"No Labels" Party

[Anonymous]

You don't want third parties.
You don't want challengers to a very old incumbent president.
You want everyone to STFU and hold our noses and vote between Biden and Trump.

Most people think that sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't want third parties.
You don't want challengers to a very old incumbent president.
You want everyone to STFU and hold our noses and vote between Biden and Trump.

Most people think that sucks.

Not the PP but this prior post bears repeating.

Rather than a third party, which has zero chance of winning under our current system, we should be advocating for ranked choice voting and publicly funded campaigns. Much more effective.

[Anonymous]

Agree.

IRV brings out more moderate results and public financing gets corporate and dark money out of our politics.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump won’t even be the nominee.

Unless he has been convicted by election day, yes he will be.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess it’s fun to have a breezy and pithy attitude when your health isn’t at stake.
Bully for you.

This is what I’m saying as I call every single “moderate” and “independent” and “I voted Democrat but” voter on a Republican. We can still get our country back on track and off this weird medieval-but-with-cell-phones thing that regressives want, but if too many would be Democratic voters peel off “because both parties should implode” (seriously effed up and stupid take, PP) and vote third party, we’re done. The GOP has got to be beat all the way back to such a place of loss that they drop the extremism and stupidity that has hallmarked that party for years.

Why shouldn’t we want better than the grotesque parties we have now? We need a serious realignment, and at least 3 strong parties to keep things balanced.

The money and power around DC has no desire for a political realignment and certainly no desire for a viable 3rd party. Self preservation is the strongest of human instincts. You will be shouted down for such thoughts in a DC metro political thread. It is what it is.

It is more about reality. Right now, there are two parties and the choice is the authoritarianism embraced by Trump and the GOP or the Democrats. Anthing that isn't a vote for the democrats is a vote for Trumpism. So sure, if you want to live in a Christo-Fascist authoritarian state where women are incubators and we are aligned with Russia and against actual freedoms, then stay home, vote 3rd party or vote for Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:I welcome a No Labels candidate to the upcoming presidential election.

We need a good, middle of the road candidate. Someone who can offer the country common-sense solutions without drama, or concerns about that person’s health.

Unless you are in a swing state, it makes no difference. Write in Oprah or George Washington if you want. If you are voting in a swing state you in effect vote for Biden or Trump/third party. That is just the way the cookie crumbles.

True but oh how the R and D parties would quickly transform for the better if only 80% of voting Americans voted for their questionable at best candidates instead of the over 98% of Americans voters that gave their stamp of approval to the R and D candidates in 2020. Throw a Ross Perot into the mix and enjoy the cleansing effect.

Agree with this. I am staying home if my choices are Biden vs Trump.

Then you are voting for Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd vote for a Manchin/Hogan or Manchin/Huntsman ticket. GOP is filled with crazies who defend the insurrection and deny the election. DNC is filled with crazies who want to pay off everyone's student loans and take away my gas-powered durable goods.

Huh? DNC crazies? What's wrong with loan forgiveness? And do you think Manchin is going to fix the cost of higher education? Nope. And, "take away your gas powered durable goods?" Do you seriously think a squad of armed, jackbooted EPA ninjas are going to come rappelling down from black helicopters at 3AM, kick in your garage door and take away your car? Wow. Get serious, that is not at all the case. Not even remotely. If anything your NEXT car might either have higher MPG standards or an incentive if you buy an EV or plug-in hybrid.

I am hoping your post was in jest.

I'd vote for Manchin because of crime. Biden is terrible and I voted for him, Clinton, and Obama.

Don't be ignorant. You vote for trump ( a vote for manchin or some other spoiler is the same as a vote for trump), or you vote for Biden. You have to pick you poison like everyone else.

No, they really don’t. And this time a 3rd party has a better chance than most elections if Trump and Biden are the major party candidates. Not sure I will vote 3rd party but it is intriguing.

No they don't. There is ZERO chance for a third party to win an election. The best it can do is take enough votes away from one of the GOP or Dems for the other to win. Jill Stein and the "Greens" did it to Hillary, and "No Labels" intends to do it to Biden. If you want Trump, vote Trump or No Labels. If you want the Dems, then vote for Biden. There is no middle ground in this cycle. Perhaps in the future, but not in 2024.

Are you the same poster posting every other comment? Or are there multiple people trying to alienate independent voters by calling us secret Republicans?

It isn't about "secret republicans," it is reality for the 2024 election. If you vote 3rd party (ie Jill Stein effect) it is one less vote for Biden and increases Trump's chances of winning. We can have a broader debate about parties and alignments and voting reform which should happen, but won't as long as the GOP controls the House, but for 2024, the choice is simple. You either want to American experiment to continue, or you want something very different to take its place.

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Anonymous wrote:What? Totally bizarre response. I'm an independent voter in a MD suburbs. I don't take any money from political parties. So odd.

If you are the 23:24 poster, what are people supposed to comment about? Abortion? Climate change? Those topics have their own threads for specific dedicated discussion. This thread is about dissatisfaction with the lack of political choices and whether the No Labels party can shake up entrenched partisanship

In 2024, the No Labels Party, which is funded by the same people who brought you the right wing justices and Trump in 2016, want you to vote for them and not Biden, so Trump will win. If you think that shakes up entrenched partisanship, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:Rather than a third party, which has zero chance of winning under our current system, we should be advocating for ranked choice voting and publicly funded campaigns. Much more effective.

Ahh but you see that’s the tell. They’re never interested in the hard work of working for political changes like ranked choice voting and I have never once heard these IdEaLiStS (Republicans) so much as mention getting money out of politics (though they do like to mention BoTh PaRtIeS and money a lot), nor have they and their big “ShAkE iT uP!” ideologies want to put in the work to build a new party from the ground up, it’s always “we’re gonna fix every systemic problem in politics with this one weird trick both parties hate!”

Both parties don’t hate this one weird trick. The GOP has used this as a weapon for 20 years. Say it with me: Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd vote for a Manchin/Hogan or Manchin/Huntsman ticket. GOP is filled with crazies who defend the insurrection and deny the election. DNC is filled with crazies who want to pay off everyone's student loans and take away my gas-powered durable goods.

Huh? DNC crazies? What's wrong with loan forgiveness? And do you think Manchin is going to fix the cost of higher education? Nope. And, "take away your gas powered durable goods?" Do you seriously think a squad of armed, jackbooted EPA ninjas are going to come rappelling down from black helicopters at 3AM, kick in your garage door and take away your car? Wow. Get serious, that is not at all the case. Not even remotely. If anything your NEXT car might either have higher MPG standards or an incentive if you buy an EV or plug-in hybrid.

I am hoping your post was in jest.

I'd vote for Manchin because of crime. Biden is terrible and I voted for him, Clinton, and Obama.

Don't be ignorant. You vote for trump ( a vote for manchin or some other spoiler is the same as a vote for trump), or you vote for Biden. You have to pick you poison like everyone else.

No, they really don’t. And this time a 3rd party has a better chance than most elections if Trump and Biden are the major party candidates. Not sure I will vote 3rd party but it is intriguing.

No they don't. There is ZERO chance for a third party to win an election. The best it can do is take enough votes away from one of the GOP or Dems for the other to win. Jill Stein and the "Greens" did it to Hillary, and "No Labels" intends to do it to Biden. If you want Trump, vote Trump or No Labels. If you want the Dems, then vote for Biden. There is no middle ground in this cycle. Perhaps in the future, but not in 2024.

Are you the same poster posting every other comment? Or are there multiple people trying to alienate independent voters by calling us secret Republicans?

It isn't about "secret republicans," it is reality for the 2024 election. If you vote 3rd party (ie Jill Stein effect) it is one less vote for Biden and increases Trump's chances of winning. We can have a broader debate about parties and alignments and voting reform which should happen, but won't as long as the GOP controls the House, but for 2024, the choice is simple. You either want to American experiment to continue, or you want something very different to take its place.

+1 And also “No Labels” is funded by Republicans.

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This no labels campaign very likely helps to get trump elected so it's continued efforts indicate that no labels approves of that outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:I welcome a No Labels candidate to the upcoming presidential election.

We need a good, middle of the road candidate. Someone who can offer the country common-sense solutions without drama, or concerns about that person’s health.

The no labels candidate is in effect the same as Trump. The actual result is Dems vs. Republicans/no labels. You may wish it to be different but that is the system.

How so? The presumed No Labels candidate support made possible President Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act!

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Anonymous wrote:Rather than a third party, which has zero chance of winning under our current system, we should be advocating for ranked choice voting and publicly funded campaigns. Much more effective.

Ahh but you see that’s the tell. They’re never interested in the hard work of working for political changes like ranked choice voting and I have never once heard these IdEaLiStS (Republicans) so much as mention getting money out of politics (though they do like to mention BoTh PaRtIeS and money a lot), nor have they and their big “ShAkE iT uP!” ideologies want to put in the work to build a new party from the ground up, it’s always “we’re gonna fix every systemic problem in politics with this one weird trick both parties hate!”

Both parties don’t hate this one weird trick. The GOP has used this as a weapon for 20 years. Say it with me: Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.

Alaskan voters approved ranked choice voting and the state Republican Party went nuts against it once they realized moderates would get elected:

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/3624553-republicans-rage-against-ranked-choice-voting-after-alaska-election/

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Anonymous wrote:This no labels campaign very likely helps to get trump elected so it's continued efforts indicate that no labels approves of that outcome.

Only if people fall for it. And I wouldn’t consider the “independents” on this page to be people falling for it, they’re the crap purveyors pushing it.

Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein. Since either the “independents” are too dumb to follow this argument I’ve been making or they’re paid to pretend they can’t, think how much we’ve ground we’ve lost with people voting third party. I brought up abortion rights and global warming as those are my two biggest issues, but there’s also the loss of workers rights and massive wealth inequality, deep corruption in the GOP that has been entrenched into the government, white supremacism, the police forces have not gotten better (I love when videos of English and European cops politely but seriously taking down criminals rises to the top of the internet; that is training) gun violence and specifically gun violence in our schools…

We will lose what little Biden and the Democrats have clawed back if the “third party” nonsense takes off. Be vocal IRL. People seem to have the memories of butterflies.