Jessa Duggar had an abortion

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

Damn. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, and I’m pretty sure if I said that at church it would’ve been considered blasphemous, thinking you could do a better job than God. No wonder you think you should control women, you think you know better than God so of course you know better than all the baby mamas. That post really cleared things up for me.

And this is why we can never win with logic against people like this. There is none, and they simultaneously want to use god to control other people and criticize god for not doing a good enough job.

What are you talking about? I don't know better than God. If God chooses to give these beings souls at the quickening and not before, it's not up to me to second guess His will.

Why would a doctor intervene? If your god wanted Jessa to survive this, certainly he would have expelled the fetus. Otherwise, his will is clearly for her to die along with her unborn child.

God gave us the intellect to create medical techniques to extract the soulless fetus from a woman in need.

Why do you refuse to answer what Christian denomination you are a member of?

I'm not sure anyone asked. But "denominations" are heresy. Christianity is Christianity. Those who don't follow the true faith might call themselves a variety of names, but they aren't truly one with Christ.

You seem to have very customized beliefs, goody, but they are yours alone. If you won’t share your denomination, you are hiding something. People who can’t be honest when asked and hide things (especially in a debate in which they are supporting opinions/public policy/ legislation) can’t be trusted.

The larger conversation is about whether legislators should pass laws prohibiting abortion, particularly during the first trimester. What's the point of your question in that context? Does your answer to whether abortion is right or wrong depend on whether one denomination says that the soul pops into existence immediately versus another denomination pops into existence at 20 weeks or the quickening or what have you? That would be a crazy basis for lawmaking. What would you use as the tie-breaker? Maybe go with the one that had the larger churches because they're holier?

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

Starting about 2-3 pages ago, a pp started claiming to be a Christian and claiming his/her church taught that inside women soulless creatures existed. They said it was ok to remove soulless creatures because God didn’t give these creatures souls. There are multiple posts claiming this, how did you miss them?

Sounds like a loon but thankfully other peoples crazy religious ideas have no impact on me or policy.

Whoops

Hahah. Next thing you know, people would be talking about literally eating the flesh of a 2,000 year old middle-eastern dude or drinking his blood. Batshit.

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

Damn. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, and I’m pretty sure if I said that at church it would’ve been considered blasphemous, thinking you could do a better job than God. No wonder you think you should control women, you think you know better than God so of course you know better than all the baby mamas. That post really cleared things up for me.

And this is why we can never win with logic against people like this. There is none, and they simultaneously want to use god to control other people and criticize god for not doing a good enough job.

What are you talking about? I don't know better than God. If God chooses to give these beings souls at the quickening and not before, it's not up to me to second guess His will.

Why would a doctor intervene? If your god wanted Jessa to survive this, certainly he would have expelled the fetus. Otherwise, his will is clearly for her to die along with her unborn child.

God gave us the intellect to create medical techniques to extract the soulless fetus from a woman in need.

Why do you refuse to answer what Christian denomination you are a member of?

I'm not sure anyone asked. But "denominations" are heresy. Christianity is Christianity. Those who don't follow the true faith might call themselves a variety of names, but they aren't truly one with Christ.

You seem to have very customized beliefs, goody, but they are yours alone. If you won’t share your denomination, you are hiding something. People who can’t be honest when asked and hide things (especially in a debate in which they are supporting opinions/public policy/ legislation) can’t be trusted.

Before you waste too much time hounding pp for their denomination, please remember the Duggars’ own peculiar ways of living their faith. They’re not mainstream either.

The Duggars are heretics.

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

Damn. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, and I’m pretty sure if I said that at church it would’ve been considered blasphemous, thinking you could do a better job than God. No wonder you think you should control women, you think you know better than God so of course you know better than all the baby mamas. That post really cleared things up for me.

And this is why we can never win with logic against people like this. There is none, and they simultaneously want to use god to control other people and criticize god for not doing a good enough job.

What are you talking about? I don't know better than God. If God chooses to give these beings souls at the quickening and not before, it's not up to me to second guess His will.

Why would a doctor intervene? If your god wanted Jessa to survive this, certainly he would have expelled the fetus. Otherwise, his will is clearly for her to die along with her unborn child.

God gave us the intellect to create medical techniques to extract the soulless fetus from a woman in need.

Why do you refuse to answer what Christian denomination you are a member of?

I'm not sure anyone asked. But "denominations" are heresy. Christianity is Christianity. Those who don't follow the true faith might call themselves a variety of names, but they aren't truly one with Christ.

You seem to have very customized beliefs, goody, but they are yours alone. If you won’t share your denomination, you are hiding something. People who can’t be honest when asked and hide things (especially in a debate in which they are supporting opinions/public policy/ legislation) can’t be trusted.

Before you waste too much time hounding pp for their denomination, please remember the Duggars’ own peculiar ways of living their faith. They’re not mainstream either.

Pp has posted their opinion multiple times, claimed very loudly and loftily they are absolutely correct, everyone else is wrong, and it’s not right to ask where the opinion comes from?

They are hounding us, and refuse to give any information about where their beliefs come from. I know where the Duggar family gets their beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

Starting about 2-3 pages ago, a pp started claiming to be a Christian and claiming his/her church taught that inside women soulless creatures existed. They said it was ok to remove soulless creatures because God didn’t give these creatures souls. There are multiple posts claiming this, how did you miss them?

Sounds like a loon but thankfully other peoples crazy religious ideas have no impact on me or policy.

Whoops

Hahah. Next thing you know, people would be talking about literally eating the flesh of a 2,000 year old middle-eastern dude or drinking his blood. Batshit.

Yet Aristotle and his animal/vegetable/ human theories are great thinking and sound medical science, we should respect quickening, disregard ultrasounds. Double batshit.

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

Damn. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, and I’m pretty sure if I said that at church it would’ve been considered blasphemous, thinking you could do a better job than God. No wonder you think you should control women, you think you know better than God so of course you know better than all the baby mamas. That post really cleared things up for me.

And this is why we can never win with logic against people like this. There is none, and they simultaneously want to use god to control other people and criticize god for not doing a good enough job.

What are you talking about? I don't know better than God. If God chooses to give these beings souls at the quickening and not before, it's not up to me to second guess His will.

Why would a doctor intervene? If your god wanted Jessa to survive this, certainly he would have expelled the fetus. Otherwise, his will is clearly for her to die along with her unborn child.

God gave us the intellect to create medical techniques to extract the soulless fetus from a woman in need.

Why do you refuse to answer what Christian denomination you are a member of?

I'm not sure anyone asked. But "denominations" are heresy. Christianity is Christianity. Those who don't follow the true faith might call themselves a variety of names, but they aren't truly one with Christ.

You seem to have very customized beliefs, goody, but they are yours alone. If you won’t share your denomination, you are hiding something. People who can’t be honest when asked and hide things (especially in a debate in which they are supporting opinions/public policy/ legislation) can’t be trusted.

Before you waste too much time hounding pp for their denomination, please remember the Duggars’ own peculiar ways of living their faith. They’re not mainstream either.

The Duggars are heretics.

Are you Muslim?

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

Damn. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, and I’m pretty sure if I said that at church it would’ve been considered blasphemous, thinking you could do a better job than God. No wonder you think you should control women, you think you know better than God so of course you know better than all the baby mamas. That post really cleared things up for me.

And this is why we can never win with logic against people like this. There is none, and they simultaneously want to use god to control other people and criticize god for not doing a good enough job.

What are you talking about? I don't know better than God. If God chooses to give these beings souls at the quickening and not before, it's not up to me to second guess His will.

Why would a doctor intervene? If your god wanted Jessa to survive this, certainly he would have expelled the fetus. Otherwise, his will is clearly for her to die along with her unborn child.

God gave us the intellect to create medical techniques to extract the soulless fetus from a woman in need.

Why do you refuse to answer what Christian denomination you are a member of?

I'm not sure anyone asked. But "denominations" are heresy. Christianity is Christianity. Those who don't follow the true faith might call themselves a variety of names, but they aren't truly one with Christ.

You seem to have very customized beliefs, goody, but they are yours alone. If you won’t share your denomination, you are hiding something. People who can’t be honest when asked and hide things (especially in a debate in which they are supporting opinions/public policy/ legislation) can’t be trusted.

Before you waste too much time hounding pp for their denomination, please remember the Duggars’ own peculiar ways of living their faith. They’re not mainstream either.

Pp has posted their opinion multiple times, claimed very loudly and loftily they are absolutely correct, everyone else is wrong, and it’s not right to ask where the opinion comes from?

They are hounding us, and refuse to give any information about where their beliefs come from. I know where the Duggar family gets their beliefs.

If you look back far enough, every religious opinion comes from someone's a**hole. Unless you credit divine revelation. In which case, what makes one person's revelation any better than anyone else's?

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

Starting about 2-3 pages ago, a pp started claiming to be a Christian and claiming his/her church taught that inside women soulless creatures existed. They said it was ok to remove soulless creatures because God didn’t give these creatures souls. There are multiple posts claiming this, how did you miss them?

Sounds like a loon but thankfully other peoples crazy religious ideas have no impact on me or policy.

Whoops

Hahah. Next thing you know, people would be talking about literally eating the flesh of a 2,000 year old middle-eastern dude or drinking his blood. Batshit.

Yet Aristotle and his animal/vegetable/ human theories are great thinking and sound medical science, we should respect quickening, disregard ultrasounds. Double batshit.

Souls don't show up on ultrasounds.

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

Damn. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, and I’m pretty sure if I said that at church it would’ve been considered blasphemous, thinking you could do a better job than God. No wonder you think you should control women, you think you know better than God so of course you know better than all the baby mamas. That post really cleared things up for me.

And this is why we can never win with logic against people like this. There is none, and they simultaneously want to use god to control other people and criticize god for not doing a good enough job.

What are you talking about? I don't know better than God. If God chooses to give these beings souls at the quickening and not before, it's not up to me to second guess His will.

Why would a doctor intervene? If your god wanted Jessa to survive this, certainly he would have expelled the fetus. Otherwise, his will is clearly for her to die along with her unborn child.

God gave us the intellect to create medical techniques to extract the soulless fetus from a woman in need.

Why do you refuse to answer what Christian denomination you are a member of?

I'm not sure anyone asked. But "denominations" are heresy. Christianity is Christianity. Those who don't follow the true faith might call themselves a variety of names, but they aren't truly one with Christ.

You seem to have very customized beliefs, goody, but they are yours alone. If you won’t share your denomination, you are hiding something. People who can’t be honest when asked and hide things (especially in a debate in which they are supporting opinions/public policy/ legislation) can’t be trusted.

Before you waste too much time hounding pp for their denomination, please remember the Duggars’ own peculiar ways of living their faith. They’re not mainstream either.

The Duggars are heretics.

Are you Muslim?

Arian-Lollardist (Reformed)

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

Starting about 2-3 pages ago, a pp started claiming to be a Christian and claiming his/her church taught that inside women soulless creatures existed. They said it was ok to remove soulless creatures because God didn’t give these creatures souls. There are multiple posts claiming this, how did you miss them?

Sounds like a loon but thankfully other peoples crazy religious ideas have no impact on me or policy.

Whoops

Hahah. Next thing you know, people would be talking about literally eating the flesh of a 2,000 year old middle-eastern dude or drinking his blood. Batshit.

Yet Aristotle and his animal/vegetable/ human theories are great thinking and sound medical science, we should respect quickening, disregard ultrasounds. Double batshit.

Souls don't show up on ultrasounds.

Have you published this news?Your double blind, peer reviewed research for this topic is sorely needed! Surely, your findings must be published and make it to news outlets, medical journals, and other doctors! Don’t withhold your discovery one more day, pp!

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

Damn. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, and I’m pretty sure if I said that at church it would’ve been considered blasphemous, thinking you could do a better job than God. No wonder you think you should control women, you think you know better than God so of course you know better than all the baby mamas. That post really cleared things up for me.

And this is why we can never win with logic against people like this. There is none, and they simultaneously want to use god to control other people and criticize god for not doing a good enough job.

What are you talking about? I don't know better than God. If God chooses to give these beings souls at the quickening and not before, it's not up to me to second guess His will.

Why would a doctor intervene? If your god wanted Jessa to survive this, certainly he would have expelled the fetus. Otherwise, his will is clearly for her to die along with her unborn child.

God gave us the intellect to create medical techniques to extract the soulless fetus from a woman in need.

Why do you refuse to answer what Christian denomination you are a member of?

I'm not sure anyone asked. But "denominations" are heresy. Christianity is Christianity. Those who don't follow the true faith might call themselves a variety of names, but they aren't truly one with Christ.

You seem to have very customized beliefs, goody, but they are yours alone. If you won’t share your denomination, you are hiding something. People who can’t be honest when asked and hide things (especially in a debate in which they are supporting opinions/public policy/ legislation) can’t be trusted.

Before you waste too much time hounding pp for their denomination, please remember the Duggars’ own peculiar ways of living their faith. They’re not mainstream either.

Pp has posted their opinion multiple times, claimed very loudly and loftily they are absolutely correct, everyone else is wrong, and it’s not right to ask where the opinion comes from?

They are hounding us, and refuse to give any information about where their beliefs come from. I know where the Duggar family gets their beliefs.

If you look back far enough, every religious opinion comes from someone's a**hole. Unless you credit divine revelation. In which case, what makes one person's revelation any better than anyone else's?

What else comes from someone a**hole? Political thought? Philosophy? Literature?

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We cannot base policy on what one religion believes.

We don't live in a theocracy.

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Anonymous wrote:We cannot base policy on what one religion believes.

We don't live in a theocracy.

But here is the crux of it. Extremist White Christians want a theology. That’s been the power behind the throne of the GOP for the last few years. You think that crazy Leo guy who turned the Supreme Court into a religious tribunal did it for fun? He did it because he, like a lot of Republicans, want a theocracy. You barely even have to scratch the surface of “normal” Republicans’ beliefs because they’ll start foaming at the mouth about “Judeo Christian religion” and how this was founded as a Christian nation.

And that’s what makes Jessa’s hypocritical abortion so much worse. She and her gross family have all worked to establish a theology. She got the abortion that so many other women are being denied. Why? Who let her get that?

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Anonymous wrote: “Judeo Christian religion” and how this was founded as a Christian nation.

"Judeo-Christian" covers so much contradictory theological territory, it's ridiculous. It's just slogan designed to market "controlling people in the way I think they should be controlled."

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Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂

We live in the worst time line.

I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.

Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.

And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.

Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”

The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?

also, why do you call humans “creatures?”

They aren’t creatures, they are humans.

Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.

Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?

God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.

Damn. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, and I’m pretty sure if I said that at church it would’ve been considered blasphemous, thinking you could do a better job than God. No wonder you think you should control women, you think you know better than God so of course you know better than all the baby mamas. That post really cleared things up for me.

And this is why we can never win with logic against people like this. There is none, and they simultaneously want to use god to control other people and criticize god for not doing a good enough job.

What are you talking about? I don't know better than God. If God chooses to give these beings souls at the quickening and not before, it's not up to me to second guess His will.

Why would a doctor intervene? If your god wanted Jessa to survive this, certainly he would have expelled the fetus. Otherwise, his will is clearly for her to die along with her unborn child.

God gave us the intellect to create medical techniques to extract the soulless fetus from a woman in need.

Why do you refuse to answer what Christian denomination you are a member of?

I'm not sure anyone asked. But "denominations" are heresy. Christianity is Christianity. Those who don't follow the true faith might call themselves a variety of names, but they aren't truly one with Christ.

You seem to have very customized beliefs, goody, but they are yours alone. If you won’t share your denomination, you are hiding something. People who can’t be honest when asked and hide things (especially in a debate in which they are supporting opinions/public policy/ legislation) can’t be trusted.

Before you waste too much time hounding pp for their denomination, please remember the Duggars’ own peculiar ways of living their faith. They’re not mainstream either.

Pp has posted their opinion multiple times, claimed very loudly and loftily they are absolutely correct, everyone else is wrong, and it’s not right to ask where the opinion comes from?

They are hounding us, and refuse to give any information about where their beliefs come from. I know where the Duggar family gets their beliefs.

Do you not believe in religious freedom? Can the government overrule people’s actions that are based on their religious beliefs and make them do or not so something contrary to those beliefs? Yes or no. That is the only question here, whether you are a defender of religious liberty for everyone or just for your own kind.