upzoning: what will it really change?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who is Nick?

Anti-bike nutjob.

My name is not Nick, I’m a cyclist and I think it makes more sense to put bike lanes where there is the most population density and where there is the highest deaths due to traffic violence. To argue otherwise seems like whack job type stuff to me.

Again, what’s wrong with Metro train and metro bus that we’ve collectively paid $10 billion for and has an annual operating budget of $2+ billion? You can put your little bike right on the front.

The craziest thing about bike lanes in D.C. is how few people use them. It would be cheaper if the city paid each bicyclist $10,000 to take the bus.

Ummm the 15th Street bike lane gets as many as 3000 bikes per day and it gets that usage without DC even having a network of lanes which would greatly increase the utilization.

And no it would not be cheaper to pay each bicyclist to take the bus (though most bicyclists also use public transit) - the CT Ave bike lanes are a minuscule expense - the entire project is going to cost about 10 million - DC spends $600 million a year on just maintaining its roads

Your first claim makes your s3cond extremely.suspect. regardless $10 million is never a miniscle amount.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

I know this is going to blow your dogmatic little brain, but cars make people's lives better, in almost too many ways to even count. Why else do you think people bother with the expense? And if riding a bike is so great, why do so incredibly few people do it? The city has spent billions building all these bike lanes over many years and still hardly anyone uses them (and studies suggest they only appeal to people in a narrow demographic -- namely, young white men). At some point you have to ask why the government is spending so much money on a form of transportation that hardly anyone wants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

"Comfy individual ride to [a] country club"? Lordy, you live in lala land.

Last I checked, Connecticut is one of the most important north south routes in the entire city and smooth roads are essential for the transportation of goods. How do you think food or your precious iphone gets into the city?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

"Comfy individual ride to [a] country club"? Lordy, you live in lala land.

Last I checked, Connecticut is one of the most important north south routes in the entire city and smooth roads are essential for the transportation of goods. How do you think food or your precious iphone gets into the city?

Not your Range Rover. Get over yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

I know this is going to blow your dogmatic little brain, but cars make people's lives better, in almost too many ways to even count. Why else do you think people bother with the expense? And if riding a bike is so great, why do so incredibly few people do it? The city has spent billions building all these bike lanes over many years and still hardly anyone uses them (and studies suggest they only appeal to people in a narrow demographic -- namely, young white men). At some point you have to ask why the government is spending so much money on a form of transportation that hardly anyone wants.

Because crappy drivers like you threaten our lives if we do bike.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is Nick?

Anti-bike nutjob.

My name is not Nick, I’m a cyclist and I think it makes more sense to put bike lanes where there is the most population density and where there is the highest deaths due to traffic violence. To argue otherwise seems like whack job type stuff to me.

Again, what’s wrong with Metro train and metro bus that we’ve collectively paid $10 billion for and has an annual operating budget of $2+ billion? You can put your little bike right on the front.

The craziest thing about bike lanes in D.C. is how few people use them. It would be cheaper if the city paid each bicyclist $10,000 to take the bus.

Ummm the 15th Street bike lane gets as many as 3000 bikes per day and it gets that usage without DC even having a network of lanes which would greatly increase the utilization.

And no it would not be cheaper to pay each bicyclist to take the bus (though most bicyclists also use public transit) - the CT Ave bike lanes are a minuscule expense - the entire project is going to cost about 10 million - DC spends $600 million a year on just maintaining its roads

1. There aren't 3,000 bicyclists in the entire metropolitan area

2. Look at the DC budget -- the city has spend billions on bike infrastructure (the city wants to hire full time people just to clean bike lanes!)

3. Between gas taxes and DC's insane vehicle fees and income taxes, drivers pay for the roads. Bikers are the freeloaders here.

Wait, drivers are the only ones who have to pay income taxes in DC??! I don't own a car, where can I get my DC income tax refund?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

I know this is going to blow your dogmatic little brain, but cars make people's lives better, in almost too many ways to even count. Why else do you think people bother with the expense? And if riding a bike is so great, why do so incredibly few people do it? The city has spent billions building all these bike lanes over many years and still hardly anyone uses them (and studies suggest they only appeal to people in a narrow demographic -- namely, young white men). At some point you have to ask why the government is spending so much money on a form of transportation that hardly anyone wants.

Because crappy drivers like you threaten our lives if we do bike.

Yup. Absolutely fewer people bike because the infrastructure is poor. Which is why they advocated for better infrastructure in the form of...bike lanes.

Nobody takes the train the Rehobeth, does that mean that nobody would if there was a train that went there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

I know this is going to blow your dogmatic little brain, but cars make people's lives better, in almost too many ways to even count. Why else do you think people bother with the expense? And if riding a bike is so great, why do so incredibly few people do it? The city has spent billions building all these bike lanes over many years and still hardly anyone uses them (and studies suggest they only appeal to people in a narrow demographic -- namely, young white men). At some point you have to ask why the government is spending so much money on a form of transportation that hardly anyone wants.

Because crappy drivers like you threaten our lives if we do bike.

Like boxing and playing football and jumping out of airplanes, riding a bike in a city is very dangerous and most people figure it's not worth the risk. A small number of people, apparently in denial about the risk they run, figure otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

I know this is going to blow your dogmatic little brain, but cars make people's lives better, in almost too many ways to even count. Why else do you think people bother with the expense? And if riding a bike is so great, why do so incredibly few people do it? The city has spent billions building all these bike lanes over many years and still hardly anyone uses them (and studies suggest they only appeal to people in a narrow demographic -- namely, young white men). At some point you have to ask why the government is spending so much money on a form of transportation that hardly anyone wants.

Because crappy drivers like you threaten our lives if we do bike.

Like boxing and playing football and jumping out of airplanes, riding a bike in a city is very dangerous and most people figure it's not worth the risk. A small number of people, apparently in denial about the risk they run, figure otherwise.

Except for cities that make it a point to make it safer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

I know this is going to blow your dogmatic little brain, but cars make people's lives better, in almost too many ways to even count. Why else do you think people bother with the expense? And if riding a bike is so great, why do so incredibly few people do it? The city has spent billions building all these bike lanes over many years and still hardly anyone uses them (and studies suggest they only appeal to people in a narrow demographic -- namely, young white men). At some point you have to ask why the government is spending so much money on a form of transportation that hardly anyone wants.

Because crappy drivers like you threaten our lives if we do bike.

Like boxing and playing football and jumping out of airplanes, riding a bike in a city is very dangerous and most people figure it's not worth the risk. A small number of people, apparently in denial about the risk they run, figure otherwise.

Except for cities that make it a point to make it safer.

There is no city in the entire world where biking is safe. They all have the same stats.

At some point it seems kind of insane to spend billions of dollars to build up a bike infrastructure that's used by 300 white guys who are really into bikes in the same city where one-fifth of children live below the poverty line.

Maybe we could spend a little more on poor black children and a lot less subsidizing the hobbies of dudes from Ward 3?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

I know this is going to blow your dogmatic little brain, but cars make people's lives better, in almost too many ways to even count. Why else do you think people bother with the expense? And if riding a bike is so great, why do so incredibly few people do it? The city has spent billions building all these bike lanes over many years and still hardly anyone uses them (and studies suggest they only appeal to people in a narrow demographic -- namely, young white men). At some point you have to ask why the government is spending so much money on a form of transportation that hardly anyone wants.

Because crappy drivers like you threaten our lives if we do bike.

Like boxing and playing football and jumping out of airplanes, riding a bike in a city is very dangerous and most people figure it's not worth the risk. A small number of people, apparently in denial about the risk they run, figure otherwise.

Except for cities that make it a point to make it safer.

There is no city in the entire world where biking is safe. They all have the same stats.

At some point it seems kind of insane to spend billions of dollars to build up a bike infrastructure that's used by 300 white guys who are really into bikes in the same city where one-fifth of children live below the poverty line.

Maybe we could spend a little more on poor black children and a lot less subsidizing the hobbies of dudes from Ward 3?

You're hilarious. Should do standup or something. Such a joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

I know this is going to blow your dogmatic little brain, but cars make people's lives better, in almost too many ways to even count. Why else do you think people bother with the expense? And if riding a bike is so great, why do so incredibly few people do it? The city has spent billions building all these bike lanes over many years and still hardly anyone uses them (and studies suggest they only appeal to people in a narrow demographic -- namely, young white men). At some point you have to ask why the government is spending so much money on a form of transportation that hardly anyone wants.

Because crappy drivers like you threaten our lives if we do bike.

Yup. Absolutely fewer people bike because the infrastructure is poor. Which is why they advocated for better infrastructure in the form of...bike lanes.

Nobody takes the train the Rehobeth, does that mean that nobody would if there was a train that went there?

This isn't about stupid bike lanes. It's about eliminating two lanes from an essential road that serves 30,000 people a day and is the main connection to the beltway for the northern part of the quadrant. It's a spectacularly stupid idea for everybody, bicyclists included.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

I know this is going to blow your dogmatic little brain, but cars make people's lives better, in almost too many ways to even count. Why else do you think people bother with the expense? And if riding a bike is so great, why do so incredibly few people do it? The city has spent billions building all these bike lanes over many years and still hardly anyone uses them (and studies suggest they only appeal to people in a narrow demographic -- namely, young white men). At some point you have to ask why the government is spending so much money on a form of transportation that hardly anyone wants.

Because crappy drivers like you threaten our lives if we do bike.

Yup. Absolutely fewer people bike because the infrastructure is poor. Which is why they advocated for better infrastructure in the form of...bike lanes.

Nobody takes the train the Rehobeth, does that mean that nobody would if there was a train that went there?

This isn't about stupid bike lanes. It's about eliminating two lanes from an essential road that serves 30,000 people a day and is the main connection to the beltway for the northern part of the quadrant. It's a spectacularly stupid idea for everybody, bicyclists included.

Maybe we should add a few lanes. Then we won't have so much traffic.