New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

[Anonymous]

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Where are the crossings without traffic signals?

On Old Georgetown Road specifically, or generally? Generally, they're all over the county. You should start noticing them as you drive by. People who ride the bus know where they are. On Old Georgetown Road specifically, at Sedgewick, Roseland, Bells Mill, Kingswood (where the nanny was killed), Spruce Tree, Alta Vista, Glenwood, Maple Ridge, N. Brook, Glenbrook, and now we're in downtown Bethesda. And that doesn't even include the bus stops where you have to backtrack to cross at a signal, speaking of inconvenience and delay.

There will also be bus stops for Woodward, but there might be a traffic signal there, too.

Are you kidding me? None of the actual intersections mentioned are in the are where they have installed the bike lanes. Second, for the couple streets mentioned in the area where they have installed the bike lanes they are not intersections. Thanks for playing.

That's just factually incorrect, and you're shifting the goal posts, too. The fact is that the bike lanes will also make the road safer for pedestrians and bus riders. In fact, they will even make the road safer for you, as you drive.

Look you’re an imposter. I know it and you know it. Stop lying and go find something else to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nope.

Build them all you want—cause even more and more traffic for people who have to go to work for a living in a timely manner.

People who want to get to work and not be a sweaty stinky mess (because let’s face it you are when you show up at the office, so gross!). People who use old Georgetown Road to get from their neighborhood to either 270 or 495 to go to their jobs. Why don’t they live next-door to their jobs? Good question. Jobs move. People change jobs. People have a spouse who works at a job in a different direction. Also, When you don’t have a SAHM in your household, going to and from work often involves taking and picking up a child at daycare or preschool or after school. Taking or picking up dry cleaning. Oh and yes groceries. Grabbing some thing at CVS. Maybe you don’t need a car to take care of all of these things, but obviously there is more than a few of us who do. Get off your high horse!

DP... That's a lifestyle you've chosen for yourself. I live in DC, and neither I nor my spouse have to take the car to work, nor is a car needed to get our child to school. CVS is walking distance, so is the grocery store, as are many restaurants and amenities. We only take the car out once or twice a week, for outings, or to pick up larger items, like doing a Costco run.

DC isn't the cause of your commute headaches, you yourself are the cause of your commute headaches, along with the several hundred thousand others who live that chosen lifestyle of having a commute between DC and the VA/MD suburbs. And, many of those suburbs likewise have you conditioned to car dependency because they did things like concentrate all of the residential development as subdivisions, et cetera - where the nearest commercially zoned place for the CVS is a strip mall miles away - and likely built without sidewalks so even if you wanted to walk, you couldn't. You then have to rely on your car for every single thing. It's a bad model.

Why do you feel the need to criticize my lifestyle as though yours is better? It has been explained about a hundred times why people actually NEED to travel by car so I'm not going to list all the reasons again and you probably don't care anyway. Do you think cars are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. And the best part of your post is that YOU actually need to use a car for certain things out of necessity. Get off your high horse.

NOPE.

Stop blaming everyone else. I WILL criticize you because YOU CAME HERE to WHINE and COMPLAIN about traffic and your commute.

Traffic and commute that YOU imposed on YOURSELF. And no, I don't care what your rationalized "excuse" is for why you think you need to be dependent on your car for every little thing because again, you CHOSE it. Why should I have sympathy for you over something YOU CHOSE?

Do I think traffic will suddenly go away? No, of course not. A lot of bad decisions have to be fixed going all the way back to the mindsets of employers and office managers who are too dumb to gauge work and productivity other than physically seeing asses in seats, and public officials, builders and planners who allow things like strip malls and big dumb cookie cutter subdivisions, and the mindsets of all of the people like you who continue to empower them and fund them with your taxes and other dollars. The bottom line is that this way of doing things IS NOT SUSTAINABLE - not just here in the DMV but in every other city, suburb and exurb in America. Don't tell me to "get off my high horse" because I'm not the broken part that needs fixed.

You are a child in a wonderful fantasy world but alas I am an adult who exists in the current reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you feel the need to criticize my lifestyle as though yours is better? It has been explained about a hundred times why people actually NEED to travel by car so I'm not going to llst all the reasons again and you probably don't care anyway. Do you think cars are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. And the best part of your post is that YOU actually need to use a car for certain things out of necessity. Get off your high horse.

DP. Likewise, people actually NEED to travel by bus, by walking, by wheelchair, by bicycle. Do you think bus riders, pedestrians, people who use wheelchairs, bicyclists are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. Especially others who are not sitting comfortably in their personal protected climate-controlled entertainment system on wheels.

You do realize that pedestrians, people who use wheelchairs and cyclists also drive cars don't you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Where are the crossings without traffic signals?

On Old Georgetown Road specifically, or generally? Generally, they're all over the county. You should start noticing them as you drive by. People who ride the bus know where they are. On Old Georgetown Road specifically, at Sedgewick, Roseland, Bells Mill, Kingswood (where the nanny was killed), Spruce Tree, Alta Vista, Glenwood, Maple Ridge, N. Brook, Glenbrook, and now we're in downtown Bethesda. And that doesn't even include the bus stops where you have to backtrack to cross at a signal, speaking of inconvenience and delay.

There will also be bus stops for Woodward, but there might be a traffic signal there, too.

Are you kidding me? None of the actual intersections mentioned are in the are where they have installed the bike lanes. Second, for the couple streets mentioned in the area where they have installed the bike lanes they are not intersections. Thanks for playing.

That's just factually incorrect, and you're shifting the goal posts, too. The fact is that the bike lanes will also make the road safer for pedestrians and bus riders. In fact, they will even make the road safer for you, as you drive.

Also some of the nutty cyclists have complained here that they don't like the current bike lanes and won't use them. They feel safer in mixed traffic. You can't make this stuff up.

[Anonymous]

PPS take a look at the discussion on NextDoor regarding the current situation-the majority of people who live and commute on OG are not happy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PPS take a look at the discussion on NextDoor regarding the current situation-the majority of people who live and commute on OG are not happy.

By "commute", you mean "drive". Not that anybody should consider the discussion on NextDoor to be representative of anything except the opinions of people who post on NextDoor.

I drive on Old Georgetown Road, and yes, it's slower, but I don't have a problem with that. Slower and not deadly is better than faster and deadly. I don't think a few minutes of my time is worth more than somebody else's whole life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PPS take a look at the discussion on NextDoor regarding the current situation-the majority of people who live and commute on OG are not happy.

By "commute", you mean "drive". Not that anybody should consider the discussion on NextDoor to be representative of anything except the opinions of people who post on NextDoor.

I drive on Old Georgetown Road, and yes, it's slower, but I don't have a problem with that. Slower and not deadly is better than faster and deadly. I don't think a few minutes of my time is worth more than somebody else's whole life.

I agree that every traffic death is tragic, but there are limits to this argument. Why not reduce the speed on all roads, including highways, to 25 mph? Or 10 mph? Probably we could reduce traffic deaths countywide to near zero with a camera-enforced 10 mph speed limit on every road. It's just some more minutes of everyone's time, and we'd be saving lives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PPS take a look at the discussion on NextDoor regarding the current situation-the majority of people who live and commute on OG are not happy.

By "commute", you mean "drive". Not that anybody should consider the discussion on NextDoor to be representative of anything except the opinions of people who post on NextDoor.

I drive on Old Georgetown Road, and yes, it's slower, but I don't have a problem with that. Slower and not deadly is better than faster and deadly. I don't think a few minutes of my time is worth more than somebody else's whole life.

Thousands of people's daily lives are being disrupted by this poorly thought out solution and believe me as a driver I am very concerned about the safety of all of those around me. I can take all the personal responsibilities that come with driving a motor vehicle. What I cannot control is the erratic behavior of others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PPS take a look at the discussion on NextDoor regarding the current situation-the majority of people who live and commute on OG are not happy.

By "commute", you mean "drive". Not that anybody should consider the discussion on NextDoor to be representative of anything except the opinions of people who post on NextDoor.

I drive on Old Georgetown Road, and yes, it's slower, but I don't have a problem with that. Slower and not deadly is better than faster and deadly. I don't think a few minutes of my time is worth more than somebody else's whole life.

I agree that every traffic death is tragic, but there are limits to this argument. Why not reduce the speed on all roads, including highways, to 25 mph? Or 10 mph? Probably we could reduce traffic deaths countywide to near zero with a camera-enforced 10 mph speed limit on every road. It's just some more minutes of everyone's time, and we'd be saving lives.

That's a good question. Why don't we? Add up medical care, lost wages, police response, emergency response, private property damage, public property damage, insurance, environmental damage (air quality, water quality) - the economic benefits would surely add up.

In the meantime, though, three people were killed on Old Georgetown Road between December 2018 and June 2022. How much inconvenience are you willing to experience to prevent a fourth death?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PPS take a look at the discussion on NextDoor regarding the current situation-the majority of people who live and commute on OG are not happy.

By "commute", you mean "drive". Not that anybody should consider the discussion on NextDoor to be representative of anything except the opinions of people who post on NextDoor.

I drive on Old Georgetown Road, and yes, it's slower, but I don't have a problem with that. Slower and not deadly is better than faster and deadly. I don't think a few minutes of my time is worth more than somebody else's whole life.

Thousands of people's daily lives are being disrupted by this poorly thought out solution and believe me as a driver I am very concerned about the safety of all of those around me. I can take all the personal responsibilities that come with driving a motor vehicle. What I cannot control is the erratic behavior of others.

Disrupted how? And is the disruption to their daily lives greater than the disruption to the lives of the family members of the people who were killed on that road?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PPS take a look at the discussion on NextDoor regarding the current situation-the majority of people who live and commute on OG are not happy.

By "commute", you mean "drive". Not that anybody should consider the discussion on NextDoor to be representative of anything except the opinions of people who post on NextDoor.

I drive on Old Georgetown Road, and yes, it's slower, but I don't have a problem with that. Slower and not deadly is better than faster and deadly. I don't think a few minutes of my time is worth more than somebody else's whole life.

Thousands of people's daily lives are being disrupted by this poorly thought out solution and believe me as a driver I am very concerned about the safety of all of those around me. I can take all the personal responsibilities that come with driving a motor vehicle. What I cannot control is the erratic behavior of others.

Disrupted how? And is the disruption to their daily lives greater than the disruption to the lives of the family members of the people who were killed on that road?

Clearly the massive disruption of a 5 to 10 minute longer commute for a few thousand folks outweighs the shortened lifespan of the handful of people who die on this road each year. It's why speed governors exist for decades and yet... 10 mph over the limit is the de facto speed for many a driver.

[Anonymous]

We need another turn lane on this road

[Anonymous]

The state needs to do better on this. Turn lanes to get into 270 and beltway are a problem. Can they route the bikers into a new bike path or something to allow the turn lane? Bike lanes will need stop signs too so the bikes don’t race in front of turning traffic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The state needs to do better on this. Turn lanes to get into 270 and beltway are a problem. Can they route the bikers into a new bike path or something to allow the turn lane? Bike lanes will need stop signs too so the bikes don’t race in front of turning traffic.

People who are turning are supposed to yield to people who are going straight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The state needs to do better on this. Turn lanes to get into 270 and beltway are a problem. Can they route the bikers into a new bike path or something to allow the turn lane? Bike lanes will need stop signs too so the bikes don’t race in front of turning traffic.

People who are turning are supposed to yield to people who are going straight.

It is hard to see a biker for a driver to see a fast moving small frame biker when they cross the intersection at 15-35 mph. They expect cars will stop for them, but most of them have no big headlight, a reflector of 1-2 in on the back, and no side marker at all.