Hunter’s plea deal

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Now that the court transcript is out, its clear that this was a fraud upon the court by Biden's attorneys. Thank god this judge saw through it.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that the court transcript is out, its clear that this was a fraud upon the court by Biden's attorneys. Thank god this judge saw through it.

If the prosecutors agreed to it, that's on them.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that the court transcript is out, its clear that this was a fraud upon the court by Biden's attorneys. Thank god this judge saw through it.

If the prosecutors agreed to it, that's on them.

Exposing the corruptness of this DoJ and the fraud of both sides wasnt lost on this democrat registered judge.

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Anonymous wrote:What is worse - a trump appointed prosecutor who.negotiated in bad faith or a trump appointed judge who.saw through this farce?

The judge’s nomination was fully supported by Delaware’s 2 Democratic senators. The US Atty is also a nonpartisan type. This appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! dog won’t hunt.

Lol sure. The US Atty is a political appointee and was pointed by Trump. He and the judge are full on maga. The problem occurred because both were trying to out maga each other. Good thing for Biden to walk away from this. Biden should request a new judge.

Wonderful narrative that is literally contradicted by the facts at every turn. The rational adults have now entered the conversation. This won't be ending well for the Biden family or poor Merrick Garland.

And, to note.... the judge is actually a Democrat.

"Maryellen Noreika has been considered a potential nominee for a federal judgeship in the Federal Circuit by President Joe Biden.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryellen_Noreika

Gee, I wonder if that plan is still going to be in effect!

Have you been complaining about Judge Cannon? No? Then you can sit right down.

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Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?

If someone is a current drug abuser and lies on the 4473, yeah, that’s a big problem.

Late filing taxes? How about filing for an extension?

People have looked for and not found any cases where someone was charged criminally for this gun charge and not any other gun charge.

Tons of people pay taxes late and don’t get charged criminally once they pay what was owed.

Depends on how egregious it is. This wasn't just "paying taxes late." This wasn't a Turbotax math error and it wasn't failing to remember you had a 1099 from some stock you inherited from Aunt Ethel. This covered multiple years, hundreds of thousands of dollars, and a pattern of abuse that stretched back many years, beyond where prosecutors could charge due to the statute of limitations.

Roger Stone says "hold my beer"

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/16/feds-roger-stone-tax-suit-482597

This IRS matter resulted in a Consent Judgmentbut no criminal proceedings (under the “Biden” DOJ)
“amount of $1,657,808.63 as of July 12, 2022 for their unpaid income taxes, penalties, and interest for tax years 2007 through 2011… and Judgment is entered against Roger Stone in the amount of $453,498.54 as of July 12, 2022 for his unpaid income tax, penalties, and interest for tax year 2018, plus interest thereon as provided by 26 U.S.C. §§ 6601, 6621, and 6622 “

So as egregious as Hunter, but fines and restitution, but no criminal proceeding, no threat of jail, no pleadings. Again, Hunter is the one being prosecuted outside of the norm BECAUSE HE IS THE SON OF THE PRESIDENT.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that the court transcript is out, its clear that this was a fraud upon the court by Biden's attorneys. Thank god this judge saw through it.

As I read it, Paragraph 15 is referring to diversion on the gun charge and is constrained to just the listed charges, and is NOT some kind of supposed immunity from all other crimes and future crimes known or unknown forever in perpetuity as has been bizarrely claimed.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that the court transcript is out, its clear that this was a fraud upon the court by Biden's attorneys. Thank god this judge saw through it.

As I read it, Paragraph 15 is referring to diversion on the gun charge and is constrained to just the listed charges, and is NOT some kind of supposed immunity from all other crimes and future crimes known or unknown forever in perpetuity as has been bizarrely claimed.

I said this 12 pages ago. The right wing nut jobs are taking pithy statements from Twitter and running with it sans any sense of what is actually be said or written.

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Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?

If someone is a current drug abuser and lies on the 4473, yeah, that’s a big problem.

Late filing taxes? How about filing for an extension?

People have looked for and not found any cases where someone was charged criminally for this gun charge and not any other gun charge.

Tons of people pay taxes late and don’t get charged criminally once they pay what was owed.

Depends on how egregious it is. This wasn't just "paying taxes late." This wasn't a Turbotax math error and it wasn't failing to remember you had a 1099 from some stock you inherited from Aunt Ethel. This covered multiple years, hundreds of thousands of dollars, and a pattern of abuse that stretched back many years, beyond where prosecutors could charge due to the statute of limitations.

Roger Stone says "hold my beer"

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/16/feds-roger-stone-tax-suit-482597

This IRS matter resulted in a Consent Judgmentbut no criminal proceedings (under the “Biden” DOJ)
“amount of $1,657,808.63 as of July 12, 2022 for their unpaid income taxes, penalties, and interest for tax years 2007 through 2011… and Judgment is entered against Roger Stone in the amount of $453,498.54 as of July 12, 2022 for his unpaid income tax, penalties, and interest for tax year 2018, plus interest thereon as provided by 26 U.S.C. §§ 6601, 6621, and 6622 “

So as egregious as Hunter, but fines and restitution, but no criminal proceeding, no threat of jail, no pleadings. Again, Hunter is the one being prosecuted outside of the norm BECAUSE HE IS THE SON OF THE PRESIDENT.

Speaking of Roger Stone, remember when AG Barr had the DOJ prosecutors removed from Stone’s case after Trump criticized their sentencing recommendation?

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Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?

Do you know what FARA is about?

FARA is to identify yourself if you are and American working on influencing American public opinion, policy, and laws on behalf of a foreign government.

Not for doing business with a foreign company.

Tell me what work Hunter did in influencing American public opinion, policy, and laws on behalf of a foreign government.

Exactly. Hunter was hired and paid millions because of his specialized knowledge of Ukrainian oil and gas reserves. His work history is littered with experience extracting valuable fossil fuels efficiently.

Why else would Burisma pay him millions?

What makes you leap to that utterly bizarre conclusion that it was somehow about oil and gas reserves and that Burisma somehow didn't already have plenty of that expertise on their board?

Hunter Biden has a Yale law degree and had a long history and a lot of experience in international investment banking to include 10 years at MBNA Bank where he worked his way up from being an attorney to being an executive VP.

Burisma didn't need help with understanding oil and gas reserves. Burisma needed help with investments, banking, mergers and acquisitions, managing and structuring their portfolio including international efforts in Kazakhstan, Italy et cetera.

Hunter Biden had vastly more experience and qualifications to do that than Jared Kushner did to manage the $2 billion given to him by the Saudis. The only experience Kushner ever had was in real estate.

You mean this MBNA?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mbna-paid-bidens-son-as-biden-backed-bill/

Get real for a second. Everything this guy has ever done has been through nepotism. Stop making him out to be Warren Buffet.

And again, not illegal. Stop trying to make him into Al Capone.

However, the claim of the PP that HB had long international investment banking experience through his work at MBNA, a domestic-focused credit company, is ludicrous,

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Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?

Do you know what FARA is about?

FARA is to identify yourself if you are and American working on influencing American public opinion, policy, and laws on behalf of a foreign government.

Not for doing business with a foreign company.

Tell me what work Hunter did in influencing American public opinion, policy, and laws on behalf of a foreign government.

Exactly. Hunter was hired and paid millions because of his specialized knowledge of Ukrainian oil and gas reserves. His work history is littered with experience extracting valuable fossil fuels efficiently.

Why else would Burisma pay him millions?

He was asked to join the board because of his knowledge of American and specifically Delaware corporate law, where Burisma was incorporated. Are you suggesting that all Board members of all corporate entities have discrete knowledge of only the primary business of said corporation and not have other knowledge to contribute?

DP. I think that if his last name was not Biden he still would have been asked to join the board. He has sterling academic credentials and a wealth of relevant experience.

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Anonymous wrote:Weiss is not incompetent. One has to wonder why he did this.......

Based on conversations with people who were in the courtroom today, and my experience as a former federal prosecutor, I think I know the full story of what happened with the Hunter Biden plea agreement blow-up this morning.

Bear with me, because this is a little complicated:

Typically, if the Government is offering to a defendant that it will either drop charges or decline to bring new charges in return for the defendant's guilty plea, the plea is structured under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11(c)(1)(A). An agreement not to prosecute Hunter for FARA violations or other crimes in return for his pleading guilty to the tax misdemeanors, for example, would usually be a (c)(1)(A) plea. This is open, transparent, subject to judicial approval, etc.

In Hunter's case, according to what folks in the courtroom have told me, Hunter's plea was structured under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11(c)(1)(B), which is usually just a plea in return for a joint sentencing recommendation only, and contained no information on its face about other potential charges, and contained no clear agreement by DOJ to forego prosecution of other charges.

Instead, DOJ and Hunter's lawyers effectively hid that part of the agreement in what was publicly described as a pretrial diversion agreement relating to a § 922(g)(3) gun charge against Hunter for being a drug user in possession of a firearm.

That pretrial diversion agreement as written was actually MUCH broader than just the gun charge. If Hunter were to complete probation, the pretrial diversion agreement prevented DOJ from ever bringing charges against Hunter for any crimes relating to the offense conduct discussed in the plea agreement, which was purposely written to include his foreign influence peddling operations in China and elsewhere.

So they put the facts in the plea agreement, but put their non-prosecution agreement in the pretrial diversion agreement, effectively hiding the full scope of what DOJ was offering and Hunter was obtaining through these proceedings. Hunter's upside from this deal was vast immunity from further prosecution if he finished a couple years of probation, and the public wouldn't be any the wiser because none of this was clearly stated on the face of the plea agreement, as would normally be the case.

Judge Noreika smelled a rat. She understood that the lawyers were trying to paint her into a corner and hide the ball. Instead, she backed DOJ and Hunter's lawyers into a corner by pulling all the details out into the open and then indicating that she wasn't going to approve a deal as broad as what she had discovered.

DOJ, attempting to save face and save its case, then stated on the record that the investigation into Hunter was ongoing and that Hunter remained susceptible to prosecution under FARA. Hunter's lawyers exploded. They clearly believed that FARA was covered under the deal, because as written, the pretrial diversion agreement language was broad enough to cover it. They blew up the deal, Hunter pled not guilty, and that's the current state of play.

And so here we are. Hunter's lawyers and DOJ are going to go off and try to pull together a new set of agreements, likely narrower, to satisfy Judge Noreika. Fortunately, I doubt if FARA or any charges related to Hunter's foreign influence peddling will be included, which leaves open the possibility of further investigations leading to further prosecutions.

I’m pretty sure that if that were true it would be front-page news, maybe internationally. So I don’t think you actually know what you’re talking about. Thank you, next!

DP. It is, actually news. And a plausible theory. The immunity part is one of the reasons this deal got shredded. Please don’t work too hard spinning this.

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Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?

Do you know what FARA is about?

FARA is to identify yourself if you are and American working on influencing American public opinion, policy, and laws on behalf of a foreign government.

Not for doing business with a foreign company.

Tell me what work Hunter did in influencing American public opinion, policy, and laws on behalf of a foreign government.

Exactly. Hunter was hired and paid millions because of his specialized knowledge of Ukrainian oil and gas reserves. His work history is littered with experience extracting valuable fossil fuels efficiently.

Why else would Burisma pay him millions?

Welcome to the wonderful world of corporate boards. Still not a FARA violation.

Well apparently that is still being investigated. So we might just want to pump the brakes on the whole "Hunter did nothing wrong" sermonizing you're doing.

The Julius and Ethel Rosenberg trial was shorter. Criminy, how many more years of "investigation" are we in for?

The answer to that depends on how much longer the DOJ will be stonewalling a proper and honest investigation. It's clear the Hunter stuff isn't going away any time soon, and that becomes an accruing liability for the Biden campaign each and every day.

I still stand by my prediction this will lead to President Biden not seeking a 2nd term. We shall see.

You understand that Hunter isn't hasn't been and won't be working in the White House, right?

The RWNJs are convinced this is a huge deal because it’s all they hear about on Fox, OAN, Breitbart, etc. But no one normal actually cares about any of this.

Many Independents care.

I haven't seen polling or even anecdotal evidence to support that claim - have you? Or are you getting this from yourself and your friends? (Which can be anecdotal evidence.)

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Liar-In-Chief

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Or, he didn’t know the details of his sons business dealings because he had nothing to do with them.

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Why does this clip end right as he says “in”? What does he say after that? The clip doesn’t even include the word “china.” Makes me suspicious something important is being cut off.