Sure, based on your sample of *checks notes* your 8 person family. You do not speak for everyone, as hard as that is for you to believe. And the insistence that no one could possibly not share your personal beliefs and priorities is a problem that many people have when they get too entrenched in their own positions so that they are unable to hear or acknowledge any other thoughts/perspectives. |
Most of us who live in the real world agree with PP. We are concerned about real, imminent risks. |
The “real world”? Seriously some of you are every bit as exhausting as the Trump nuts. |
Ok. Go vote for Rs for the GA because of cRiMe. The best solution for a totally real issue. 👍 |
^ this is a very real and imminent threat to women |
THANK YOU. I am beyond sick of the sanctimonious liberals on this site, lecturing others about who to vote for (or not vote for). Stay in your lane, Ds. We're all entitled to our vote and many of us are simply not obsessed with the abortion issue, as you are. |
Ooh, now tell us about blue cities and their sky-high crime rates.
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It’s an unfortunate uptick that started early in the Trump administration. That said, crime is still considerably lower than it was 20-25 years ago. Crime is a byproduct of income inequality. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/crime-rate-statistics |
| The abortion issue goes beyond the actual medical procedure. It’s a freedom issue because it’s government overreach (something “conservatives” claim to care about). It’s an economic issue because being forced to carry an unplanned pregnancy keeps women from participating in the workforce (even if only for 6 weeks) and hurts our economy which we all benefit from. It’s an education issue because the majority of young women forced to carry unplanned pregnancy don’t go to higher education (which then impacts the jobs they can get which then hurt the economy). It’s a health issue. Just read the stories of women losing their fertility and worse because “exceptions” are vague at best. it’s a health access issue, because where strict abortion bans exist, OBGYNs are leaving and hospitals are closing. And it’s a CRIME issue. Women are most at risk from domestic abuse in pregnancy. |
So…question. Are you one of the folks who believe that disparity of outcome by race indicates that racism must be the root cause of said outcome? If so, given that over 56% of abortions in Virginia in 2020 were performed on black and brown women (source: statista), how do you justify your support of abortion in VA as anything other than a structural or systemic racist effort to limit the birth (and therefor specifically target restricting the growth in population) of unborn black and brown children? I’m not even positing that this is necessarily a strong argument, because I actually don’t happen to be someone who believes that an outcome disparity along racial lines points to racism as its cause. (IMO there are usually many causes—but the current trend in health education, from CDC, Harvard, Scientific American, is to push the narrative that health inequities/outcomes by race are structurally racist)…and I was just curious about the cognitive dissonance among those who generally hold this view, and yet make exceptions for situations that are inconvenient to this viewpoint. Not sure whether anyone is even interested in thoughtful consideration of this question, especially as abortion is always a hot-button issue that is framed by strategic rhetoric on both sides of the issue, but it’s a message board, so why not put it out there……. |
It’s also a MURDER issue. It literally puts an end to a developing human life. In 38 out of 50 states, if a pregnant woman is killed along with her unborn child, the offender can be charged with double homicide. Why? It’s a life because the mother/family *wanted* that baby? So human life has value on a sliding scale that is dependent on who takes that life? …and we’ve decided that if a random stranger/violent criminal does the job, it’s murder? But if the mother is responsible for killing her unborn baby, that gets the stamp of approval? Ick. . |
I’d offer that people who oppose abortion do so because, despite ALL the potential negative ramifications you have cited above (which some will absolutely cede are valid obstacles and concerns)— they feel pretty strongly that society’s “solution” to these issues cannot be the sacrifice of innocent children. Why should a civilized society accept the viewpoint that an unborn child must bear the burden of payment for all these circumstances by sacrificing its own life? In each and every one of the scenarios above, follow the sentence with “….so just get rid of the child and problem solved” We do not enact that as a solution to any if life’s hardships once a child is outside the womb. In fact, I think we would thankfully all still agree that such an idea would be horrific and barbaric. Those who oppose abortion simply react in that same way to the idea that killing as a solution to potential hardships and problems is just as horrific of an answer when the child is still in the womb as it is when outside of it. |
So it’s pretty important to you that books depicting graphic illustrations of boy to adult oral sex be made available to children in *school* libraries rather than accessible at Barnes & Noble or available to be checked out at the public library? Because that’s what we’re taking about here, right? That’s the “banned books” rhetoric … Get as much porn into schools as possible because why have any expectation that books chosen for school libraries should be porn-free? |
Yes, I'm 100% ok with that. And your hyperbole about "porn" is ridiculous. You know that, you just argue everything in bad faith. We see you clearly. |
That isn't in any book being debated. Your "porn" is a figment of your imagination. Perv. |