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Anonymous wrote:This thread is terrible PR. I am surprise none of there over paid directors has not stopped here and posted some desperate spin.

Why would they? Most people don't know this place exists, and of those that do, I doubt many put much investment into what is said on this board.

Yet at least two posts are clearly defensive Valor employees.

Is there another online forum where people discuss local soccer? I am not aware of one.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is terrible PR. I am surprise none of there over paid directors has not stopped here and posted some desperate spin.

Why would they? Most people don't know this place exists, and of those that do, I doubt many put much investment into what is said on this board.

Yet at least two posts are clearly defensive Valor employees.

Is there another online forum where people discuss local soccer? I am not aware of one.

There might not be. Although I find it hilarious that people like to parrot "Oh look it must be X posting." I have no affiliation with any of the clubs related to this. Just find it hilarious that people think anything on here matters. Take a breath man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is terrible PR. I am surprise none of there over paid directors has not stopped here and posted some desperate spin.

Why would they? Most people don't know this place exists, and of those that do, I doubt many put much investment into what is said on this board.

Yet at least two posts are clearly defensive Valor employees.

Is there another online forum where people discuss local soccer? I am not aware of one.

There might not be. Although I find it hilarious that people like to parrot "Oh look it must be X posting." I have no affiliation with any of the clubs related to this. Just find it hilarious that people think anything on here matters. Take a breath man.

I find this sort of post so interesting. Nothing matters yet...here you are, on page 16.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is terrible PR. I am surprise none of there over paid directors has not stopped here and posted some desperate spin.

Paul Ellis does not care about anything but money coming into his club. I know for a fact parents has voiced many concerns and nothing ever changes. He doesn't care about parents or players. He is willing to lose the parents and players that have a heart for the game and know what this club is doing isn't anything to get their kid to play their best.

He doesn't care about you and other parents because you are probably annoying and an idiot. He does care about the player and the game. Do you even know the talent he's seen? Your child probably couldn't even hold a water bottle in comparison to the talent he's had in the past. That's probably why you're on here complaining. Shut up. https://www.vadcsoccerhof.org/hall-of-fame-inductees/hall-of-fame-bios/paul-ellis#:~:text=Paul%20Ellis%20is%20currently%20the,levels%20of%20the%20youth%20game.

Nonsense. He came up with a whole plan to create a separate organization to keep travel profits separate from the original rec leagues they were associated with, designated himself in charge, and pays himself a large salary. (They don't even get their own permits, they use CYA fields which means fewer fields for the CYA rec teams.) He cares about cash money ducats and nothing else. If he truly cared about the game and the player, he would let exceptional poor kids play for free (Valor has very stingy financial aid). They would send weak players back to the rec leagues instead of taking their money and be honest with parents.

THIS. U9 boys team has a gold, white, black, silver and blue. We have watched some of these games in passing and they are painful. And it isnt the kids fault. these are rec league players paying travel dues just because. If he was in it for the players these teams wouldnt exist.

So I have a question about this. Do other large clubs like Arlington, Loudoun Alexandria that have this many teams per age group take everyone or do they turn some kids away at tryouts? My sense is that the little kid teams at those clubs are stronger than those at Valor. Do those other clubs have a better talent pool? Or a stronger pre travel program? It seems even at U9 there is a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is terrible PR. I am surprise none of there over paid directors has not stopped here and posted some desperate spin.

Paul Ellis does not care about anything but money coming into his club. I know for a fact parents has voiced many concerns and nothing ever changes. He doesn't care about parents or players. He is willing to lose the parents and players that have a heart for the game and know what this club is doing isn't anything to get their kid to play their best.

He thinks he's above parents and refuses to make corrections. No consistent approach to coaching across age groups. Doesn't hold coaches accountable for consistent poor outcomes. Gladly accepts 3k per kid for a season. Go to VSA or Arlington if you want some development at younger age groups.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is terrible PR. I am surprise none of there over paid directors has not stopped here and posted some desperate spin.

Paul Ellis does not care about anything but money coming into his club. I know for a fact parents has voiced many concerns and nothing ever changes. He doesn't care about parents or players. He is willing to lose the parents and players that have a heart for the game and know what this club is doing isn't anything to get their kid to play their best.

He doesn't care about you and other parents because you are probably annoying and an idiot. He does care about the player and the game. Do you even know the talent he's seen? Your child probably couldn't even hold a water bottle in comparison to the talent he's had in the past. That's probably why you're on here complaining. Shut up. https://www.vadcsoccerhof.org/hall-of-fame-inductees/hall-of-fame-bios/paul-ellis#:~:text=Paul%20Ellis%20is%20currently%20the,levels%20of%20the%20youth%20game.

Nonsense. He came up with a whole plan to create a separate organization to keep travel profits separate from the original rec leagues they were associated with, designated himself in charge, and pays himself a large salary. (They don't even get their own permits, they use CYA fields which means fewer fields for the CYA rec teams.) He cares about cash money ducats and nothing else. If he truly cared about the game and the player, he would let exceptional poor kids play for free (Valor has very stingy financial aid). They would send weak players back to the rec leagues instead of taking their money and be honest with parents.

THIS. U9 boys team has a gold, white, black, silver and blue. We have watched some of these games in passing and they are painful. And it isnt the kids fault. these are rec league players paying travel dues just because. If he was in it for the players these teams wouldnt exist.

So I have a question about this. Do other large clubs like Arlington, Loudoun Alexandria that have this many teams per age group take everyone or do they turn some kids away at tryouts? My sense is that the little kid teams at those clubs are stronger than those at Valor. Do those other clubs have a better talent pool? Or a stronger pre travel program? It seems even at U9 there is a difference.

Yes they do. US soccer is pay to play. If they can find a coach and field enough players. However, You do see development across several teams in a age group at other clubs. Most valor gold teams wouldn't make 2nd or 3rd team at other clubs. There just isn't any development. Only 2 coaches are exceptional there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is terrible PR. I am surprise none of there over paid directors has not stopped here and posted some desperate spin.

Paul Ellis does not care about anything but money coming into his club. I know for a fact parents has voiced many concerns and nothing ever changes. He doesn't care about parents or players. He is willing to lose the parents and players that have a heart for the game and know what this club is doing isn't anything to get their kid to play their best.

He doesn't care about you and other parents because you are probably annoying and an idiot. He does care about the player and the game. Do you even know the talent he's seen? Your child probably couldn't even hold a water bottle in comparison to the talent he's had in the past. That's probably why you're on here complaining. Shut up. https://www.vadcsoccerhof.org/hall-of-fame-inductees/hall-of-fame-bios/paul-ellis#:~:text=Paul%20Ellis%20is%20currently%20the,levels%20of%20the%20youth%20game.

Nonsense. He came up with a whole plan to create a separate organization to keep travel profits separate from the original rec leagues they were associated with, designated himself in charge, and pays himself a large salary. (They don't even get their own permits, they use CYA fields which means fewer fields for the CYA rec teams.) He cares about cash money ducats and nothing else. If he truly cared about the game and the player, he would let exceptional poor kids play for free (Valor has very stingy financial aid). They would send weak players back to the rec leagues instead of taking their money and be honest with parents.

THIS. U9 boys team has a gold, white, black, silver and blue. We have watched some of these games in passing and they are painful. And it isnt the kids fault. these are rec league players paying travel dues just because. If he was in it for the players these teams wouldnt exist.

So I have a question about this. Do other large clubs like Arlington, Loudoun Alexandria that have this many teams per age group take everyone or do they turn some kids away at tryouts? My sense is that the little kid teams at those clubs are stronger than those at Valor. Do those other clubs have a better talent pool? Or a stronger pre travel program? It seems even at U9 there is a difference.

It's all a money grab past second team, MAYBE third teams at the right place. But yes the other clubs fields more talent so their teams are better at the lower tiers. 5th teams from Loudoun were in the same division as some valor white teams. That's 5th teams playing second teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is terrible PR. I am surprise none of there over paid directors has not stopped here and posted some desperate spin.

Paul Ellis does not care about anything but money coming into his club. I know for a fact parents has voiced many concerns and nothing ever changes. He doesn't care about parents or players. He is willing to lose the parents and players that have a heart for the game and know what this club is doing isn't anything to get their kid to play their best.

He doesn't care about you and other parents because you are probably annoying and an idiot. He does care about the player and the game. Do you even know the talent he's seen? Your child probably couldn't even hold a water bottle in comparison to the talent he's had in the past. That's probably why you're on here complaining. Shut up. https://www.vadcsoccerhof.org/hall-of-fame-inductees/hall-of-fame-bios/paul-ellis#:~:text=Paul%20Ellis%20is%20currently%20the,levels%20of%20the%20youth%20game.

Nonsense. He came up with a whole plan to create a separate organization to keep travel profits separate from the original rec leagues they were associated with, designated himself in charge, and pays himself a large salary. (They don't even get their own permits, they use CYA fields which means fewer fields for the CYA rec teams.) He cares about cash money ducats and nothing else. If he truly cared about the game and the player, he would let exceptional poor kids play for free (Valor has very stingy financial aid). They would send weak players back to the rec leagues instead of taking their money and be honest with parents.

THIS. U9 boys team has a gold, white, black, silver and blue. We have watched some of these games in passing and they are painful. And it isnt the kids fault. these are rec league players paying travel dues just because. If he was in it for the players these teams wouldnt exist.

So I have a question about this. Do other large clubs like Arlington, Loudoun Alexandria that have this many teams per age group take everyone or do they turn some kids away at tryouts? My sense is that the little kid teams at those clubs are stronger than those at Valor. Do those other clubs have a better talent pool? Or a stronger pre travel program? It seems even at U9 there is a difference.

Yes they do. US soccer is pay to play. If they can find a coach and field enough players. However, You do see development across several teams in an age group at other clubs. Most valor gold teams wouldn't make 2nd or 3rd team at other clubs. There just isn't any development. Only 2 coaches are exceptional there.

Who are the exceptional 2?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is terrible PR. I am surprise none of there over paid directors has not stopped here and posted some desperate spin.

Paul Ellis does not care about anything but money coming into his club. I know for a fact parents has voiced many concerns and nothing ever changes. He doesn't care about parents or players. He is willing to lose the parents and players that have a heart for the game and know what this club is doing isn't anything to get their kid to play their best.

He doesn't care about you and other parents because you are probably annoying and an idiot. He does care about the player and the game. Do you even know the talent he's seen? Your child probably couldn't even hold a water bottle in comparison to the talent he's had in the past. That's probably why you're on here complaining. Shut up. https://www.vadcsoccerhof.org/hall-of-fame-inductees/hall-of-fame-bios/paul-ellis#:~:text=Paul%20Ellis%20is%20currently%20the,levels%20of%20the%20youth%20game.

Nonsense. He came up with a whole plan to create a separate organization to keep travel profits separate from the original rec leagues they were associated with, designated himself in charge, and pays himself a large salary. (They don't even get their own permits, they use CYA fields which means fewer fields for the CYA rec teams.) He cares about cash money ducats and nothing else. If he truly cared about the game and the player, he would let exceptional poor kids play for free (Valor has very stingy financial aid). They would send weak players back to the rec leagues instead of taking their money and be honest with parents.

THIS. U9 boys team has a gold, white, black, silver and blue. We have watched some of these games in passing and they are painful. And it isnt the kids fault. these are rec league players paying travel dues just because. If he was in it for the players these teams wouldnt exist.

So I have a question about this. Do other large clubs like Arlington, Loudoun Alexandria that have this many teams per age group take everyone or do they turn some kids away at tryouts? My sense is that the little kid teams at those clubs are stronger than those at Valor. Do those other clubs have a better talent pool? Or a stronger pre travel program? It seems even at U9 there is a difference.

Yes they do. US soccer is pay to play. If they can find a coach and field enough players. However, You do see development across several teams in a age group at other clubs. Most valor gold teams wouldn't make 2nd or 3rd team at other clubs. There just isn't any development. Only 2 coaches are exceptional there.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is terrible PR. I am surprise none of there over paid directors has not stopped here and posted some desperate spin.

Paul Ellis does not care about anything but money coming into his club. I know for a fact parents has voiced many concerns and nothing ever changes. He doesn't care about parents or players. He is willing to lose the parents and players that have a heart for the game and know what this club is doing isn't anything to get their kid to play their best.

He doesn't care about you and other parents because you are probably annoying and an idiot. He does care about the player and the game. Do you even know the talent he's seen? Your child probably couldn't even hold a water bottle in comparison to the talent he's had in the past. That's probably why you're on here complaining. Shut up. https://www.vadcsoccerhof.org/hall-of-fame-inductees/hall-of-fame-bios/paul-ellis#:~:text=Paul%20Ellis%20is%20currently%20the,levels%20of%20the%20youth%20game.

Nonsense. He came up with a whole plan to create a separate organization to keep travel profits separate from the original rec leagues they were associated with, designated himself in charge, and pays himself a large salary. (They don't even get their own permits, they use CYA fields which means fewer fields for the CYA rec teams.) He cares about cash money ducats and nothing else. If he truly cared about the game and the player, he would let exceptional poor kids play for free (Valor has very stingy financial aid). They would send weak players back to the rec leagues instead of taking their money and be honest with parents.

THIS. U9 boys team has a gold, white, black, silver and blue. We have watched some of these games in passing and they are painful. And it isnt the kids fault. these are rec league players paying travel dues just because. If he was in it for the players these teams wouldnt exist.

So I have a question about this. Do other large clubs like Arlington, Loudoun Alexandria that have this many teams per age group take everyone or do they turn some kids away at tryouts? My sense is that the little kid teams at those clubs are stronger than those at Valor. Do those other clubs have a better talent pool? Or a stronger pre travel program? It seems even at U9 there is a difference.

Yes they do. US soccer is pay to play. If they can find a coach and field enough players. However, You do see development across several teams in an age group at other clubs. Most valor gold teams wouldn't make 2nd or 3rd team at other clubs. There just isn't any development. Only 2 coaches are exceptional there.

Who are the exceptional 2?

Coach Ben and Coach Dover

[Anonymous]

So I have a question about this. Do other large clubs like Arlington, Loudoun Alexandria that have this many teams per age group take everyone or do they turn some kids away at tryouts? My sense is that the little kid teams at those clubs are stronger than those at Valor. Do those other clubs have a better talent pool? Or a stronger pre travel program? It seems even at U9 there is a difference.

Arlington absolutely turns kids away at tryouts, my kid made it on to the lowest arlington travel by the skin of their teeth —got rejected at first and then a spot opened up, maybe a week later.

In our experience, yes there is definitely a difference. Lots of comments here about how travel below the first two teams is just a money grab. It’s all a money grab to some degree for other reasons, but I have to vehemently disagree. You can see the difference between not only the different travel teams, but the lowest travel teams v ADP v rec.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is terrible PR. I am surprise none of there over paid directors has not stopped here and posted some desperate spin.

Paul Ellis does not care about anything but money coming into his club. I know for a fact parents has voiced many concerns and nothing ever changes. He doesn't care about parents or players. He is willing to lose the parents and players that have a heart for the game and know what this club is doing isn't anything to get their kid to play their best.

He doesn't care about you and other parents because you are probably annoying and an idiot. He does care about the player and the game. Do you even know the talent he's seen? Your child probably couldn't even hold a water bottle in comparison to the talent he's had in the past. That's probably why you're on here complaining. Shut up. https://www.vadcsoccerhof.org/hall-of-fame-inductees/hall-of-fame-bios/paul-ellis#:~:text=Paul%20Ellis%20is%20currently%20the,levels%20of%20the%20youth%20game.

Nonsense. He came up with a whole plan to create a separate organization to keep travel profits separate from the original rec leagues they were associated with, designated himself in charge, and pays himself a large salary. (They don't even get their own permits, they use CYA fields which means fewer fields for the CYA rec teams.) He cares about cash money ducats and nothing else. If he truly cared about the game and the player, he would let exceptional poor kids play for free (Valor has very stingy financial aid). They would send weak players back to the rec leagues instead of taking their money and be honest with parents.

THIS. U9 boys team has a gold, white, black, silver and blue. We have watched some of these games in passing and they are painful. And it isnt the kids fault. these are rec league players paying travel dues just because. If he was in it for the players these teams wouldnt exist.

So I have a question about this. Do other large clubs like Arlington, Loudoun Alexandria that have this many teams per age group take everyone or do they turn some kids away at tryouts? My sense is that the little kid teams at those clubs are stronger than those at Valor. Do those other clubs have a better talent pool? Or a stronger pre travel program? It seems even at U9 there is a difference.

Yes they do. US soccer is pay to play. If they can find a coach and field enough players. However, You do see development across several teams in an age group at other clubs. Most valor gold teams wouldn't make 2nd or 3rd team at other clubs. There just isn't any development. Only 2 coaches are exceptional there.

Who are the exceptional 2?

Coach Ben and Coach Dover

They must have moved on to better clubs because there is not a Ben or a Dover listed on their coaching slate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So I have a question about this. Do other large clubs like Arlington, Loudoun Alexandria that have this many teams per age group take everyone or do they turn some kids away at tryouts? My sense is that the little kid teams at those clubs are stronger than those at Valor. Do those other clubs have a better talent pool? Or a stronger pre travel program? It seems even at U9 there is a difference.

Arlington absolutely turns kids away at tryouts, my kid made it on to the lowest arlington travel by the skin of their teeth —got rejected at first and then a spot opened up, maybe a week later.

In our experience, yes there is definitely a difference. Lots of comments here about how travel below the first two teams is just a money grab. It’s all a money grab to some degree for other reasons, but I have to vehemently disagree. You can see the difference between not only the different travel teams, but the lowest travel teams v ADP v rec.

There is no difference between the lowest travel teams and a rec team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So I have a question about this. Do other large clubs like Arlington, Loudoun Alexandria that have this many teams per age group take everyone or do they turn some kids away at tryouts? My sense is that the little kid teams at those clubs are stronger than those at Valor. Do those other clubs have a better talent pool? Or a stronger pre travel program? It seems even at U9 there is a difference.

Arlington absolutely turns kids away at tryouts, my kid made it on to the lowest arlington travel by the skin of their teeth —got rejected at first and then a spot opened up, maybe a week later.

In our experience, yes there is definitely a difference. Lots of comments here about how travel below the first two teams is just a money grab. It’s all a money grab to some degree for other reasons, but I have to vehemently disagree. You can see the difference between not only the different travel teams, but the lowest travel teams v ADP v rec.

There is no difference between the lowest travel teams and a rec team.

FALSE. The travel team has more expensive uniforms.