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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The supposedly moderate R's who keep voting for folks who empower MAGA are definitely every bit as much to blame as the full-on MAGAs.

Where it comes to votes and outcomes the only thing that matters is whether you did or didn't vote for the candidate that won, regardless of whatever shades of gray might exist in your head when you cast a ballot, the ballot outcome is only black or white.

Just like the Germans in the 1930s, you voted for Nazis…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My spouse is left of center. I’m right of center. She’s a D. I’m a R. She agrees and disagrees with parts of her party platform. I agree and disagree with parts of mine. We’ve been happily married for 18 years. We’ve never allowed politics and the ideological echo chambers out there to drive a wedge between us.

Marriage is more than about politics.

So...
who won the 2020 election?

I'm in a marriage like this, and if my spouse starts spouting of Fox nonsense about how there was ballot stuffing (but with no proof produced by any side), I'd have to question how gullible they are.

Beg pardon but there have been arrests due to proof provided, aided by video, by True The Vote.

If my partner went full on Qanon, it would be over. There's no way I'd be with someone like that.

True the Vote is QAnon?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

OK, CNN reporter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

It was galling hearing fake news reports that ANTIFA dominated BLM protests - what I saw was mostly peaceful and masked protesters.

The MAGA rally/ Jan 6 protesters were mostly unmasked and threats of imminent violence brandished proudly.

Still, we need to keep communication channels between Ds and Rs open to avoid another Jan 6. It is much harder work to bother talking to people you disagree with then to just shut them out.

Part of this Trump disaster started because working class low educated people around the country felt disrespected by Hilary (whom I respect and admire) and Democratic leaders in general. Trump was completely disingenuous (billionaire fraud con man) but he managed to bamboozle them that he was one of them and cared what they think. Obviously he doesn’t. Democrats do need to do a better job of communicating with the majority of American who do not have college degrees and showing them they do care what they think and feel.

I agree, but with the note that the GOP literally has multiple propaganda outlets as well as control of the messaging via corporate-people (thanks again, Johnny) owned media. It’s a lot harder to get your message out there when Republican talking heads are given double the air time and the framing the “mainstream” media uses is the GOP’s.

If we could only control the media, we could fully control what we want people to hear/know

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

It was galling hearing fake news reports that ANTIFA dominated BLM protests - what I saw was mostly peaceful and masked protesters.

The MAGA rally/ Jan 6 protesters were mostly unmasked and threats of imminent violence brandished proudly.

Still, we need to keep communication channels between Ds and Rs open to avoid another Jan 6. It is much harder work to bother talking to people you disagree with then to just shut them out.

Part of this Trump disaster started because working class low educated people around the country felt disrespected by Hilary (whom I respect and admire) and Democratic leaders in general. Trump was completely disingenuous (billionaire fraud con man) but he managed to bamboozle them that he was one of them and cared what they think. Obviously he doesn’t. Democrats do need to do a better job of communicating with the majority of American who do not have college degrees and showing them they do care what they think and feel.

This, exactly this. A lot of working class people really don't realize they are voting against their own interests in order to "stick it" to the "other."

The arrogance on this board is astounding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

It was galling hearing fake news reports that ANTIFA dominated BLM protests - what I saw was mostly peaceful and masked protesters.

The MAGA rally/ Jan 6 protesters were mostly unmasked and threats of imminent violence brandished proudly.

Still, we need to keep communication channels between Ds and Rs open to avoid another Jan 6. It is much harder work to bother talking to people you disagree with then to just shut them out.

Part of this Trump disaster started because working class low educated people around the country felt disrespected by Hilary (whom I respect and admire) and Democratic leaders in general. Trump was completely disingenuous (billionaire fraud con man) but he managed to bamboozle them that he was one of them and cared what they think. Obviously he doesn’t. Democrats do need to do a better job of communicating with the majority of American who do not have college degrees and showing them they do care what they think and feel.

This, exactly this. A lot of working class people really don't realize they are voting against their own interests in order to "stick it" to the "other."

The arrogance on this board is astounding.

DP - it's not at all "arrogance" to speak blunt, inconvenient truths about the GOP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

OK, CNN reporter

If you actually cared, you’d do the research yourself.

But you won’t and will continue to throw out weak sauce insults

I’m dealing in facts. You are not

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

It was galling hearing fake news reports that ANTIFA dominated BLM protests - what I saw was mostly peaceful and masked protesters.

The MAGA rally/ Jan 6 protesters were mostly unmasked and threats of imminent violence brandished proudly.

Still, we need to keep communication channels between Ds and Rs open to avoid another Jan 6. It is much harder work to bother talking to people you disagree with then to just shut them out.

Part of this Trump disaster started because working class low educated people around the country felt disrespected by Hilary (whom I respect and admire) and Democratic leaders in general. Trump was completely disingenuous (billionaire fraud con man) but he managed to bamboozle them that he was one of them and cared what they think. Obviously he doesn’t. Democrats do need to do a better job of communicating with the majority of American who do not have college degrees and showing them they do care what they think and feel.

This, exactly this. A lot of working class people really don't realize they are voting against their own interests in order to "stick it" to the "other."

The arrogance on this board is astounding.

I can’t help that your morons are happy to “Die of Whiteness”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

It was galling hearing fake news reports that ANTIFA dominated BLM protests - what I saw was mostly peaceful and masked protesters.

The MAGA rally/ Jan 6 protesters were mostly unmasked and threats of imminent violence brandished proudly.

Still, we need to keep communication channels between Ds and Rs open to avoid another Jan 6. It is much harder work to bother talking to people you disagree with then to just shut them out.

Part of this Trump disaster started because working class low educated people around the country felt disrespected by Hilary (whom I respect and admire) and Democratic leaders in general. Trump was completely disingenuous (billionaire fraud con man) but he managed to bamboozle them that he was one of them and cared what they think. Obviously he doesn’t. Democrats do need to do a better job of communicating with the majority of American who do not have college degrees and showing them they do care what they think and feel.

Or we just need to find a way to sell them some crock of 5h!t they'll believe even when it's patently false, like the GOP does every time they open their mouths.

Hard part is, that usually means pitting them against someone else, because the only real emotions that motivates them are fear and anger. There is no hope in their world. Just the desperate search for someone to blame for their problems.

Dems have a problem with simple clear messaging. As Einstein allegedly said, you have to understand complex ideas really well to communicate them simply.

For example, the 28 states on the road to banning abortions, especially with no exceptions in cases of rape , incest, or DV, should be simply referred to as Female Unfree States. States where reproductive choices for women are protected should be simply referred to as Female Free States

Climate Change mitigation measures could be rebranded as right to life for younger generations.

Ds can learn from Rs to simplify messaging to the core of issues that laymen without college degrees can understand the import of easily.

Democratic messaging does need help . We can learn from Republicans in reaching more ordinary people with limited formal educations, Latino immigrants and rural folks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

OK, CNN reporter

If you actually cared, you’d do the research yourself.

But you won’t and will continue to throw out weak sauce insults

I’m dealing in facts. You are not

I have and what you say is not true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

It was galling hearing fake news reports that ANTIFA dominated BLM protests - what I saw was mostly peaceful and masked protesters.

The MAGA rally/ Jan 6 protesters were mostly unmasked and threats of imminent violence brandished proudly.

Still, we need to keep communication channels between Ds and Rs open to avoid another Jan 6. It is much harder work to bother talking to people you disagree with then to just shut them out.

Part of this Trump disaster started because working class low educated people around the country felt disrespected by Hilary (whom I respect and admire) and Democratic leaders in general. Trump was completely disingenuous (billionaire fraud con man) but he managed to bamboozle them that he was one of them and cared what they think. Obviously he doesn’t. Democrats do need to do a better job of communicating with the majority of American who do not have college degrees and showing them they do care what they think and feel.

This, exactly this. A lot of working class people really don't realize they are voting against their own interests in order to "stick it" to the "other."

The arrogance on this board is astounding.

How is it arrogant to point out how low-information working class white people vote against their own interests?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

OK, CNN reporter

If you actually cared, you’d do the research yourself.

But you won’t and will continue to throw out weak sauce insults

I’m dealing in facts. You are not

I have and what you say is not true

Breitbart.com is not a credible resource

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

It was galling hearing fake news reports that ANTIFA dominated BLM protests - what I saw was mostly peaceful and masked protesters.

The MAGA rally/ Jan 6 protesters were mostly unmasked and threats of imminent violence brandished proudly.

Still, we need to keep communication channels between Ds and Rs open to avoid another Jan 6. It is much harder work to bother talking to people you disagree with then to just shut them out.

Part of this Trump disaster started because working class low educated people around the country felt disrespected by Hilary (whom I respect and admire) and Democratic leaders in general. Trump was completely disingenuous (billionaire fraud con man) but he managed to bamboozle them that he was one of them and cared what they think. Obviously he doesn’t. Democrats do need to do a better job of communicating with the majority of American who do not have college degrees and showing them they do care what they think and feel.

This, exactly this. A lot of working class people really don't realize they are voting against their own interests in order to "stick it" to the "other."

The arrogance on this board is astounding.

How is it arrogant to point out how low-information working class white people vote against their own interests?

Why don’t you rank what you think rural voters should (in your opinion) care about, and compare that to what you think the actually care about? Then, we can compare the should care about and actually care about to D and R policy positions to see why they may favor R policies.

I’ll guess the top of the “actually care about” list will be access to guns (in part because farmers / rural residents actually use them as tools), respecting their religious preferences, and limiting abortion.

I’ll also hazard to guess that any D policy that would be effectuated in an urban area has extremely limited benefit to a rural voter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

It was galling hearing fake news reports that ANTIFA dominated BLM protests - what I saw was mostly peaceful and masked protesters.

The MAGA rally/ Jan 6 protesters were mostly unmasked and threats of imminent violence brandished proudly.

Still, we need to keep communication channels between Ds and Rs open to avoid another Jan 6. It is much harder work to bother talking to people you disagree with then to just shut them out.

Part of this Trump disaster started because working class low educated people around the country felt disrespected by Hilary (whom I respect and admire) and Democratic leaders in general. Trump was completely disingenuous (billionaire fraud con man) but he managed to bamboozle them that he was one of them and cared what they think. Obviously he doesn’t. Democrats do need to do a better job of communicating with the majority of American who do not have college degrees and showing them they do care what they think and feel.

This, exactly this. A lot of working class people really don't realize they are voting against their own interests in order to "stick it" to the "other."

The arrogance on this board is astounding.

How is it arrogant to point out how low-information working class white people vote against their own interests?

Why don’t you rank what you think rural voters should (in your opinion) care about, and compare that to what you think the actually care about? Then, we can compare the should care about and actually care about to D and R policy positions to see why they may favor R policies.

I’ll guess the top of the “actually care about” list will be access to guns (in part because farmers / rural residents actually use them as tools), respecting their religious preferences, and limiting abortion.

I’ll also hazard to guess that any D policy that would be effectuated in an urban area has extremely limited benefit to a rural voter.

Not pp. But I would think access to women’s health care would actually be very important. The United States has one of the highest (if not the highest) maternal mortality rates in the developed world. And I know it’s very difficult to get doctors to serve in rural areas. I would think continued federal support- for disabled individuals (again lots of rural people are on federal disability) as well as agriculture subsidies. These all require federal taxes be high enough. So, lowering taxes would not be in the interest of rural voters. I don’t think they much care about the stock market and 401k numbers. And while I would argue that supporting unfettered gun ownership is not in the interest of rural voters either. Suicide rates are very high and guns are the number one method for committing suicide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And most arrests have been on which side? Oh, that’s right - Republicans

It was galling hearing fake news reports that ANTIFA dominated BLM protests - what I saw was mostly peaceful and masked protesters.

The MAGA rally/ Jan 6 protesters were mostly unmasked and threats of imminent violence brandished proudly.

Still, we need to keep communication channels between Ds and Rs open to avoid another Jan 6. It is much harder work to bother talking to people you disagree with then to just shut them out.

Part of this Trump disaster started because working class low educated people around the country felt disrespected by Hilary (whom I respect and admire) and Democratic leaders in general. Trump was completely disingenuous (billionaire fraud con man) but he managed to bamboozle them that he was one of them and cared what they think. Obviously he doesn’t. Democrats do need to do a better job of communicating with the majority of American who do not have college degrees and showing them they do care what they think and feel.

This, exactly this. A lot of working class people really don't realize they are voting against their own interests in order to "stick it" to the "other."

The arrogance on this board is astounding.

How is it arrogant to point out how low-information working class white people vote against their own interests?

Why don’t you rank what you think rural voters should (in your opinion) care about, and compare that to what you think the actually care about? Then, we can compare the should care about and actually care about to D and R policy positions to see why they may favor R policies.

I’ll guess the top of the “actually care about” list will be access to guns (in part because farmers / rural residents actually use them as tools), respecting their religious preferences, and limiting abortion.

I’ll also hazard to guess that any D policy that would be effectuated in an urban area has extremely limited benefit to a rural voter.

Not pp. But I would think access to women’s health care would actually be very important. The United States has one of the highest (if not the highest) maternal mortality rates in the developed world. And I know it’s very difficult to get doctors to serve in rural areas. I would think continued federal support- for disabled individuals (again lots of rural people are on federal disability) as well as agriculture subsidies. These all require federal taxes be high enough. So, lowering taxes would not be in the interest of rural voters. I don’t think they much care about the stock market and 401k numbers. And while I would argue that supporting unfettered gun ownership is not in the interest of rural voters either. Suicide rates are very high and guns are the number one method for committing suicide.

I think this is the issue. We’re not listening to what rural voters actually want, we’re instead projecting on to them what we think they should want. And they don’t prioritize those things.