Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:Why do protests happen so often at college campuses and so infrequently elsewhere? Maybe the college kids have too much time on their hands.

The one at Columbia had a lot of outside help. The first tents erected were uniform in style and color. Purchased at once as a lot. Their leader who has posted that all Zionists should be executed is a black gay boy whose pronouns are “they/them.” He should get the opportunity to live under Hamas.

I think it's telling that this is who the students at Columbia chose to be their spokesperson and leader - a non-binary POC who has raved for months about his desire to see all "Zionists" die and thinks we should "Be grateful I'm not murdering Zionists."

All those clips of students celebrating Hamas and wishing 10/7s on Jews every day are not outliers. This is who they are. It is well beyond protesting the Netanyahu government in Israel. It is straight up hatred for other Americans simply because of their religion. This is not free speech. This is hate speech. And these students need to be expelled.

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Expelled, and in many cases, deported if on student visas.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do protests happen so often at college campuses and so infrequently elsewhere? Maybe the college kids have too much time on their hands.

Willing to bet that most of the protesters are either very wealthy (spoiled brats who know mom and dad will catch them if they fall) or very poor (full ride). The student who was just banned from the Columbia campus for repeatedly talking about killing Zionists is from Dorchester in Boston (per capita income in the mid 20k).

Or instead of protesting, those "spoiled brats" as you call them could take others' money and screw up because they know momdad will bail them out, someone like a sambankmanfried.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone’s point of view depends on which news source you listen to. Cable media will have you believe the students are out of control antisemites while social media tells us these protesters are peaceful. So I asked my niece who attends one of these universities. She is not protesting and has no skin in the game. She told me that the protesters are by far peaceful students. She walked all over campus and did not hear one word of harassment to any Jews. In fact many Jews are protesting themselves. She did not stay around when police came and heard from friends that they were unfairly targeting students. So there you have it. I am going to believe my niece over anything I hear on TV. I urge you all to talk to people firsthand before believing anything you hear on TV or social media.

So this is just a big nothingburger?

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I was in Ann Arbor, driving through campus and didnt hear any sort of disturbance. the farmers market was on as per usual. I'm sure there are kids who are protesting but the frenzy and shouting and nuttiness is just spin. And I am pretty anti-israeli/netanyahu, I think this right wing government is making jewish people all over the world unsafe and dont believe in religious states of any kind so I am on the protestors side but there arent as many or as large a crowd as its being made out to be.

Dearborn hun not in Ann Arbor

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Anonymous wrote:Wow the right wing outrage machine is set on high. Nothing gets them going more than a bunch of uppity brown kids at elite schools saying things they don’t like.

Saying things? It is far worse than that.

Bibi says it and the loyalists to push and repeat it.

Netanyahu likens US campus encampments by ‘antisemitic mobs’ to 1930s Nazi Germany
“Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities. They call for the annihilation of Israel, they attack Jewish students, they attack Jewish faculty,” Netanyahu charged in his statement, which likened the scenes to those that preceded the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in the 1930s. It’s unconscionable. It has to be stopped. It has to be condemned unequivocally,” the Israeli premier said.

“But that’s not what happened,” he added. “When you listen to them, they say not only ‘Death to Israel’ and ‘Death to the Jews,’ but also ‘Death to America.'”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-likens-us-campus-encampments-by-antisemitic-mobs-to-1930s-nazi-germany/

If only Netanyahu had some credibility. Another day another few lies- hospital bombing in the first week of the war, UNRWA filled with terrorists approved by Israel’s “intelligence” agencies, Hamas rapes, babies in ovens, wanting to free the hostages, etc, etc

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

I mean, this video shows an apparently Jewish student seeking to instigate conflict with protesters. He’s apparently seeking to interfere with their protest, not to merely “move freely around his campus”. In fact, it’s clearly a publicity stunt and he doubles down by mocking them as he threatens the protesters and their future job prospects.

They are not interfering with his access to education - he’s interfering with their right to free assembly and free speech. He’s not campus police. How does this video cast him as a victim?

The a-hole in that video is clearly the Jewish student and there’s not even a close race for first place.

As for Netantahu’s comments, none of the protesters in the video are saying anything of the sort re: Jewish students, Israel or America.

I’m sure there are protests that are going further, but this UCLA video is an example that doesn’t help the Islamophobic / pro-Israel cause AT ALL.

Their illegal encampment is on grounds where all students - regardless of their race or ethnicity - should be able to access.
The protesters are interfering with HIS right to free assembly and free speech.
This student is simply demonstrating the illegality of this encampment. And, the administration is "negotiating" with these toddlers.
Disgraceful.

Is that how it works in your mind? A group of individuals has assembled and is exercising its right to assembly and speech, and a counter-protester has the right to essentially dis-assemble and disrupt their efforts to exerciser those rights by physically forcing his way into the middle of the protest and imposing his own speech onto or over theirs?

Yeah, that's not how it works.

If he wants to go to class that is being held, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to his dorm or the campus gym, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to eat on campus or off campus, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go anywhere OTHER THAN INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN ASSEMBLED GROUP THAT IS EXERCISING ITS RIGHTS FOR THE WILDLY APPARENT PURPOSE OF INTERFERING WITH THEIR ASSEMBLY AND SPEECH RIGHTS, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.

He's the a-hole. It's not even close.

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Um, isn't that EXACTLY what's happened with every conservative speaker on campus for the last decade?

Remember the Stanford students shouting down the 5th Circuit judge?

The Cal students who broke into a building to prevent a pro-Israel speech?

Etc., etc., etc., etc.

The protesters are getting a taste of their own medicine.

Their sudden commitment to free speech is commendable, but also ridiculously hypocritical.

Yeah, I'm not defending or arguing in favor of other situations.

I will say this: the purpose of the protests should be focused on humanitarian matters in Gaza, and not stray into threats against Israelis or Jews more broadly, etc. If they clearly veer into actionable threats, that's a problem. But if they stay on that anti-war, humanitarian path, I think it's pretty clear that they differ from the examples you posted above.

Conservative speech promoting conservatives values that are not (or should not be) controversial, like fiscal policy? Sure, shouldn't really be any room for counter-protesting. But when you veer into social issues like abortion and matters of essential equality, that is VERY different than protesting on the basis of a humanitarian crisis.

To be more clear ...

You want to cosplay Grover Norquist and speak on campus about tax policy? Have at it.

You want to speak on campus about opposition to the 10/7 attacks OR opposition to the ongoing siege of Gaza and the humanitarian crisis there? Have at it.

But if you want to speak and promote pro-apartheid government policies (and unfortunately, any pro-Israeli speaker bears that stain in Israel's current form) or criminalizing abortion or restoring slavery or whatever else you have in mind that threatens the sensibilities of reasonable people, you shouldn't expect a warm welcome and you should expect counter-protesters.

Wow. So, only topics that are suitable to you are ok.
At all controversial? Counter protests and hateful rhetoric and threats of violence (yep - it happens) is ok.

Applying a reasonable person standard is pretty essential to our system. Where do you see that I've flagged anything that WOULDN'T offend the reasonable person standard? I've said nothing about what's "OK", but rather about what should / should not be subject to counter-protests.

If you want to argue that humanitarian concerns (which is what I limited the scope to) should be counter-protested, that's bizarrely misanthropic. To me, that should be off limits in terms of counter-protesting. If people are sticking to the script and protesting the humanitarian crisis and you want to counter-protest in FAVOR of the humanitarian crisis, you not only are wrong, but you should probably have your ass kicked from one end of campus to the other. Those in FAVOR of a humanitarian crisis are no better than the student who make the deplorable "lucky I'm not killing" comment. Check that. They are worse than him because they are converting their insidious thoughts to action whereas he's just blathering on social media.

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Geez..... these students are entitled little twits.

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Why did we let in so many people who hate the US and want to tear it down?

“There’s only one solution, intifada revolution. We must have a revolution so we can have a socialist reconstruction of the United States of America.”

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Anonymous wrote:Geez..... these students are entitled little twits.

Ehhhh, WTF? What's solution is she proposing for her whine? This is a clip they wanted to get out?

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Anonymous wrote:_Emory university economics professor Caroline Fohlin was violently assaulted by state police at the university encampment whilst protesting with the students in support of Gaza. She can be heard shouting ‘I’m a professor."_

What exactly does she want to convey by shouting that?

I saw the full video: police officers were arresting someone and she came from behind to try to stop them, insulting them repeatedly and touching one officer. Then she threw an epic over dramatic tantrum and resisted arrest. She thinks that being a professor means she should be given a pass to break the law.

This is a very biased description. First of all, people were being arrested for no apparent reason or rather for reasons like simply questioning why protestors were being arrested. The professor came along and shouted "what are you doing" or something to that effect at the police officer who was very roughly arresting someone else. She seems to have reached out and very lightly touched him. AT which point , the police officer came at her very aggressively and eventually tossed her to the ground . If she tried to stop them, it was with words. There was no epic tantrum or resisting arrest.

Eww get their hands off that woman

White people in this country are learning that the police are thugs whose sole job is to protect the interests of a small power class. They will let your babies be slauterghtered, your nerdy college kid get a concussion and body slam a slight, middle aged woman.

At UCON they body slammed and dislocated the shoulder of a student with visible disability.

Being a professor at an Ivy League university is a power class. Being a student at these schools is also part of the power class.

These people aren't used to having their ideology challenged and being told no.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do protests happen so often at college campuses and so infrequently elsewhere? Maybe the college kids have too much time on their hands.

The one at Columbia had a lot of outside help. The first tents erected were uniform in style and color. Purchased at once as a lot. Their leader who has posted that all Zionists should be executed is a black gay boy whose pronouns are “they/them.” He should get the opportunity to live under Hamas.

I bet there are a bunch of us that would be willing by buy they/them a plane ticket to Gaza to live out them/they's fantasy of ki11ing Zionist. Hell, I will start a GFM page on they/them's behalf.

I would require they/them to livestream their pilgrimage as part of getting those funds since they/them are so fond of livestreaming them/they're life.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow the right wing outrage machine is set on high. Nothing gets them going more than a bunch of uppity brown kids at elite schools saying things they don’t like.

Saying things? It is far worse than that.

Bibi says it and the loyalists to push and repeat it.

Netanyahu likens US campus encampments by ‘antisemitic mobs’ to 1930s Nazi Germany
“Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities. They call for the annihilation of Israel, they attack Jewish students, they attack Jewish faculty,” Netanyahu charged in his statement, which likened the scenes to those that preceded the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in the 1930s. It’s unconscionable. It has to be stopped. It has to be condemned unequivocally,” the Israeli premier said.

“But that’s not what happened,” he added. “When you listen to them, they say not only ‘Death to Israel’ and ‘Death to the Jews,’ but also ‘Death to America.'”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-likens-us-campus-encampments-by-antisemitic-mobs-to-1930s-nazi-germany/

If only Netanyahu had some credibility. Another day another few lies- hospital bombing in the first week of the war, UNRWA filled with terrorists approved by Israel’s “intelligence” agencies, Hamas rapes, babies in ovens, wanting to free the hostages, etc, etc

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

I mean, this video shows an apparently Jewish student seeking to instigate conflict with protesters. He’s apparently seeking to interfere with their protest, not to merely “move freely around his campus”. In fact, it’s clearly a publicity stunt and he doubles down by mocking them as he threatens the protesters and their future job prospects.

They are not interfering with his access to education - he’s interfering with their right to free assembly and free speech. He’s not campus police. How does this video cast him as a victim?

The a-hole in that video is clearly the Jewish student and there’s not even a close race for first place.

As for Netantahu’s comments, none of the protesters in the video are saying anything of the sort re: Jewish students, Israel or America.

I’m sure there are protests that are going further, but this UCLA video is an example that doesn’t help the Islamophobic / pro-Israel cause AT ALL.

Their illegal encampment is on grounds where all students - regardless of their race or ethnicity - should be able to access.
The protesters are interfering with HIS right to free assembly and free speech.
This student is simply demonstrating the illegality of this encampment. And, the administration is "negotiating" with these toddlers.
Disgraceful.

Is that how it works in your mind? A group of individuals has assembled and is exercising its right to assembly and speech, and a counter-protester has the right to essentially dis-assemble and disrupt their efforts to exerciser those rights by physically forcing his way into the middle of the protest and imposing his own speech onto or over theirs?

Yeah, that's not how it works.

If he wants to go to class that is being held, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to his dorm or the campus gym, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to eat on campus or off campus, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go anywhere OTHER THAN INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN ASSEMBLED GROUP THAT IS EXERCISING ITS RIGHTS FOR THE WILDLY APPARENT PURPOSE OF INTERFERING WITH THEIR ASSEMBLY AND SPEECH RIGHTS, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.

He's the a-hole. It's not even close.

So you believe that anyone that counterprotests has it coming if bad things happen. If that is indeed the case then Heather Heyer the counter protester that was killed in Charlottesville had it coming.

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Anonymous wrote:The thread in the college forum was closed but I don't see anything about the Emory protest here. People keep belittling the college students and professors. WHY? Good for the students for protesting! It's the cops who are completely over the top here.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2024/04/26/pro-palestinian-protests-college-campus-usc-emory-columbia-watt-ebof-vpx.cnn

Cops have nothing to do with this -- they are called in by college because people trespassing -- at UT 55% of people arrested were not students. I think a college could choose to have the protest by its students but not anyone from the outside. Anyone from outside should be arrested after a trespass warning.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow the right wing outrage machine is set on high. Nothing gets them going more than a bunch of uppity brown kids at elite schools saying things they don’t like.

Saying things? It is far worse than that.

Bibi says it and the loyalists to push and repeat it.

Netanyahu likens US campus encampments by ‘antisemitic mobs’ to 1930s Nazi Germany
“Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities. They call for the annihilation of Israel, they attack Jewish students, they attack Jewish faculty,” Netanyahu charged in his statement, which likened the scenes to those that preceded the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in the 1930s. It’s unconscionable. It has to be stopped. It has to be condemned unequivocally,” the Israeli premier said.

“But that’s not what happened,” he added. “When you listen to them, they say not only ‘Death to Israel’ and ‘Death to the Jews,’ but also ‘Death to America.'”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-likens-us-campus-encampments-by-antisemitic-mobs-to-1930s-nazi-germany/

If only Netanyahu had some credibility. Another day another few lies- hospital bombing in the first week of the war, UNRWA filled with terrorists approved by Israel’s “intelligence” agencies, Hamas rapes, babies in ovens, wanting to free the hostages, etc, etc

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

I mean, this video shows an apparently Jewish student seeking to instigate conflict with protesters. He’s apparently seeking to interfere with their protest, not to merely “move freely around his campus”. In fact, it’s clearly a publicity stunt and he doubles down by mocking them as he threatens the protesters and their future job prospects.

They are not interfering with his access to education - he’s interfering with their right to free assembly and free speech. He’s not campus police. How does this video cast him as a victim?

The a-hole in that video is clearly the Jewish student and there’s not even a close race for first place.

As for Netantahu’s comments, none of the protesters in the video are saying anything of the sort re: Jewish students, Israel or America.

I’m sure there are protests that are going further, but this UCLA video is an example that doesn’t help the Islamophobic / pro-Israel cause AT ALL.

Their illegal encampment is on grounds where all students - regardless of their race or ethnicity - should be able to access.
The protesters are interfering with HIS right to free assembly and free speech.
This student is simply demonstrating the illegality of this encampment. And, the administration is "negotiating" with these toddlers.
Disgraceful.

Is that how it works in your mind? A group of individuals has assembled and is exercising its right to assembly and speech, and a counter-protester has the right to essentially dis-assemble and disrupt their efforts to exerciser those rights by physically forcing his way into the middle of the protest and imposing his own speech onto or over theirs?

Yeah, that's not how it works.

If he wants to go to class that is being held, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to his dorm or the campus gym, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to eat on campus or off campus, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go anywhere OTHER THAN INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN ASSEMBLED GROUP THAT IS EXERCISING ITS RIGHTS FOR THE WILDLY APPARENT PURPOSE OF INTERFERING WITH THEIR ASSEMBLY AND SPEECH RIGHTS, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.

He's the a-hole. It's not even close.

So you believe that anyone that counterprotests has it coming if bad things happen. If that is indeed the case then Heather Heyer the counter protester that was killed in Charlottesville had it coming.

At state schools there are some first amendment concerns -- not really but at least we can discuss it -- At the private schools -- no they should eliminate the encampments, arrest all who are there and suspend or expel all of the students. Plenty to take there place.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't alive during Vietnam so have no direct memory of it, but I have a hard time likening the current situation to one that involved drafting young American men against their will and sending them to face the horrors of war overseas.

What? The comparison was to the protests on college campuses, not the conflicts that caused them. The protests are very similar, although these aren't nearly as large right now as the Vietnam war protests were. American opinion in those days was eventually split 50-50 on the war.

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Wow this thread is a total MAGA circlejerk

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Anonymous wrote:Wow the right wing outrage machine is set on high. Nothing gets them going more than a bunch of uppity brown kids at elite schools saying things they don’t like.

Saying things? It is far worse than that.

Bibi says it and the loyalists to push and repeat it.

Netanyahu likens US campus encampments by ‘antisemitic mobs’ to 1930s Nazi Germany
“Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities. They call for the annihilation of Israel, they attack Jewish students, they attack Jewish faculty,” Netanyahu charged in his statement, which likened the scenes to those that preceded the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.
This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in the 1930s. It’s unconscionable. It has to be stopped. It has to be condemned unequivocally,” the Israeli premier said.

“But that’s not what happened,” he added. “When you listen to them, they say not only ‘Death to Israel’ and ‘Death to the Jews,’ but also ‘Death to America.'”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-likens-us-campus-encampments-by-antisemitic-mobs-to-1930s-nazi-germany/

If only Netanyahu had some credibility. Another day another few lies- hospital bombing in the first week of the war, UNRWA filled with terrorists approved by Israel’s “intelligence” agencies, Hamas rapes, babies in ovens, wanting to free the hostages, etc, etc

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

I mean, this video shows an apparently Jewish student seeking to instigate conflict with protesters. He’s apparently seeking to interfere with their protest, not to merely “move freely around his campus”. In fact, it’s clearly a publicity stunt and he doubles down by mocking them as he threatens the protesters and their future job prospects.

They are not interfering with his access to education - he’s interfering with their right to free assembly and free speech. He’s not campus police. How does this video cast him as a victim?

The a-hole in that video is clearly the Jewish student and there’s not even a close race for first place.

As for Netantahu’s comments, none of the protesters in the video are saying anything of the sort re: Jewish students, Israel or America.

I’m sure there are protests that are going further, but this UCLA video is an example that doesn’t help the Islamophobic / pro-Israel cause AT ALL.

Their illegal encampment is on grounds where all students - regardless of their race or ethnicity - should be able to access.
The protesters are interfering with HIS right to free assembly and free speech.
This student is simply demonstrating the illegality of this encampment. And, the administration is "negotiating" with these toddlers.
Disgraceful.

Is that how it works in your mind? A group of individuals has assembled and is exercising its right to assembly and speech, and a counter-protester has the right to essentially dis-assemble and disrupt their efforts to exerciser those rights by physically forcing his way into the middle of the protest and imposing his own speech onto or over theirs?

Yeah, that's not how it works.

If he wants to go to class that is being held, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to his dorm or the campus gym, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go to eat on campus or off campus, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.
If he wants to go anywhere OTHER THAN INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN ASSEMBLED GROUP THAT IS EXERCISING ITS RIGHTS FOR THE WILDLY APPARENT PURPOSE OF INTERFERING WITH THEIR ASSEMBLY AND SPEECH RIGHTS, nobody is interfering with his ability to do so.

He's the a-hole. It's not even close.

So you believe that anyone that counterprotests has it coming if bad things happen. If that is indeed the case then Heather Heyer the counter protester that was killed in Charlottesville had it coming.

She was protesting racism. This a-hole was trying to get 15 minutes of fame by “owning” people protesting racism.

Do you see the common thread, racism?