to be selected to admission to this high school program (which essentially blocks admission to the limited entrollment programs at Maryland?

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I think that one form of discrimination is replaced with another way to block students. Students do not get to choose how rich or supportive their parents will be. Because programs are limited enrollment and you only get to apply once, your destiny is still greatly impacted by the wealth and supportiveness of your parents at a very young age of the student. What student has figured this out by themselves? None of them. It will be their parents. The new system is still unfair.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that one form of discrimination is replaced with another way to block students. Students do not get to choose how rich or supportive their parents will be. Because programs are limited enrollment and you only get to apply once, your destiny is still greatly impacted by the wealth and supportiveness of your parents at a very young age of the student. What student has figured this out by themselves? None of them. It will be their parents. The new system is still unfair.

Most middle class people don't complain about how rich kids are privileged, so that they go to fancy private schools and get expensive tutors. People understand that's the way the society and life is.

However, they can't stand lack of clear rules, non-transparency, backdoor, etc.
Fair competition upon clear rules and transparency is what they are demanding.

It's a government's job if there's really a segment of disadvantageous students.
Colleges need to have clear rules and transparency.

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Pell Grants lack any power as they pay for so little --- it has only an impact in colleges that are open enrollment (like Maryland's community colleges and open enrollment schools were almost all applicants are taken) -- so very little power there.

No research funding does not make any sense -- as the college professors that go get research dollars for universities make money for colleges not lose it. I heard that UMCP lost a non-trivial amount of their Computer Science professors to Johns Hopkins as Hopkins (which is private and can not dip into tax payers' money - offered a compensation package that Computer Science professor would get their salary and split the research dollars that they got. (So a three million dollar get would pay for the expenses first - salaries/benefits of professor and staff/gradute students. rent, equipment, etc. and the profit was then split between Hopkins and the professors and with a three million get, there are lots of expenses, but both Hopkins and each former UMCP Computer Science professor got hundreds of thousands of dollars--- Win for Hopkins - Win for the professors - Loss of UMCP in lost research grants --- so there is no power there.

No accreditation - this does not make sense as accreditation of universities is not by the state or the Federal Government BUT by a private, regional accreditation council -- so there is no power there.

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Anonymous wrote:Pell Grants lack any power as they pay for so little --- it has only an impact in colleges that are open enrollment (like Maryland's community colleges and open enrollment schools were almost all applicants are taken) -- so very little power there.

No research funding does not make any sense -- as the college professors that go get research dollars for universities make money for colleges not lose it. I heard that UMCP lost a non-trivial amount of their Computer Science professors to Johns Hopkins as Hopkins (which is private and can not dip into tax payers' money - offered a compensation package that Computer Science professor would get their salary and split the research dollars that they got. (So a three million dollar get would pay for the expenses first - salaries/benefits of professor and staff/gradute students. rent, equipment, etc. and the profit was then split between Hopkins and the professors and with a three million get, there are lots of expenses, but both Hopkins and each former UMCP Computer Science professor got hundreds of thousands of dollars--- Win for Hopkins - Win for the professors - Loss of UMCP in lost research grants --- so there is no power there.

No accreditation - this does not make sense as accreditation of universities is not by the state or the Federal Government BUT by a private, regional accreditation council -- so there is no power there.

We'll have laws.
Again they are still free to do whatever they want. Colleges will do whatever is best for them.
They can still get research funding from private sectors, but not from government related.
We'll see.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that one form of discrimination is replaced with another way to block students. Students do not get to choose how rich or supportive their parents will be. Because programs are limited enrollment and you only get to apply once, your destiny is still greatly impacted by the wealth and supportiveness of your parents at a very young age of the student. What student has figured this out by themselves? None of them. It will be their parents. The new system is still unfair.

Waah waah waah. Tough titty said the kitty. This is just one reason on the very long list of why it’s much nicer to have money than to not have money. If middle class high school kid does not already know that life is not fair, oh well, time to figure it out.

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Anonymous wrote:Pell Grants lack any power as they pay for so little --- it has only an impact in colleges that are open enrollment (like Maryland's community colleges and open enrollment schools were almost all applicants are taken) -- so very little power there.

No research funding does not make any sense -- as the college professors that go get research dollars for universities make money for colleges not lose it. I heard that UMCP lost a non-trivial amount of their Computer Science professors to Johns Hopkins as Hopkins (which is private and can not dip into tax payers' money - offered a compensation package that Computer Science professor would get their salary and split the research dollars that they got. (So a three million dollar get would pay for the expenses first - salaries/benefits of professor and staff/gradute students. rent, equipment, etc. and the profit was then split between Hopkins and the professors and with a three million get, there are lots of expenses, but both Hopkins and each former UMCP Computer Science professor got hundreds of thousands of dollars--- Win for Hopkins - Win for the professors - Loss of UMCP in lost research grants --- so there is no power there.

No accreditation - this does not make sense as accreditation of universities is not by the state or the Federal Government BUT by a private, regional accreditation council -- so there is no power there.

Professors at non-compliant schools will have limited sources for research findings as they are shut out from government related funding. Government related funding is huge.
Good professors will move to compliant schools.
Common sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Pell Grants lack any power as they pay for so little --- it has only an impact in colleges that are open enrollment (like Maryland's community colleges and open enrollment schools were almost all applicants are taken) -- so very little power there.

No research funding does not make any sense -- as the college professors that go get research dollars for universities make money for colleges not lose it. I heard that UMCP lost a non-trivial amount of their Computer Science professors to Johns Hopkins as Hopkins (which is private and can not dip into tax payers' money - offered a compensation package that Computer Science professor would get their salary and split the research dollars that they got. (So a three million dollar get would pay for the expenses first - salaries/benefits of professor and staff/gradute students. rent, equipment, etc. and the profit was then split between Hopkins and the professors and with a three million get, there are lots of expenses, but both Hopkins and each former UMCP Computer Science professor got hundreds of thousands of dollars--- Win for Hopkins - Win for the professors - Loss of UMCP in lost research grants --- so there is no power there.

No accreditation - this does not make sense as accreditation of universities is not by the state or the Federal Government BUT by a private, regional accreditation council -- so there is no power there.

They can make a law for accreditation itself. That's why they are called law makers.
You need all sorts of approvals even for opening and maintaining a small restaurant, but you think colleges can just get away just because they are private??

The bill is actually called 'MERIT Act' = 'Merit-Based Educational Reforms and Institutional Transparency Act'
I like it.

https://www.kaine.senate.gov/press-releases/young-kaine-introduce-bill-to-end-legacy-admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Pell Grants lack any power as they pay for so little --- it has only an impact in colleges that are open enrollment (like Maryland's community colleges and open enrollment schools were almost all applicants are taken) -- so very little power there.

No research funding does not make any sense -- as the college professors that go get research dollars for universities make money for colleges not lose it. I heard that UMCP lost a non-trivial amount of their Computer Science professors to Johns Hopkins as Hopkins (which is private and can not dip into tax payers' money - offered a compensation package that Computer Science professor would get their salary and split the research dollars that they got. (So a three million dollar get would pay for the expenses first - salaries/benefits of professor and staff/gradute students. rent, equipment, etc. and the profit was then split between Hopkins and the professors and with a three million get, there are lots of expenses, but both Hopkins and each former UMCP Computer Science professor got hundreds of thousands of dollars--- Win for Hopkins - Win for the professors - Loss of UMCP in lost research grants --- so there is no power there.

No accreditation - this does not make sense as accreditation of universities is not by the state or the Federal Government BUT by a private, regional accreditation council -- so there is no power there.

They can make a law for accreditation itself. That's why they are called law makers.
You need all sorts of approvals even for opening and maintaining a small restaurant, but you think colleges can just get away just because they are private??

The bill is actually called 'MERIT Act' = 'Merit-Based Educational Reforms and Institutional Transparency Act'
I like it.

https://www.kaine.senate.gov/press-releases/young-kaine-introduce-bill-to-end-legacy-admissions

I have three kids now in colleges, and saw all sort of bullshit in US college admissions.
My family is voting for Tim Kaine just for this, so that my grand kids can enjoy much more fair opportunities.

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ALDC cheerleaders are all in shock with all these laws and regulations from State and Federal governments.


Where the F they got the idea that those schools can do whatever they want just because they are private?

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https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/bipartisan-congress-aims-to-defund-colleges-over-legacy-admissions/

It's an article from January for Federal level bill.
So far, it looks like no access to any type of federal funding - grant, research, Pell grant, anything related to Federal funding. States are also enacting legislation to prohibit legacy/donor admissions
at state level.

Also, no accreditation. This probably have many implications like being accredited as non-profit educational institutions. That can be stripped out, then probably taxing implications.

I can't believe this common sense took this long.
Which schools won't comply and go its own way?

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By the degree a student is disadvantaged. The students to be admitted by elite colleges should be those with the least amount of intelligence, from historically oppressed minorities, be able to immediately help the society achieve equality (transgender helps gender equality, with the least amount of family wealth, whose parents do drugs, in prison, etc. These are the least unfortunate students, so our society should do the most to help them.

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Anonymous wrote:By the degree a student is disadvantaged. The students to be admitted by elite colleges should be those with the least amount of intelligence, from historically oppressed minorities, be able to immediately help the society achieve equality (transgender helps gender equality, with the least amount of family wealth, whose parents do drugs, in prison, etc. These are the least unfortunate students, so our society should do the most to help them.

Just a word salad to make a ridiculous point when most elite colleges are wealthy students and historically white men.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't hard.

Grades, weighting for course difficulty, SAT scores and set a certain threshold..then randomly pick from the pool.

Fairest way possible. No watering down crap. Complete Identity agnostic.

Have you seen what FCPS is doing starting next year? Equity grading which allows test retakes so you can score up to a 100% on retakes? So kids with even a 92% on a test can retake to get a 100%. The number kids of 4.0uw GPAs will be even higher. Grades are so inflated these days they mean nothing at many, many schools.