Middle school magnets - criteria-based

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Just got an email from TPMS that my kid is in!! Notification letters are also on ParentVue, which is great because our mail had not arrived.

Kid was in the pool for both lotteries, accepted at TPMS which is his home school.


I think a certain percentage of spots at TPMS are reserved for home school students. I am not sure if it's the same for Eastern.


25 are set aside for those in the TPMS catchment, so there is something of a separate lottery for them (same criteria, different pool). I think the ratio of seats to total MS population ends up being about 3 times greater.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just have to say this. I hate the lottery. I hate a system that keeps my 260+ MAP-M/R scoring, straight A kid out of the MS Magnet program. MCPS sucks.


No, it doesn’t suck. It’s a *public* school system; its goals are to meet the needs of as much of the public as possible. People at either are extreme are usually going to have the most mismatch, with the ones at the lower end suffering the most.

My high-percentile scoring, straight A kid didn’t get in either. Oh well.


A public school system should aim to give kids an education. It should give accelerated / magnet education only to the brightest kids.


A public school system should aim to meet the educational needs of students. Sure, it has to balance providing differential instruction that meets the need against the impact on the "mainstream" population and alternate use of resources. Saying "only the brightest" ignores the fact that many, many students in our county have associated need, and would benefit from being afforded enriched/accelerated instruction.

There is law on the books, and MCPS policy, to require this, but it is vague on the one hand and ignored to a great deal on the other. Law regarding the needs of those needing learning suppots is much more robust, and the system spends far more per pupil addressing their needs, though even this runs up against the balancing of resources/consideration for mainstream impact.


But if you think long-term, bringing extra supports to kids who NEED them has an enormous impact. Better ROI than enriching already smart kids, especially at the middle school level. Inasmuch as the latter adds extra stress, I might argue the value is diminished.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just have to say this. I hate the lottery. I hate a system that keeps my 260+ MAP-M/R scoring, straight A kid out of the MS Magnet program. MCPS sucks.


No, it doesn’t suck. It’s a *public* school system; its goals are to meet the needs of as much of the public as possible. People at either are extreme are usually going to have the most mismatch, with the ones at the lower end suffering the most.

My high-percentile scoring, straight A kid didn’t get in either. Oh well.


A public school system should aim to give kids an education. It should give accelerated / magnet education only to the brightest kids.


A public school system should aim to meet the educational needs of students. Sure, it has to balance providing differential instruction that meets the need against the impact on the "mainstream" population and alternate use of resources. Saying "only the brightest" ignores the fact that many, many students in our county have associated need, and would benefit from being afforded enriched/accelerated instruction.

There is law on the books, and MCPS policy, to require this, but it is vague on the one hand and ignored to a great deal on the other. Law regarding the needs of those needing learning supports is much more robust, and the system spends far more per pupil addressing their needs, though even this runs up against the balancing of resources/consideration for mainstream impact.


But if you think long-term, bringing extra supports to kids who NEED them has an enormous impact. Better ROI than enriching already smart kids, especially at the middle school level. Inasmuch as the latter adds extra stress, I might argue the value is diminished.


As a society, we need many more to be highly-fluent in Math, both better to ensure personal capability and better to provide a workforce that can handle modern challenges. That's going to require interested students, and enrichment/acceleration prior to High School is essential to maintaining that interest.

While the impact of supporting measures for those needing them also is high, and perhaps even higher, I would argue that the cost to provide those supports is, itself, disproportionately higher, especially on a per-pupil basis, than affording differentiated instruction to those demonstrating greater ability. The answer should be to ensure both to the degree that the system can do so without greatly impairing the addressing of "mainstream" educational need. There is a limit to the overall benefit achieved from robbing Peter to pay Paul, and the follow-up is to ensure that there is more allotted to pay each.

And that raises the issue of different "mainstreams" across schools. It is clear from many DCUM discussions that some schools' mainstream/default is acceleration. That becomes a huge equity issue if schools where that is not the case (typically low-SES) are not differentially funded to allow for the greater variation within their cohort. If we had town-based school districts in this state, that might not not be feasible (even if societally just); however, in Maryland, school districts are county-based, and the onus is on the county's school system to provide equitable educational services to all.

Of course, one could reduce that to a one-size-fits-all approach, with no differentiation, whether support or enrichment. Casting aside the clear deficits that would present to our community, it would ignore, again, the need-oriented law and policy that mandate both.

That said, enrichment/acceleration should be about the pull of addressing need (and properly identifying it in the first place), not a demanding and resisted push, whether by the school or by families. There certainly are those that create stress via the latter, but there are a very large number who make up the former, with effect felt especially prior to High School.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just have to say this. I hate the lottery. I hate a system that keeps my 260+ MAP-M/R scoring, straight A kid out of the MS Magnet program. MCPS sucks.


No, it doesn’t suck. It’s a *public* school system; its goals are to meet the needs of as much of the public as possible. People at either are extreme are usually going to have the most mismatch, with the ones at the lower end suffering the most.

My high-percentile scoring, straight A kid didn’t get in either. Oh well.


A public school system should aim to give kids an education. It should give accelerated / magnet education only to the brightest kids.


A public school system should aim to meet the educational needs of students. Sure, it has to balance providing differential instruction that meets the need against the impact on the "mainstream" population and alternate use of resources. Saying "only the brightest" ignores the fact that many, many students in our county have associated need, and would benefit from being afforded enriched/accelerated instruction.

There is law on the books, and MCPS policy, to require this, but it is vague on the one hand and ignored to a great deal on the other. Law regarding the needs of those needing learning suppots is much more robust, and the system spends far more per pupil addressing their needs, though even this runs up against the balancing of resources/consideration for mainstream impact.


Correct. And what many fail to realize is that MCPS not only try’s to meet the needs but also the wants of a variety of students a la all these Special and Choice programs. Those are not required but nice to haves.


Most of the choice and special programs are not that great. We left the one we went to. It was not good at all.
Anonymous
DC accepted to Takoma Park. Fall MAP-M 235
Anonymous
DC in the pool, but not offered a spot, for math/science with Fall MAP-M 236. We are in the lowest-FARMS school category.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:DC accepted to Takoma Park. Fall MAP-M 235


Congrats! My DC is in 8th grade at TPMS and has loved the experience
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just have to say this. I hate the lottery. I hate a system that keeps my 260+ MAP-M/R scoring, straight A kid out of the MS Magnet program. MCPS sucks.


Advocate for higher taxes to fund enough magnet seats or reasonably similar local programs to meet the need of anyone who would benefit. No need for a lottery, then.


What makes a more rigorous curriculum more expensive?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just have to say this. I hate the lottery. I hate a system that keeps my 260+ MAP-M/R scoring, straight A kid out of the MS Magnet program. MCPS sucks.


Advocate for higher taxes to fund enough magnet seats or reasonably similar local programs to meet the need of anyone who would benefit. No need for a lottery, then.


What makes a more rigorous curriculum more expensive?


Paying for two curricula, if a second were required to allow for adequate need-based differentiation at local schools, would be a start. I think the magnets create their own, and it may not be feasible to port that over to local programs. This might be for a variety of reasons, but coming to mind is staffing, which may not be flexible enough to account for the variability seen year-to-year for local school populations in need. That, itself, along with the greatly increased population since magnets were introduced, suggests more magnets would be a large part of any solution.

Staffing, then, and associated training, would be it's own cost. There isn't enough in the budget, now, to cover proper teacher training for GT, along with a lot of other trainings that MCPS essentially hopes teachers will take on their own time. Teachers capable of providing the more rigorous instruction may require higher salaries to attract and keep. There would also be a need to augment central staffing to support a larger program; again, there isn't enough, now, to provide adequate support/oversight for the existing implementations.

There might be capital costs to allocate enough classroom space. Divided local programming almost certainly means less optimal use of space vs. one-size-fits-all.

I'm sure there are other costs not listed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just have to say this. I hate the lottery. I hate a system that keeps my 260+ MAP-M/R scoring, straight A kid out of the MS Magnet program. MCPS sucks.


Advocate for higher taxes to fund enough magnet seats or reasonably similar local programs to meet the need of anyone who would benefit. No need for a lottery, then.


What makes a more rigorous curriculum more expensive?


Paying for two curricula, if a second were required to allow for adequate need-based differentiation at local schools, would be a start. I think the magnets create their own, and it may not be feasible to port that over to local programs. This might be for a variety of reasons, but coming to mind is staffing, which may not be flexible enough to account for the variability seen year-to-year for local school populations in need. That, itself, along with the greatly increased population since magnets were introduced, suggests more magnets would be a large part of any solution.

Staffing, then, and associated training, would be it's own cost. There isn't enough in the budget, now, to cover proper teacher training for GT, along with a lot of other trainings that MCPS essentially hopes teachers will take on their own time. Teachers capable of providing the more rigorous instruction may require higher salaries to attract and keep. There would also be a need to augment central staffing to support a larger program; again, there isn't enough, now, to provide adequate support/oversight for the existing implementations.

There might be capital costs to allocate enough classroom space. Divided local programming almost certainly means less optimal use of space vs. one-size-fits-all.

I'm sure there are other costs not listed.


Fortunately, the curriculum already exists and there are plenty of qualified teachers. The only real cost is busing.
Anonymous
DC in lottery but not offered seat at TPMS. Fall MAP-M was 264, straight As. Moderate to High FARMS school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:DC in lottery but not offered seat at TPMS. Fall MAP-M was 264, straight As. Moderate to High FARMS school.


Sorry to hear that. I know it probably seems unfair, but it is just a lottery of the upper 15% for what amounts to a few hundred seats.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DC in lottery but not offered seat at TPMS. Fall MAP-M was 264, straight As. Moderate to High FARMS school.


Sorry to hear that. I know it probably seems unfair, but it is just a lottery of the upper 15% for what amounts to a few hundred seats.


Same here. 270 Map M got nothing
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just have to say this. I hate the lottery. I hate a system that keeps my 260+ MAP-M/R scoring, straight A kid out of the MS Magnet program. MCPS sucks.


No, it doesn’t suck. It’s a *public* school system; its goals are to meet the needs of as much of the public as possible. People at either are extreme are usually going to have the most mismatch, with the ones at the lower end suffering the most.

My high-percentile scoring, straight A kid didn’t get in either. Oh well.


A public school system should aim to give kids an education. It should give accelerated / magnet education only to the brightest kids.


A public school system should aim to meet the educational needs of students. Sure, it has to balance providing differential instruction that meets the need against the impact on the "mainstream" population and alternate use of resources. Saying "only the brightest" ignores the fact that many, many students in our county have associated need, and would benefit from being afforded enriched/accelerated instruction.

There is law on the books, and MCPS policy, to require this, but it is vague on the one hand and ignored to a great deal on the other. Law regarding the needs of those needing learning suppots is much more robust, and the system spends far more per pupil addressing their needs, though even this runs up against the balancing of resources/consideration for mainstream impact.


Correct. And what many fail to realize is that MCPS not only try’s to meet the needs but also the wants of a variety of students a la all these Special and Choice programs. Those are not required but nice to haves.


Most of the choice and special programs are not that great. We left the one we went to. It was not good at all.


We felt the opposite. One of my kids was in CES and the other at the MS STEM magent. We felt they were both amazing and vastly better than the alternative.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just have to say this. I hate the lottery. I hate a system that keeps my 260+ MAP-M/R scoring, straight A kid out of the MS Magnet program. MCPS sucks.


Advocate for higher taxes to fund enough magnet seats or reasonably similar local programs to meet the need of anyone who would benefit. No need for a lottery, then.


What makes a more rigorous curriculum more expensive?


Paying for two curricula, if a second were required to allow for adequate need-based differentiation at local schools, would be a start. I think the magnets create their own, and it may not be feasible to port that over to local programs. This might be for a variety of reasons, but coming to mind is staffing, which may not be flexible enough to account for the variability seen year-to-year for local school populations in need. That, itself, along with the greatly increased population since magnets were introduced, suggests more magnets would be a large part of any solution.

Staffing, then, and associated training, would be it's own cost. There isn't enough in the budget, now, to cover proper teacher training for GT, along with a lot of other trainings that MCPS essentially hopes teachers will take on their own time. Teachers capable of providing the more rigorous instruction may require higher salaries to attract and keep. There would also be a need to augment central staffing to support a larger program; again, there isn't enough, now, to provide adequate support/oversight for the existing implementations.

There might be capital costs to allocate enough classroom space. Divided local programming almost certainly means less optimal use of space vs. one-size-fits-all.

I'm sure there are other costs not listed.


Fortunately, the curriculum already exists and there are plenty of qualified teachers. The only real cost is busing.


Ha! And self-actualization stands completely on its own, requiring not a drop of sustenance from others, AMIRITE?
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