Are magnets worth it for college admission?

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid loves academic competitions, blair magnet provides many opportunities and peers.
However, no or very little improvement on their college admissions if the students can get same states and EC achievement.

Hard to reconcile this with the actual data that shows Blair has significantly better college admissions than other MCPS schools.

Where can this data be found?

Look at the link posted earlier in this thread for RMIB, or google the college edition of Bethesda Beat.

Here is the list from Bethesda magazine - I just was looking at it and it starts on page 68. It's hard to glean exactly hat is happening though because they don't separate the magnets from the rest of the school. And Blair is the biggest high school in MD so many of the applied and or accepted could be non-magnet kids. I wish they had a nice lost like the RMIB program does.

https://issuu.com/bethesdamagazine/docs/1sept-oct_22_digital_edition

Also Blair and RMIB are very diverse schools, and home school kids can take magnet classes. So a highperforming URM who appeals to top schools might not necessarily be in the magnet programs, which are ~90% Asian.

I dont know about RMIB, Blair Smac is about 50-60% Asian. Never 90%. I had two kids went through the magnet.

At the admitted students night this year for incoming 9th grade, the attendees were more than 80 percent Asian. Perhaps it will shake out differently with acceptances but it seems likely to be higher than 50-60%.

Maybe more Asian families showed up that night. That's not something Asian families would miss.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid loves academic competitions, blair magnet provides many opportunities and peers.
However, no or very little improvement on their college admissions if the students can get same states and EC achievement.

Hard to reconcile this with the actual data that shows Blair has significantly better college admissions than other MCPS schools.

Where can this data be found?

Look at the link posted earlier in this thread for RMIB, or google the college edition of Bethesda Beat.

Here is the list from Bethesda magazine - I just was looking at it and it starts on page 68. It's hard to glean exactly hat is happening though because they don't separate the magnets from the rest of the school. And Blair is the biggest high school in MD so many of the applied and or accepted could be non-magnet kids. I wish they had a nice lost like the RMIB program does.

https://issuu.com/bethesdamagazine/docs/1sept-oct_22_digital_edition

Also Blair and RMIB are very diverse schools, and home school kids can take magnet classes. So a highperforming URM who appeals to top schools might not necessarily be in the magnet programs, which are ~90% Asian.

I dont know about RMIB, Blair Smac is about 50-60% Asian. Never 90%. I had two kids went through the magnet.

At the admitted students night this year for incoming 9th grade, the attendees were more than 80 percent Asian. Perhaps it will shake out differently with acceptances but it seems likely to be higher than 50-60%.

Maybe more Asian families showed up that night. That's not something Asian families would miss.

Last time I checked the actual demographics, Blair SMCS was 65% Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid loves academic competitions, blair magnet provides many opportunities and peers.
However, no or very little improvement on their college admissions if the students can get same states and EC achievement.

Hard to reconcile this with the actual data that shows Blair has significantly better college admissions than other MCPS schools.

Where can this data be found?

Look at the link posted earlier in this thread for RMIB, or google the college edition of Bethesda Beat.

Here is the list from Bethesda magazine - I just was looking at it and it starts on page 68. It's hard to glean exactly hat is happening though because they don't separate the magnets from the rest of the school. And Blair is the biggest high school in MD so many of the applied and or accepted could be non-magnet kids. I wish they had a nice lost like the RMIB program does.

https://issuu.com/bethesdamagazine/docs/1sept-oct_22_digital_edition

Also Blair and RMIB are very diverse schools, and home school kids can take magnet classes. So a highperforming URM who appeals to top schools might not necessarily be in the magnet programs, which are ~90% Asian.

I dont know about RMIB, Blair Smac is about 50-60% Asian. Never 90%. I had two kids went through the magnet.

At the admitted students night this year for incoming 9th grade, the attendees were more than 80 percent Asian. Perhaps it will shake out differently with acceptances but it seems likely to be higher than 50-60%.

Maybe more Asian families showed up that night. That's not something Asian families would miss.

It’s not something any families would miss if they are intending to attend or seriously considering it. Why would you think Asian families care more???

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid loves academic competitions, blair magnet provides many opportunities and peers.
However, no or very little improvement on their college admissions if the students can get same states and EC achievement.

Hard to reconcile this with the actual data that shows Blair has significantly better college admissions than other MCPS schools.

Where can this data be found?

Look at the link posted earlier in this thread for RMIB, or google the college edition of Bethesda Beat.

Here is the list from Bethesda magazine - I just was looking at it and it starts on page 68. It's hard to glean exactly hat is happening though because they don't separate the magnets from the rest of the school. And Blair is the biggest high school in MD so many of the applied and or accepted could be non-magnet kids. I wish they had a nice lost like the RMIB program does.

https://issuu.com/bethesdamagazine/docs/1sept-oct_22_digital_edition

Also Blair and RMIB are very diverse schools, and home school kids can take magnet classes. So a highperforming URM who appeals to top schools might not necessarily be in the magnet programs, which are ~90% Asian.

I dont know about RMIB, Blair Smac is about 50-60% Asian. Never 90%. I had two kids went through the magnet.

At the admitted students night this year for incoming 9th grade, the attendees were more than 80 percent Asian. Perhaps it will shake out differently with acceptances but it seems likely to be higher than 50-60%.

Maybe more Asian families showed up that night. That's not something Asian families would miss.

Last time I checked the actual demographics, Blair SMCS was 65% Asian.

I wasn’t talking about the demographics of current students but of accepted students.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid loves academic competitions, blair magnet provides many opportunities and peers.
However, no or very little improvement on their college admissions if the students can get same states and EC achievement.

Hard to reconcile this with the actual data that shows Blair has significantly better college admissions than other MCPS schools.

Where can this data be found?

Look at the link posted earlier in this thread for RMIB, or google the college edition of Bethesda Beat.

Here is the list from Bethesda magazine - I just was looking at it and it starts on page 68. It's hard to glean exactly hat is happening though because they don't separate the magnets from the rest of the school. And Blair is the biggest high school in MD so many of the applied and or accepted could be non-magnet kids. I wish they had a nice lost like the RMIB program does.

https://issuu.com/bethesdamagazine/docs/1sept-oct_22_digital_edition

Also Blair and RMIB are very diverse schools, and home school kids can take magnet classes. So a highperforming URM who appeals to top schools might not necessarily be in the magnet programs, which are ~90% Asian.

I dont know about RMIB, Blair Smac is about 50-60% Asian. Never 90%. I had two kids went through the magnet.

At the admitted students night this year for incoming 9th grade, the attendees were more than 80 percent Asian. Perhaps it will shake out differently with acceptances but it seems likely to be higher than 50-60%.

Maybe more Asian families showed up that night. That's not something Asian families would miss.

Last time I checked the actual demographics, Blair SMCS was 65% Asian.

I wasn’t talking about the demographics of current students but of accepted students.

It's been mostly stable the past few years, but it is a race-blind process so hard to predict. There are more Asian applicants than any other demographic. The numbers of applicants and admits by demographic cohort were posted here a month or two ago for the past couple of years. Although there are some differences, admissions seem to mostly just reflect interest.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid loves academic competitions, blair magnet provides many opportunities and peers.
However, no or very little improvement on their college admissions if the students can get same states and EC achievement.

Hard to reconcile this with the actual data that shows Blair has significantly better college admissions than other MCPS schools.

Where can this data be found?

Look at the link posted earlier in this thread for RMIB, or google the college edition of Bethesda Beat.

Here is the list from Bethesda magazine - I just was looking at it and it starts on page 68. It's hard to glean exactly hat is happening though because they don't separate the magnets from the rest of the school. And Blair is the biggest high school in MD so many of the applied and or accepted could be non-magnet kids. I wish they had a nice lost like the RMIB program does.

https://issuu.com/bethesdamagazine/docs/1sept-oct_22_digital_edition

Also Blair and RMIB are very diverse schools, and home school kids can take magnet classes. So a highperforming URM who appeals to top schools might not necessarily be in the magnet programs, which are ~90% Asian.

I dont know about RMIB, Blair Smac is about 50-60% Asian. Never 90%. I had two kids went through the magnet.

At the admitted students night this year for incoming 9th grade, the attendees were more than 80 percent Asian. Perhaps it will shake out differently with acceptances but it seems likely to be higher than 50-60%.

Maybe more Asian families showed up that night. That's not something Asian families would miss.

It’s not something any families would miss if they are intending to attend or seriously considering it. Why would you think Asian families care more???

There is definitely some selection bias in who goes to the admitted student nights. My kids went to two magnets, and I did go to the admitted student nights, but I knew plenty of parents that sent their kids there that did not attend the admitted student night, because they or their kids had already made up their mind, or because they were busy or whatever. I can't speak to whether Asian parents would be more likely to go, but I disagree with your premise that anyone seriously considering it would go.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid loves academic competitions, blair magnet provides many opportunities and peers.
However, no or very little improvement on their college admissions if the students can get same states and EC achievement.

Hard to reconcile this with the actual data that shows Blair has significantly better college admissions than other MCPS schools.

Where can this data be found?

Look at the link posted earlier in this thread for RMIB, or google the college edition of Bethesda Beat.

Here is the list from Bethesda magazine - I just was looking at it and it starts on page 68. It's hard to glean exactly hat is happening though because they don't separate the magnets from the rest of the school. And Blair is the biggest high school in MD so many of the applied and or accepted could be non-magnet kids. I wish they had a nice lost like the RMIB program does.

https://issuu.com/bethesdamagazine/docs/1sept-oct_22_digital_edition

Also Blair and RMIB are very diverse schools, and home school kids can take magnet classes. So a highperforming URM who appeals to top schools might not necessarily be in the magnet programs, which are ~90% Asian.

I dont know about RMIB, Blair Smac is about 50-60% Asian. Never 90%. I had two kids went through the magnet.

At the admitted students night this year for incoming 9th grade, the attendees were more than 80 percent Asian. Perhaps it will shake out differently with acceptances but it seems likely to be higher than 50-60%.

Maybe more Asian families showed up that night. That's not something Asian families would miss.

It’s not something any families would miss if they are intending to attend or seriously considering it. Why would you think Asian families care more???

There is definitely some selection bias in who goes to the admitted student nights. My kids went to two magnets, and I did go to the admitted student nights, but I knew plenty of parents that sent their kids there that did not attend the admitted student night, because they or their kids had already made up their mind, or because they were busy or whatever. I can't speak to whether Asian parents would be more likely to go, but I disagree with your premise that anyone seriously considering it would go.

At the admitted student night for Blair there were folders for each admitted child. Only a handful remained at the end of the evening. The suggestion that only Asian parents care enough to go to the admitted students night is insulting and racist.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kid loves academic competitions, blair magnet provides many opportunities and peers.
However, no or very little improvement on their college admissions if the students can get same states and EC achievement.

Hard to reconcile this with the actual data that shows Blair has significantly better college admissions than other MCPS schools.

Where can this data be found?

Look at the link posted earlier in this thread for RMIB, or google the college edition of Bethesda Beat.

Here is the list from Bethesda magazine - I just was looking at it and it starts on page 68. It's hard to glean exactly hat is happening though because they don't separate the magnets from the rest of the school. And Blair is the biggest high school in MD so many of the applied and or accepted could be non-magnet kids. I wish they had a nice lost like the RMIB program does.

https://issuu.com/bethesdamagazine/docs/1sept-oct_22_digital_edition

Also Blair and RMIB are very diverse schools, and home school kids can take magnet classes. So a highperforming URM who appeals to top schools might not necessarily be in the magnet programs, which are ~90% Asian.

I dont know about RMIB, Blair Smac is about 50-60% Asian. Never 90%. I had two kids went through the magnet.

At the admitted students night this year for incoming 9th grade, the attendees were more than 80 percent Asian. Perhaps it will shake out differently with acceptances but it seems likely to be higher than 50-60%.

What did you do? Take a census?

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid loves academic competitions, blair magnet provides many opportunities and peers.
However, no or very little improvement on their college admissions if the students can get same states and EC achievement.

Hard to reconcile this with the actual data that shows Blair has significantly better college admissions than other MCPS schools.

Where can this data be found?

Look at the link posted earlier in this thread for RMIB, or google the college edition of Bethesda Beat.

Here is the list from Bethesda magazine - I just was looking at it and it starts on page 68. It's hard to glean exactly hat is happening though because they don't separate the magnets from the rest of the school. And Blair is the biggest high school in MD so many of the applied and or accepted could be non-magnet kids. I wish they had a nice lost like the RMIB program does.

https://issuu.com/bethesdamagazine/docs/1sept-oct_22_digital_edition

Also Blair and RMIB are very diverse schools, and home school kids can take magnet classes. So a highperforming URM who appeals to top schools might not necessarily be in the magnet programs, which are ~90% Asian.

I dont know about RMIB, Blair Smac is about 50-60% Asian. Never 90%. I had two kids went through the magnet.

At the admitted students night this year for incoming 9th grade, the attendees were more than 80 percent Asian. Perhaps it will shake out differently with acceptances but it seems likely to be higher than 50-60%.

What did you do? Take a census?

We were divided into groups (parents and kids). Given that the groups were overwhelmingly Asian, it was very easy to calculate by counting the tiny number of non Asian families. We were in a group of 25-30, with 2 white families, 1 black and 1 mixed race, the rest were Asian. The other groups seemed to be similar at a glance, but likely were not dramatically different.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t do magnet for college admission purposes. Some kids need more. If your kid is one of those then yes. If not, go to home school.

Totally agree! Mine needed the more that the Magnet gave; deeper classes/instruction, similar peers, etc… but IT DOES not help that much in terms of college acceptances. IT DOES help in being prepared better for college; time management, deeper understanding of info, work ethic, etc…

The college acceptances for RMIB as well as Blair SMCS are well documented and significantly above regular MCPS high schools. This fact contradicts your statement that it doesn't help.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t do magnet for college admission purposes. Some kids need more. If your kid is one of those then yes. If not, go to home school.

Totally agree! Mine needed the more that the Magnet gave; deeper classes/instruction, similar peers, etc… but IT DOES not help that much in terms of college acceptances. IT DOES help in being prepared better for college; time management, deeper understanding of info, work ethic, etc…

The college acceptances for RMIB as well as Blair SMCS are well documented and significantly above regular MCPS high schools. This fact contradicts your statement that it doesn't help.

You're not measuring the right thing. Of course RMIB acceptances are higher-- 100% of the kids are among the top in all of MCPS. At their home school, the vast majority wouldn't even hit a threshold to be looked at for admissions.

The right question is whether this given kid would have a better chance at their home school or at RMIB. I'm pretty convinced that they'd have a better chance at their home school. But they'll get a better HS education at the magnet, and that's probably more important.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t do magnet for college admission purposes. Some kids need more. If your kid is one of those then yes. If not, go to home school.

Totally agree! Mine needed the more that the Magnet gave; deeper classes/instruction, similar peers, etc… but IT DOES not help that much in terms of college acceptances. IT DOES help in being prepared better for college; time management, deeper understanding of info, work ethic, etc…

The college acceptances for RMIB as well as Blair SMCS are well documented and significantly above regular MCPS high schools. This fact contradicts your statement that it doesn't help.

You're not measuring the right thing. Of course RMIB acceptances are higher-- 100% of the kids are among the top in all of MCPS. At their home school, the vast majority wouldn't even hit a threshold to be looked at for admissions.

The right question is whether this given kid would have a better chance at their home school or at RMIB. I'm pretty convinced that they'd have a better chance at their home school. But they'll get a better HS education at the magnet, and that's probably more important.

Not necessarily .

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t do magnet for college admission purposes. Some kids need more. If your kid is one of those then yes. If not, go to home school.

Totally agree! Mine needed the more that the Magnet gave; deeper classes/instruction, similar peers, etc… but IT DOES not help that much in terms of college acceptances. IT DOES help in being prepared better for college; time management, deeper understanding of info, work ethic, etc…

The college acceptances for RMIB as well as Blair SMCS are well documented and significantly above regular MCPS high schools. This fact contradicts your statement that it doesn't help.

You're not measuring the right thing. Of course RMIB acceptances are higher-- 100% of the kids are among the top in all of MCPS. At their home school, the vast majority wouldn't even hit a threshold to be looked at for admissions.

The right question is whether this given kid would have a better chance at their home school or at RMIB. I'm pretty convinced that they'd have a better chance at their home school. But they'll get a better HS education at the magnet, and that's probably more important.

We already know the answer to this by comparing outcomes from the homeschools versus outcomes from the magnets.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t do magnet for college admission purposes. Some kids need more. If your kid is one of those then yes. If not, go to home school.

Totally agree! Mine needed the more that the Magnet gave; deeper classes/instruction, similar peers, etc… but IT DOES not help that much in terms of college acceptances. IT DOES help in being prepared better for college; time management, deeper understanding of info, work ethic, etc…

The college acceptances for RMIB as well as Blair SMCS are well documented and significantly above regular MCPS high schools. This fact contradicts your statement that it doesn't help.

You're not measuring the right thing. Of course RMIB acceptances are higher-- 100% of the kids are among the top in all of MCPS. At their home school, the vast majority wouldn't even hit a threshold to be looked at for admissions.

The right question is whether this given kid would have a better chance at their home school or at RMIB. I'm pretty convinced that they'd have a better chance at their home school. But they'll get a better HS education at the magnet, and that's probably more important.

We already know the answer to this by comparing outcomes from the homeschools versus outcomes from the magnets.

Of course those are two completely different things. The students in the magnets are the best and brightest from the home schools. Even the kid ranked last in the magnet program would be in top 10 at home school. And top 10 kids at home school surely got into a top university. So all (or nearly all, assuming that the magnet selection process isn't perfect) magnet students should be getting into top universities... assuming they applied.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid loves academic competitions, blair magnet provides many opportunities and peers.
However, no or very little improvement on their college admissions if the students can get same states and EC achievement.

Hard to reconcile this with the actual data that shows Blair has significantly better college admissions than other MCPS schools.

Where can this data be found?

Look at the link posted earlier in this thread for RMIB, or google the college edition of Bethesda Beat.

Here is the list from Bethesda magazine - I just was looking at it and it starts on page 68. It's hard to glean exactly hat is happening though because they don't separate the magnets from the rest of the school. And Blair is the biggest high school in MD so many of the applied and or accepted could be non-magnet kids. I wish they had a nice lost like the RMIB program does.

https://issuu.com/bethesdamagazine/docs/1sept-oct_22_digital_edition

Also Blair and RMIB are very diverse schools, and home school kids can take magnet classes. So a highperforming URM who appeals to top schools might not necessarily be in the magnet programs, which are ~90% Asian.

I dont know about RMIB, Blair Smac is about 50-60% Asian. Never 90%. I had two kids went through the magnet.

At the admitted students night this year for incoming 9th grade, the attendees were more than 80 percent Asian. Perhaps it will shake out differently with acceptances but it seems likely to be higher than 50-60%.

Maybe more Asian families showed up that night. That's not something Asian families would miss.

It’s not something any families would miss if they are intending to attend or seriously considering it. Why would you think Asian families care more???

There is definitely some selection bias in who goes to the admitted student nights. My kids went to two magnets, and I did go to the admitted student nights, but I knew plenty of parents that sent their kids there that did not attend the admitted student night, because they or their kids had already made up their mind, or because they were busy or whatever. I can't speak to whether Asian parents would be more likely to go, but I disagree with your premise that anyone seriously considering it would go.

At the admitted student night for Blair there were folders for each admitted child. Only a handful remained at the end of the evening. The suggestion that only Asian parents care enough to go to the admitted students night is insulting and racist.

Good lord. Good for you. Want a cookie?