I know Heather was complicated and imperfect, but her writing at her peak was incredible. Hilarious and raw and intense. It hasn't been the same in the last 10 years, but those early years when she had babies? It was brillant. |
Kath is still writing on the internet. Much to my surprise. She also divorced, and then had another child with a new husband. |
It was pretty obvious even back then. Just because people chose to ignore wise caution doesn't mean this wasn't all foreseeable. |
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Give me vintage dooce any day over today's carefully curated influencers with staged photos that hide all the imperfections and make normal people feel inferior.
I remember thinking dooce was a little like the Erma Bombeck whose humor columns about homemaking and kids I grew up reading, except more sped up and modern and with a lot more cursing and dogs. Girls Gone Child was another blog I used to follow. She wrote a Peter Pan movie, and her husband died of cancer, and she's raising her kids alone now. Mighty Girl was another one that's long since disappeared. Momversation. The Bloggie awards. I like the Cory Doctorow quote the PP above wrote. It started off really nice, as a community. The Sound of Music kids grew up to write about how their nanny exploited them. Child actors get their money taken by their parents all the time. There really should be rules about what you are and aren't allowed to publish online or on social media. That said, at what point is the experience your kids and at what point is it your own, as a parent? There is value to writing about the ins-and-outs of raising children -- I know because I used to get good tips from some of those old blogs. Sure, you keep the most sensitive info to yourself or discuss with friends. But we're not, and shouldn't be, banning books with stories about raising kids in them. I think now, 20 (?) years after it all started, some of those old time bloggers should get together and write a proposed set of standards for mommy and daddy blogging, based on the fallout from their own experiences. I think people would find it useful! |
This is such a rube’s take. It was and is ALL garbage, and the curation by Dooce was as extreme as a Millenial-pink swathed latte-addict travel blogger. ALL of the OG bloggers eventually had their houses of cards fall down. It was all always bullshit to seem so rill like wine mom with mastitis really rill. It’s all so goddamned dumb, and that’s fine, but it’s not exactly writing. And the Cool Girl who was actually a rill mess is fundamentally boring, which is the saddest thing of all. |
If anyone is trying to pull of "Cool Girl" here, it's you -- trying to convince people who were genuinely moved by Armstrong's writing that they simply have no taste, that they were fooled by the photos (as though taking compelling photos of home life is not in itself an art form), that if we were all just a little more discerning, we'd see through it all. You are mistaking criticism for judgment and speaking without even a hint of humility. Dooce, at her best, engaged in something that too few writers today are willing to touch -- vulnerability. She was willing to expose her own ugliness to the world, and comment on it, and had the gaul not to be embarrassed by it. It liberated many of us who had spent entire lives hiding our ugliness, believing it to be unfeminine and embarrassing. Turns out it was just our humanity, is all. |
Gall not gaul. I mean. You have poor judgment and worse taste, and yes, no discernment. The idea that publishing whether online or in print rejects vulnerability and strains, achingly (so achingly) for perfection is funny. False, but funny. I’m glad Dooce set you free. |
+1 to the value of the early bloggers and +100 to pp thinking dismissing all the bloggers and all their readers out of hand is so sophisticated. |
This takedown of PP (me - I wrote the "Give me vintage dooce" post it criticizes) is written very much in the spirit of GOMI -- the person you're disagreeing with is a "rube" and the blogs in question are "ALL garbage" and were "always b@llsh^t" and "dumb" and "fundamentally boring." Insult everyone as personally and entertainingly as you can for fun and the lolz. Maybe you are making a point, but I can barely perceive it beneath your absolute contempt for everyone and need to display your keenly discerning taste. You write like Alice, so I guess your time on GOMI has served you well. |
I didn't frequent Dooce's blogs, but I loved the comment sections in a lot of blogs I followed back in the day. The number of people participating usually wasn't overwhelming and the flaming was usually minimal. There was a sense of community. |
| Seems to me some of the dooce hate is really hating on the moms-who-like-wine culture. |
Sorry, but plenty of writers have embraced “vulnerability.” I have a family member who decided to go vulnerable on her blog and shamelessly shared a bunch of private family info (eg, marital problems) to the whole internet. It’s gross and I’m ashamed that she shared what she did publicly in a non anonymous way. The victims of this vulnerability are my family members who did not consent to having their private lives shared for clicks. |
I'm a new poster. I've been reading this thread because over the years many referred me to this blog, starting in like 2005 and I never understood the appeal. I tried reading several occasions and found it to be boring and self-indulgent. "Willing to expose ugliness to the word and not be embarrassed by it" seems more like a narcissist's desperate search for validation from strangers. But, we all have different opinions and if her writing brought you peace and happiness, that is a good thing. Even though I was not a fan, nonetheless a parent committing suicide is always a tragedy. |
With regard to the underlined: Of course you don't. Heartless, apathetic people rarely do. I seriously hope you don't have children, because one day, your child may come home and tell you that other girls are posting lies about her on Snapchat & Instagram, and she's hysterical crying because EVERYONE she knows is gossiping & laughing at her. Are you going to tell your daughter to just delete Snapchat, block everyone in her school, and avoid all of the whispers, pointing and taunts that she hears in the hallways -- because avoiding them is her choice? I wonder if you'd be this heartless & direct to your own child? If your answer is "Yes, I would be", then you're a calous, compasionless, pitiful excuse for a parent. If the answer is "No, of course I wouldn't" then you're a pathetic, inauthentic hypocrite. Either way, you seem to have a deeply flawed character defect. |