What the hell happened to JD Vance?

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Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

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Anonymous wrote:Dems are envious because Vance has a brain & Kamala….doesn’t.

Kamala has more credentials politically than he does. Also, it's much harder for a woman to rise in the political ranks than a man, so she has more balls than he does.

Even so, they both are smarter than Trump, yet Trump is your man. So, you may not want to mention who has a brain and who doesn't.

Kamala has brains. She's a prosecutor with a long record of public service. Vance...got in to Yale Law School as a military admit, didn't have a stellar record there, and has worked at a hedge fund run by conservative Silicon Valley oddballs. He has a very thin resume. And shame on his wife--a brown immigrant woman embracing the MAGA nutjobs who would like nothing more than to expel people like her from the country.

I think he was on the Yale Law Journal.

He was. But as one of 60 others.
https://abovethelaw.com/2024/07/j-d-vance-described-as-editor-of-the-yale-law-journal-which-seems-a-tad-misleading/

Yes. But I was responding to the pp who said he had a “less than stellar record” at YLS. Making law review disproves that.

Yale does not base law review on grades—it’s different than other schools. When I was there, it was a blue booking test combined with a writing (assessment of a submitted article) graded by fellow students. It wasn’t a process that necessarily rewarded the smartest so “making law review” doesn’t prove that much.

I’m also laughing internally at the PP that said he was well liked at YLS as some kind of proof that he’s a people person. I don’t know if he was well liked at YLs (I was there before him) but YLS is definitely not a good metric for how normal humans interact with each other.

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Anonymous wrote:I also wonder why on earth they chose Vance. Trump already had a huge problem with women voters. While Trump was polling far ahead of Biden in Florida, Biden was ahead in Florida among women voters. Women turn out to vote more than men so in swing states it matters. Trump’s liability beyond..you know being a con artist, liar, convicted felon, depraved human..is the GOP’s extreme actions on abortion. So what does the campaign do? They pick Vance the biggest woman hating prick on the planet.

Yes let’s double down on forcing women in violent, abusive marriages to NOT BE ALLOWED to DIVORCE their rapist, abuser if pregnant and not be able to abort. Hey guys, here’s the playbook. If your wife is giving you grief for beating her, just rape her! She’ll be forced to stay married to you and give birth. Have at it fellas, Vance is your man!

Let’s make abortion illegal everywhere in the US! Screw states rights, doesn’t matter if there are women to harm. Vance is your guy. He’s the dream guy of every sociopath or mentally ill guy that feels rejected by women or blames his shortcomings on women.

You just answered your own question as to why Trump decided this was his dream guy.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

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Yeah. This is what I don’t get. I guess the base didn’t read his book? Because they complain about liberal elites looking down on them. But most of us don’t have a NYT best seller devoted to doing so.

Nobody read his corny book full of lies and exaggerations. It was astroturfed propaganda.

Gotta admit Glenn Close was damn good in the movie though. Credit where it’s due.

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Anonymous wrote:I also wonder why on earth they chose Vance. Trump already had a huge problem with women voters. While Trump was polling far ahead of Biden in Florida, Biden was ahead in Florida among women voters. Women turn out to vote more than men so in swing states it matters. Trump’s liability beyond..you know being a con artist, liar, convicted felon, depraved human..is the GOP’s extreme actions on abortion. So what does the campaign do? They pick Vance the biggest woman hating prick on the planet.

Yes let’s double down on forcing women in violent, abusive marriages to NOT BE ALLOWED to DIVORCE their rapist, abuser if pregnant and not be able to abort. Hey guys, here’s the playbook. If your wife is giving you grief for beating her, just rape her! She’ll be forced to stay married to you and give birth. Have at it fellas, Vance is your man!

Let’s make abortion illegal everywhere in the US! Screw states rights, doesn’t matter if there are women to harm. Vance is your guy. He’s the dream guy of every sociopath or mentally ill guy that feels rejected by women or blames his shortcomings on women.

I agree. At first he looked okay and then I saw his statements and recoiled. Even for GOP that is out there on domestic violence.

+1. He’s also part of the group that has called for and been able to put up bills in several red Southern states to do away with no fault divorce because…. “It’s not fair to men”— that what?— a woman he has beaten and raped can divorce that SOB? It’s crazy bad for women. And yet, may pass in some Southern states. Thanks fundies.

https://www.vox.com/today-explained-newsletter/354635/divorce-no-fault-states-marriage-republicans

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Anonymous wrote:8:30 sounds exactly like Obama’s.

Yes, Barack is the same profile. Both he and JD were plotting their political trajectories from their law school days and got some critical early help from older boosters. In JD's case, it was primarily Amy Chua and Peter Thiel that help propel him forward. For Barack it was the likes of Abner Mikva, Emil Jones and Valerie Jarrett.

JD has clearly been obsessed with politics since he was a teen. The fake military box checking. Majored in poli sci at OSU. Interned for politicians at OSU. Job at AEI. Guy is a lifelong wormy schemer who was trying to build the perfect resume.

I don’t understand what’s wrong with having goals and working to achieve them. Plenty of people know what they want to do as a career and set long term goals for himself. And then step by step they make decisions and position themselves to obtain the end. I am not a Vance fan but insulting him because he had childhood goals to get into politics is lame. Plenty of people have these goals.

Because why choose politics as a career? It almost always requires great sacrifices of personal integrity.

So does that extend to the candidates you like then?

Yes, it does. I am an independent, and haven't been "in love" with a candidate since I was a teen.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

I think there may be historical precedent. And Trump likes a good firing. But, I sure hope not. He plays right into the Dems big selling point.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

I think there may be historical precedent. And Trump likes a good firing. But, I sure hope not. He plays right into the Dems big selling point.

The democrats will make a good meal of it either way.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

Nope. The Convention is done. There is no mechanism to change the nominees now. And once August 8th passes, Ohio and the Dems are locked in as well.

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

Why did he need to be in politics to begin with? I don't see how he is even a good fit, he is extremely unlikable.

He didn't. But he's ambitious. This type for person doesn't think about "good fit" or "needs of the country" before jumping into politics, they just go for it to satiate their thirst for acclaim, status, notoriety, power, relevance etc. Not an uncommon profile for YLS.

Yes, but politics is still a more natural fit for some than others. Clinton likes being around people. So does Trump. Obama is more of a professor type, but still very likable.

Vance looks desperate. He comes across as a low class striver with a chip on his shoulder. I can't tell who is supposed to be his constituency.

And D’s wonder why middle Americans consider them to be out of touch elites. It’s ok to be a career politician, but only if you have the right pedigree.

I don't care for career politicians, but this is not the issue here. Obama, Bill Clinton didn't have a pedigree. What is Trump's pedigree?

But they come across as people who are enjoying themselves and who like other people. They don't come across as angry, insecure schemers.

Again - who likes this guy? I didn't like Pence, either (understatement) but I understood that pick. He was a pious guy with executive experience that appealed to a certain demographic (religious nuts) that, at the time, Trump had some problem with. I don't understand this pick.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems are envious because Vance has a brain & Kamala….doesn’t.

Kamala has more credentials politically than he does. Also, it's much harder for a woman to rise in the political ranks than a man, so she has more balls than he does.

Even so, they both are smarter than Trump, yet Trump is your man. So, you may not want to mention who has a brain and who doesn't.

Kamala has brains. She's a prosecutor with a long record of public service. Vance...got in to Yale Law School as a military admit, didn't have a stellar record there, and has worked at a hedge fund run by conservative Silicon Valley oddballs. He has a very thin resume. And shame on his wife--a brown immigrant woman embracing the MAGA nutjobs who would like nothing more than to expel people like her from the country.

I think he was on the Yale Law Journal.

He was. But as one of 60 others.
https://abovethelaw.com/2024/07/j-d-vance-described-as-editor-of-the-yale-law-journal-which-seems-a-tad-misleading/

Yes. But I was responding to the pp who said he had a “less than stellar record” at YLS. Making law review disproves that.

What does making law review have to do with being a terrible venture capitalist. Those are 2 completely different skill sets.

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He has no money. How is he a venture capitalist?