Antiracist System Audit

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Hi there, just a refresher. I am a poster who responded to a person who is complaining about the number books written by writers of color in the MCPS curriculum, apparently because Black people only account for 12% of the country's population. So THEY think the curriculum should be based on imaginary population percentages that they made up. I am not concerned about my child's school not incorporating books by writers of color, and never said I was. As many people have said, there are many resources to respond to your last question - do you want me to send you a LMGTFY link?

And I was responding to a poster who said that their child had read NO books by white authors. The 12% is a reminder that it is not equal to 100%. No one is proposing that we count pages, but the current pendulum has swung way too far to incorporate books simply based on their POC authors.

I am sorry, but all of those Hispanics who moved to MCPS in the last 15 years doesn't mean that suddenly we start using a curriculum from Latin America. The foundations of the United States are European and based on the English language, so books from that heritage should be expected to predominate, even after demographic change.

It's funny that none of you would support a bunch of white Americans moving to any other part of the world and demanding a wholesale redesign of educational curricula to accommodate them.

Yeah, I'm looking at the thread of comments above yours and don't see the one you claim to be responding to. And yeah, tbh you sound super racist. The US is the second largest Spanish speaking country in the world so don't come at me with this English only bs

Not the PP, but why aren’t they teaching all students Spanish starting in ES? I think it is shameful that a small subset of students get full or partial immersion and the rest can opt to pay for an after school extra curricular activity. We should be embracing Spanish in MoCo rather than just trying to teach native Spanish speakers English. Then more students could actually read Spanish-language books.

What would you like to remove from the current ES schedule in order to make room for Spanish instruction?

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Hi there, just a refresher. I am a poster who responded to a person who is complaining about the number books written by writers of color in the MCPS curriculum, apparently because Black people only account for 12% of the country's population. So THEY think the curriculum should be based on imaginary population percentages that they made up. I am not concerned about my child's school not incorporating books by writers of color, and never said I was. As many people have said, there are many resources to respond to your last question - do you want me to send you a LMGTFY link?

And I was responding to a poster who said that their child had read NO books by white authors. The 12% is a reminder that it is not equal to 100%. No one is proposing that we count pages, but the current pendulum has swung way too far to incorporate books simply based on their POC authors.

I am sorry, but all of those Hispanics who moved to MCPS in the last 15 years doesn't mean that suddenly we start using a curriculum from Latin America. The foundations of the United States are European and based on the English language, so books from that heritage should be expected to predominate, even after demographic change.

It's funny that none of you would support a bunch of white Americans moving to any other part of the world and demanding a wholesale redesign of educational curricula to accommodate them.

Yeah, I'm looking at the thread of comments above yours and don't see the one you claim to be responding to. And yeah, tbh you sound super racist. The US is the second largest Spanish speaking country in the world so don't come at me with this English only bs

Not the PP, but why aren’t they teaching all students Spanish starting in ES? I think it is shameful that a small subset of students get full or partial immersion and the rest can opt to pay for an after school extra curricular activity. We should be embracing Spanish in MoCo rather than just trying to teach native Spanish speakers English. Then more students could actually read Spanish-language books.

What would you like to remove from the current ES schedule in order to make room for Spanish instruction?

Yes, if they would just start teaching Spanish by eliminating all that unnecessary math and reading.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Hi there, just a refresher. I am a poster who responded to a person who is complaining about the number books written by writers of color in the MCPS curriculum, apparently because Black people only account for 12% of the country's population. So THEY think the curriculum should be based on imaginary population percentages that they made up. I am not concerned about my child's school not incorporating books by writers of color, and never said I was. As many people have said, there are many resources to respond to your last question - do you want me to send you a LMGTFY link?

And I was responding to a poster who said that their child had read NO books by white authors. The 12% is a reminder that it is not equal to 100%. No one is proposing that we count pages, but the current pendulum has swung way too far to incorporate books simply based on their POC authors.

I am sorry, but all of those Hispanics who moved to MCPS in the last 15 years doesn't mean that suddenly we start using a curriculum from Latin America. The foundations of the United States are European and based on the English language, so books from that heritage should be expected to predominate, even after demographic change.

It's funny that none of you would support a bunch of white Americans moving to any other part of the world and demanding a wholesale redesign of educational curricula to accommodate them.

Yeah, I'm looking at the thread of comments above yours and don't see the one you claim to be responding to. And yeah, tbh you sound super racist. The US is the second largest Spanish speaking country in the world so don't come at me with this English only bs

Not the PP, but why aren’t they teaching all students Spanish starting in ES? I think it is shameful that a small subset of students get full or partial immersion and the rest can opt to pay for an after school extra curricular activity. We should be embracing Spanish in MoCo rather than just trying to teach native Spanish speakers English. Then more students could actually read Spanish-language books.

What would you like to remove from the current ES schedule in order to make room for Spanish instruction?

Reading dead white english speaking men

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

+1 it's the 21st century, folks. Jobs have changed; skill sets have changed. We can change what books are considered "must reads" and "classics" in our classrooms.

But, IMO, the audit is kind of a waste of money.

I think we can ALL agree on that.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Hi there, just a refresher. I am a poster who responded to a person who is complaining about the number books written by writers of color in the MCPS curriculum, apparently because Black people only account for 12% of the country's population. So THEY think the curriculum should be based on imaginary population percentages that they made up. I am not concerned about my child's school not incorporating books by writers of color, and never said I was. As many people have said, there are many resources to respond to your last question - do you want me to send you a LMGTFY link?

And I was responding to a poster who said that their child had read NO books by white authors. The 12% is a reminder that it is not equal to 100%. No one is proposing that we count pages, but the current pendulum has swung way too far to incorporate books simply based on their POC authors.

I am sorry, but all of those Hispanics who moved to MCPS in the last 15 years doesn't mean that suddenly we start using a curriculum from Latin America. The foundations of the United States are European and based on the English language, so books from that heritage should be expected to predominate, even after demographic change.

It's funny that none of you would support a bunch of white Americans moving to any other part of the world and demanding a wholesale redesign of educational curricula to accommodate them.

Yeah, I'm looking at the thread of comments above yours and don't see the one you claim to be responding to. And yeah, tbh you sound super racist. The US is the second largest Spanish speaking country in the world so don't come at me with this English only bs

Not the PP, but why aren’t they teaching all students Spanish starting in ES? I think it is shameful that a small subset of students get full or partial immersion and the rest can opt to pay for an after school extra curricular activity. We should be embracing Spanish in MoCo rather than just trying to teach native Spanish speakers English. Then more students could actually read Spanish-language books.

You realize that it’s not just Spanish-speakers who make up the diversity of MCPS?

We are from another country and my kids have grown up speaking three languages. I’m totally fine with MCPS not teaching my ES kids Spanish.

I would be happy if MCPS could teach my kids Math and Science! The ES Science curriculum is pretty much non-existent.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Hi there, just a refresher. I am a poster who responded to a person who is complaining about the number books written by writers of color in the MCPS curriculum, apparently because Black people only account for 12% of the country's population. So THEY think the curriculum should be based on imaginary population percentages that they made up. I am not concerned about my child's school not incorporating books by writers of color, and never said I was. As many people have said, there are many resources to respond to your last question - do you want me to send you a LMGTFY link?

And I was responding to a poster who said that their child had read NO books by white authors. The 12% is a reminder that it is not equal to 100%. No one is proposing that we count pages, but the current pendulum has swung way too far to incorporate books simply based on their POC authors.

I am sorry, but all of those Hispanics who moved to MCPS in the last 15 years doesn't mean that suddenly we start using a curriculum from Latin America. The foundations of the United States are European and based on the English language, so books from that heritage should be expected to predominate, even after demographic change.

It's funny that none of you would support a bunch of white Americans moving to any other part of the world and demanding a wholesale redesign of educational curricula to accommodate them.

Yeah, I'm looking at the thread of comments above yours and don't see the one you claim to be responding to. And yeah, tbh you sound super racist. The US is the second largest Spanish speaking country in the world so don't come at me with this English only bs

Not the PP, but why aren’t they teaching all students Spanish starting in ES? I think it is shameful that a small subset of students get full or partial immersion and the rest can opt to pay for an after school extra curricular activity. We should be embracing Spanish in MoCo rather than just trying to teach native Spanish speakers English. Then more students could actually read Spanish-language books.

You realize that it’s not just Spanish-speakers who make up the diversity of MCPS?

We are from another country and my kids have grown up speaking three languages. I’m totally fine with MCPS not teaching my ES kids Spanish.

I would be happy if MCPS could teach my kids Math and Science! The ES Science curriculum is pretty much non-existent.

Most real science requires math. You can sit them down with a few books and easily get a decent ES science curriculum. We streamed old Mr. Wizard and Bille Nye episodes when our kid was in ES and that was more than they got at school

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Hi there, just a refresher. I am a poster who responded to a person who is complaining about the number books written by writers of color in the MCPS curriculum, apparently because Black people only account for 12% of the country's population. So THEY think the curriculum should be based on imaginary population percentages that they made up. I am not concerned about my child's school not incorporating books by writers of color, and never said I was. As many people have said, there are many resources to respond to your last question - do you want me to send you a LMGTFY link?

And I was responding to a poster who said that their child had read NO books by white authors. The 12% is a reminder that it is not equal to 100%. No one is proposing that we count pages, but the current pendulum has swung way too far to incorporate books simply based on their POC authors.

I am sorry, but all of those Hispanics who moved to MCPS in the last 15 years doesn't mean that suddenly we start using a curriculum from Latin America. The foundations of the United States are European and based on the English language, so books from that heritage should be expected to predominate, even after demographic change.

It's funny that none of you would support a bunch of white Americans moving to any other part of the world and demanding a wholesale redesign of educational curricula to accommodate them.

Yeah, I'm looking at the thread of comments above yours and don't see the one you claim to be responding to. And yeah, tbh you sound super racist. The US is the second largest Spanish speaking country in the world so don't come at me with this English only bs

Not the PP, but why aren’t they teaching all students Spanish starting in ES? I think it is shameful that a small subset of students get full or partial immersion and the rest can opt to pay for an after school extra curricular activity. We should be embracing Spanish in MoCo rather than just trying to teach native Spanish speakers English. Then more students could actually read Spanish-language books.

What would you like to remove from the current ES schedule in order to make room for Spanish instruction?

Typical ignorant American response. Kids pick up language much easier when they are young, it’s a wasted opportunity.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

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Focusing on the race of the author is dumb and useless.

I find this idea of classifying something as white literature as if all white authors are the same kind of racist.

Black literature is categorized as such all the time. You just find it offensive when White literature is marked as such, because you think of Whiteness as the standard and everything else as different/other.

Not the PP but I find both offensive since they encourage judging people based solely on their race instead of ideas.

Color blindness is not antiracist. People know when they are reading a White author's book just like they know they are watching a White writer's movie. They just don't label it as such. Do you really read James Baldwin and think race doesn't matter, that his race doesn't matter? No you pay yourself on the back for reading a Black book. Let's stop pretending we are colorblind when the only color we are "blind" to is White.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

The whole point is a curriculum that is 88% White in a country that is 60% non-Hispanic White and a school system that is 25% White has been selected, whether you realize it or not, because of racism. If you don't think racism should determine which books your child reads, then you should be in favor of a diverse curriculum, not one that upholds White supremacy by asserting that all the "good" books or the ones that make a person "educated" just HAPPEN to be written by White authors.

It’s more complex than that and you know it. Centuries of oppression mean that fewer would-be black authors have been able to get published. Do you think Ezra Jack Keats would have been able to publish his books at that time if he had been black? That doesn’t mean our kids shouldn’t read his books.

But if you are looking for more diverse books to incorporate in your classroom, or your child’s classroom/library, check out suggestions from Here We Read and donate some books.

Hello time traveler. It is now 2022, there are plenty of excellent picture books and other books written by Black writers. Also,I am not sure why you think I am somehow advocating for banning a Snowy Day in our schools. By all means, happy for kids to read it. But it may shock you to realize that there is no reason why curriculums need to be limited to early 20th century White literature.

Of course there are- I’m sorry your school isn’t incorporating them. Teachers at our school have an Amazon wishlist parents can purchase off of and my DD’s teacher last year had a lot of multicultural books on her list. I thought it was great. They’ve brought home all sorts of books from the media center too although I have not really been there myself.

I think I get a bit confused when folks talk about books and the “curriculum.” My kids are only in ES but the actual curriculum seems to consist more of reading benchmark passages than actual literature. So while the teachers all seem to have a collection of picture books in their rooms I don’t get the sense they all have the same ones- they seem to come from various sources. So my at e this is more of a complaint about the books being assigned in MS/HS? I would certainly be open to suggestions for what to supplement with at that age if they aren’t getting diverse voices in school. Do you have any recs?

Hi there, just a refresher. I am a poster who responded to a person who is complaining about the number books written by writers of color in the MCPS curriculum, apparently because Black people only account for 12% of the country's population. So THEY think the curriculum should be based on imaginary population percentages that they made up. I am not concerned about my child's school not incorporating books by writers of color, and never said I was. As many people have said, there are many resources to respond to your last question - do you want me to send you a LMGTFY link?

And I was responding to a poster who said that their child had read NO books by white authors. The 12% is a reminder that it is not equal to 100%. No one is proposing that we count pages, but the current pendulum has swung way too far to incorporate books simply based on their POC authors.

I am sorry, but all of those Hispanics who moved to MCPS in the last 15 years doesn't mean that suddenly we start using a curriculum from Latin America. The foundations of the United States are European and based on the English language, so books from that heritage should be expected to predominate, even after demographic change.

It's funny that none of you would support a bunch of white Americans moving to any other part of the world and demanding a wholesale redesign of educational curricula to accommodate them.

Yeah, I'm looking at the thread of comments above yours and don't see the one you claim to be responding to. And yeah, tbh you sound super racist. The US is the second largest Spanish speaking country in the world so don't come at me with this English only bs

Not the PP, but why aren’t they teaching all students Spanish starting in ES? I think it is shameful that a small subset of students get full or partial immersion and the rest can opt to pay for an after school extra curricular activity. We should be embracing Spanish in MoCo rather than just trying to teach native Spanish speakers English. Then more students could actually read Spanish-language books.

What would you like to remove from the current ES schedule in order to make room for Spanish instruction?

Typical ignorant American response. Kids pick up language much easier when they are young, it’s a wasted opportunity.

Bilingual person here. No, kids do not pick it up easier. It takes a lot of work..what they can do easier than adults is learn to speak the language without an accent. But all the vocabulary and grammar? That's a lot of time spent learning those things. Not that they are bad things to learn, just don't discount the work it takes

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And MCPS Careers currently has 7 Spanish teacher vacancies advertised. In late October.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

I would like my kids to learn about things that made this country successful, but also about areas where it wasn't so successful.

The only people saying this needs to be an either/or decision are the people saying we should excise all white people from the curriculum. No one advocating that kids learn about Thomas Paine and John Locke are saying kids shouldn’t also learn about Frederick Douglass and Ralph Ellison.

This was in reference to a PP's agreeing with "White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum."

Wouldn't it be better if they focused less on an author's race and more on a book's content?

THIS

Focusing on the race of the author is dumb and useless.

I find this idea of classifying something as white literature as if all white authors are the same kind of racist.

Black literature is categorized as such all the time. You just find it offensive when White literature is marked as such, because you think of Whiteness as the standard and everything else as different/other.

Not the PP but I find both offensive since they encourage judging people based solely on their race instead of ideas.

Color blindness is not antiracist. People know when they are reading a White author's book just like they know they are watching a White writer's movie. They just don't label it as such. Do you really read James Baldwin and think race doesn't matter, that his race doesn't matter? No you pay yourself on the back for reading a Black book. Let's stop pretending we are colorblind when the only color we are "blind" to is White.

As long as people are so focused on just race, racism will persist.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Your post implies that we need to introduce more Black and Brown authors simply because the percentage of Black and Brown students in MCPS is larger. That is also ridiculous.

My MS kid read 'The Pact' last year, likely to fulfill some quota of books about/by Black authors. It was trash. Poorly written and crap. I can guarantee you that MCPS is not doing Black and Brown kids any favors by pushing books like this on our kids. The White and Asian parents will still make sure their kids get a good education, whether it's in private school or supplementing outside of school. And, those kids, or the kids in the 'better' clusters are still reading the classics.

Quit the hyperfocus on race, and percentage of racial makeups, and all of this nonsense. Expect excellence, or at least expect competence, from kids of ALL races.

Your post implies books written by White authors are better than those written by POC.

Nope. Not implying or saying that at all.

I want kids to read well-written books. Regardless of the race of the author.

Having kids read crap books just to ensure they are reading ‘diverse’ books doesn’t do them any favors. The kids are just missing out on reading the books that more ‘well-educated’ kids will have read.

I mean you have pretty much said that to be "well-educated" kids need to read books written by White authors. We all know what you are saying. Also you don't think children of color need to read books by authors of color. That's simply not true.

It's interesting that you think only white people can write high quality literature

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Your post implies that we need to introduce more Black and Brown authors simply because the percentage of Black and Brown students in MCPS is larger. That is also ridiculous.

My MS kid read 'The Pact' last year, likely to fulfill some quota of books about/by Black authors. It was trash. Poorly written and crap. I can guarantee you that MCPS is not doing Black and Brown kids any favors by pushing books like this on our kids. The White and Asian parents will still make sure their kids get a good education, whether it's in private school or supplementing outside of school. And, those kids, or the kids in the 'better' clusters are still reading the classics.

Quit the hyperfocus on race, and percentage of racial makeups, and all of this nonsense. Expect excellence, or at least expect competence, from kids of ALL races.

Your post implies books written by White authors are better than those written by POC.

Nope. Not implying or saying that at all.

I want kids to read well-written books. Regardless of the race of the author.

Having kids read crap books just to ensure they are reading ‘diverse’ books doesn’t do them any favors. The kids are just missing out on reading the books that more ‘well-educated’ kids will have read.

I mean you have pretty much said that to be "well-educated" kids need to read books written by White authors. We all know what you are saying. Also you don't think children of color need to read books by authors of color. That's simply not true.

It's interesting that you think only white people can write high quality literature

It's also interesting that your more focused on an author's race than what their words.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Your post implies that we need to introduce more Black and Brown authors simply because the percentage of Black and Brown students in MCPS is larger. That is also ridiculous.

My MS kid read 'The Pact' last year, likely to fulfill some quota of books about/by Black authors. It was trash. Poorly written and crap. I can guarantee you that MCPS is not doing Black and Brown kids any favors by pushing books like this on our kids. The White and Asian parents will still make sure their kids get a good education, whether it's in private school or supplementing outside of school. And, those kids, or the kids in the 'better' clusters are still reading the classics.

Quit the hyperfocus on race, and percentage of racial makeups, and all of this nonsense. Expect excellence, or at least expect competence, from kids of ALL races.

Your post implies books written by White authors are better than those written by POC.

Nope. Not implying or saying that at all.

I want kids to read well-written books. Regardless of the race of the author.

Having kids read crap books just to ensure they are reading ‘diverse’ books doesn’t do them any favors. The kids are just missing out on reading the books that more ‘well-educated’ kids will have read.

I mean you have pretty much said that to be "well-educated" kids need to read books written by White authors. We all know what you are saying. Also you don't think children of color need to read books by authors of color. That's simply not true.

It's interesting that you think only white people can write high quality literature

It's also interesting that your more focused on an author's race than what their words.

It seems like posters on both sides are for racial quotas when it comes to book selection.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw PP, you are trying to argue that books with White authors should account for 88% of the MCPS curriculum in a school system that is 25% White. Do you not see how you are upholding White supremacy?

Yes, I am saying that this country, with its foundations in the Enlightenment and the English language, will by necessity need to teach from that heritage if it expects people to value the things that made it successful.

Agreed.

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