Antiracist System Audit

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

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Focusing on the race of the author is dumb and useless.

I find this idea of classifying something as white literature as if all white authors are the same kind of racist.

Black literature is categorized as such all the time. You just find it offensive when White literature is marked as such, because you think of Whiteness as the standard and everything else as different/other.

Not the PP but I find both offensive since they encourage judging people based solely on their race instead of ideas.

Color blindness is not antiracist. People know when they are reading a White author's book just like they know they are watching a White writer's movie. They just don't label it as such. Do you really read James Baldwin and think race doesn't matter, that his race doesn't matter? No you pay yourself on the back for reading a Black book. Let's stop pretending we are colorblind when the only color we are "blind" to is White.

As long as people are so focused on just race, racism will persist.

No, racism persists because the impacts of explicit discrimination from the past (slavery, redlining, etc) affect people,'s wealth today dramatically, and because people today treat Black people worse than White people in almost every sector (health, education, the job market) in ways that are well documented if you bother to educate yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

THIS

Focusing on the race of the author is dumb and useless.

I find this idea of classifying something as white literature as if all white authors are the same kind of racist.

Black literature is categorized as such all the time. You just find it offensive when White literature is marked as such, because you think of Whiteness as the standard and everything else as different/other.

Brer Rabbit folklore stories are fantastic. But the Blm activists want that canceled. And it was.

No child, Song of the South was cancelled and very deservedly so.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

THIS

Focusing on the race of the author is dumb and useless.

I find this idea of classifying something as white literature as if all white authors are the same kind of racist.

Black literature is categorized as such all the time. You just find it offensive when White literature is marked as such, because you think of Whiteness as the standard and everything else as different/other.

Not the PP but I find both offensive since they encourage judging people based solely on their race instead of ideas.

Color blindness is not antiracist. People know when they are reading a White author's book just like they know they are watching a White writer's movie. They just don't label it as such. Do you really read James Baldwin and think race doesn't matter, that his race doesn't matter? No you pay yourself on the back for reading a Black book. Let's stop pretending we are colorblind when the only color we are "blind" to is White.

As long as people are so focused on just race, racism will persist.

No, racism persists because the impacts of explicit discrimination from the past (slavery, redlining, etc) affect people,'s wealth today dramatically, and because people today treat Black people worse than White people in almost every sector (health, education, the job market) in ways that are well documented if you bother to educate yourself.

Great excuses. What excuses do you have for black students under performing?

I'm sure you have a long list!

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

THIS

Focusing on the race of the author is dumb and useless.

I find this idea of classifying something as white literature as if all white authors are the same kind of racist.

Black literature is categorized as such all the time. You just find it offensive when White literature is marked as such, because you think of Whiteness as the standard and everything else as different/other.

Not the PP but I find both offensive since they encourage judging people based solely on their race instead of ideas.

Color blindness is not antiracist. People know when they are reading a White author's book just like they know they are watching a White writer's movie. They just don't label it as such. Do you really read James Baldwin and think race doesn't matter, that his race doesn't matter? No you pay yourself on the back for reading a Black book. Let's stop pretending we are colorblind when the only color we are "blind" to is White.

As long as people are so focused on just race, racism will persist.

No, racism persists because the impacts of explicit discrimination from the past (slavery, redlining, etc) affect people,'s wealth today dramatically, and because people today treat Black people worse than White people in almost every sector (health, education, the job market) in ways that are well documented if you bother to educate yourself.

Exactly and that stems from people who are focused on just race!

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

THIS

Focusing on the race of the author is dumb and useless.

I find this idea of classifying something as white literature as if all white authors are the same kind of racist.

Black literature is categorized as such all the time. You just find it offensive when White literature is marked as such, because you think of Whiteness as the standard and everything else as different/other.

Not the PP but I find both offensive since they encourage judging people based solely on their race instead of ideas.

Color blindness is not antiracist. People know when they are reading a White author's book just like they know they are watching a White writer's movie. They just don't label it as such. Do you really read James Baldwin and think race doesn't matter, that his race doesn't matter? No you pay yourself on the back for reading a Black book. Let's stop pretending we are colorblind when the only color we are "blind" to is White.

As long as people are so focused on just race, racism will persist.

No, racism persists because the impacts of explicit discrimination from the past (slavery, redlining, etc) affect people,'s wealth today dramatically, and because people today treat Black people worse than White people in almost every sector (health, education, the job market) in ways that are well documented if you bother to educate yourself.

Racism persists when people justify false stereotypes of others based on race. Racism is not limited to one particular race and diversity is not achievable when only one perspective is taught. All racism is ugly and to degrade others based on past actions of past generations is in itself racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

THIS

Focusing on the race of the author is dumb and useless.

I find this idea of classifying something as white literature as if all white authors are the same kind of racist.

Black literature is categorized as such all the time. You just find it offensive when White literature is marked as such, because you think of Whiteness as the standard and everything else as different/other.

Not the PP but I find both offensive since they encourage judging people based solely on their race instead of ideas.

Color blindness is not antiracist. People know when they are reading a White author's book just like they know they are watching a White writer's movie. They just don't label it as such. Do you really read James Baldwin and think race doesn't matter, that his race doesn't matter? No you pay yourself on the back for reading a Black book. Let's stop pretending we are colorblind when the only color we are "blind" to is White.

As long as people are so focused on just race, racism will persist.

No, racism persists because the impacts of explicit discrimination from the past (slavery, redlining, etc) affect people,'s wealth today dramatically, and because people today treat Black people worse than White people in almost every sector (health, education, the job market) in ways that are well documented if you bother to educate yourself.

Racism persists when people justify false stereotypes of others based on race. Racism is not limited to one particular race and diversity is not achievable when only one perspective is taught. All racism is ugly and to degrade others based on past actions of past generations is in itself racist.

which is fostered by people who seem obsessed with an author's race and nothing else

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

THIS

Focusing on the race of the author is dumb and useless.

I find this idea of classifying something as white literature as if all white authors are the same kind of racist.

Black literature is categorized as such all the time. You just find it offensive when White literature is marked as such, because you think of Whiteness as the standard and everything else as different/other.

Not the PP but I find both offensive since they encourage judging people based solely on their race instead of ideas.

Color blindness is not antiracist. People know when they are reading a White author's book just like they know they are watching a White writer's movie. They just don't label it as such. Do you really read James Baldwin and think race doesn't matter, that his race doesn't matter? No you pay yourself on the back for reading a Black book. Let's stop pretending we are colorblind when the only color we are "blind" to is White.

As long as people are so focused on just race, racism will persist.

No, racism persists because the impacts of explicit discrimination from the past (slavery, redlining, etc) affect people,'s wealth today dramatically, and because people today treat Black people worse than White people in almost every sector (health, education, the job market) in ways that are well documented if you bother to educate yourself.

Racism persists when people justify false stereotypes of others based on race. Racism is not limited to one particular race and diversity is not achievable when only one perspective is taught. All racism is ugly and to degrade others based on past actions of past generations is in itself racist.

Nope, racism is not the same thing as stereotypes.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Hi there, just a refresher. I am a poster who responded to a person who is complaining about the number books written by writers of color in the MCPS curriculum, apparently because Black people only account for 12% of the country's population. So THEY think the curriculum should be based on imaginary population percentages that they made up. I am not concerned about my child's school not incorporating books by writers of color, and never said I was. As many people have said, there are many resources to respond to your last question - do you want me to send you a LMGTFY link?

And I was responding to a poster who said that their child had read NO books by white authors. The 12% is a reminder that it is not equal to 100%. No one is proposing that we count pages, but the current pendulum has swung way too far to incorporate books simply based on their POC authors.

I am sorry, but all of those Hispanics who moved to MCPS in the last 15 years doesn't mean that suddenly we start using a curriculum from Latin America. The foundations of the United States are European and based on the English language, so books from that heritage should be expected to predominate, even after demographic change.

It's funny that none of you would support a bunch of white Americans moving to any other part of the world and demanding a wholesale redesign of educational curricula to accommodate them.

Yeah, I'm looking at the thread of comments above yours and don't see the one you claim to be responding to. And yeah, tbh you sound super racist. The US is the second largest Spanish speaking country in the world so don't come at me with this English only bs

Not the PP, but why aren’t they teaching all students Spanish starting in ES? I think it is shameful that a small subset of students get full or partial immersion and the rest can opt to pay for an after school extra curricular activity. We should be embracing Spanish in MoCo rather than just trying to teach native Spanish speakers English. Then more students could actually read Spanish-language books.

What would you like to remove from the current ES schedule in order to make room for Spanish instruction?

They teach it and French in middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Hi there, just a refresher. I am a poster who responded to a person who is complaining about the number books written by writers of color in the MCPS curriculum, apparently because Black people only account for 12% of the country's population. So THEY think the curriculum should be based on imaginary population percentages that they made up. I am not concerned about my child's school not incorporating books by writers of color, and never said I was. As many people have said, there are many resources to respond to your last question - do you want me to send you a LMGTFY link?

Here's an idea - have kids read a mix of literature from dead to living people and of all races. They can easily read a book every two weeks in middle and high school so they can fit in a huge variety. It was a very different time and world but funny thing these same advocates are not advocating for those enslaved and treated horribly in other countries. Where is the outrage for what is going on in Ukraine?

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Books in ES classrooms are bought by teachers or donated. If you want specific books, donate them. Simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Hi there, just a refresher. I am a poster who responded to a person who is complaining about the number books written by writers of color in the MCPS curriculum, apparently because Black people only account for 12% of the country's population. So THEY think the curriculum should be based on imaginary population percentages that they made up. I am not concerned about my child's school not incorporating books by writers of color, and never said I was. As many people have said, there are many resources to respond to your last question - do you want me to send you a LMGTFY link?

Here's an idea - have kids read a mix of literature from dead to living people and of all races. They can easily read a book every two weeks in middle and high school so they can fit in a huge variety. It was a very different time and world but funny thing these same advocates are not advocating for those enslaved and treated horribly in other countries. Where is the outrage for what is going on in Ukraine?

Um, what? Is this a parody post about whataboutism? You cannot seriously think you will convince anyone that nobody is outraged about Ukraine in MCPS. Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Books in ES classrooms are bought by teachers or donated. If you want specific books, donate them. Simple.

Outside of programs like CES it's not like kids are reading much anyway. Seriously, I pick an assortment of great books for my kids to read at home. They read 4X more here than they do at school. I can't really even rely on MCPS for that and neither should you. They're far more concerned with struggling students who can't read at grade level and don't have time for this.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Books in ES classrooms are bought by teachers or donated. If you want specific books, donate them. Simple.

Outside of programs like CES it's not like kids are reading much anyway. Seriously, I pick an assortment of great books for my kids to read at home. They read 4X more here than they do at school. I can't really even rely on MCPS for that and neither should you. They're far more concerned with struggling students who can't read at grade level and don't have time for this.

This. So many kids who are below grade level. The teachers need to focus on this kids.

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don quixote was written in spanish. people of south america spoke a mixture of indigenous languages before they were brutally colonized by the spaniards and portuguese. shouldn't we be prioritizing teaching ES students quechua or guarani instead of the languages of colonizers?

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

THIS

Focusing on the race of the author is dumb and useless.

I find this idea of classifying something as white literature as if all white authors are the same kind of racist.

Black literature is categorized as such all the time. You just find it offensive when White literature is marked as such, because you think of Whiteness as the standard and everything else as different/other.

Brer Rabbit folklore stories are fantastic. But the Blm activists want that canceled. And it was.

No child, Song of the South was cancelled and very deservedly so.

Brer stories have African origins... Walt Disney did not create them.