Did anyone here about the 11 people injured, 2 killed eating outside of the Parthenon today?

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Nine people just died in a horrific accident in Texas. Cause was a 13 year old male driver (illegal) who was accompanied/permitted by a 37 year old male.

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Anonymous wrote:I am ready to write a letter to the MVA reporting that males aged 16-25 should not be allowed licenses. I am shocked that some of you allow your children in a car driven by boys and men in that age group.

You realize that the fire trucks, police cars, and ambulances that responded to this, were possibly driven by males 18-25?
My college boyfriend was 19 when he drove an ambulance.

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Anonymous wrote:I am ready to write a letter to the MVA reporting that males aged 16-25 should not be allowed licenses. I am shocked that some of you allow your children in a car driven by boys and men in that age group.

You realize that the fire trucks, police cars, and ambulances that responded to this, were possibly driven by males 18-25?
My college boyfriend was 19 when he drove an ambulance.

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Young people are here to clean up the Boomers mess!

Thank you, PP, BTW.

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Anonymous wrote:You know who causes most of the traffic fatalities in the US - men under 25, but yeah Pick on the old people.

This point has been brought up several times but no one seems to want to comment on it. If people want to advocate for testing older people every year then they should support doing the same for MALES of certain age groups, as they have the highest fatality rates.

Males under the age of 25 were literally just tested/evaluated within the last decade.

Drivers over the age of 75 haven't been evaluated in 50 years!

Holy crap, when you put it that way, it really is terrifying that they are still on the road.

PP you quoted here. It really is! And actually, I did the math wrong--for most of them it's 60 years (assuming they got their license at 16.)

I am 46--I haven't had to take any type of test or evaluation since I was 16--30 years ago! I moved from the state I got my license (CA) to VA almost 16 years ago. To get my VA license, I just had to submit some paper work, pay a fee, and have my photo taken. I didn't have to take a test or have my driving evaluated--even though some traffic laws are different in CA compared to VA. That's actually not a good thing.

If your theory is correct, males under 25 should be the safest on the road having been most recently tested. I doubt that's true.

Males under 25 are some of the most skilled drivers but they take unnecessary risks that result in higher numbers of crashes. Someone who hits the gas instead of the brake is a completely unqualified driver who lacks even the most basic skills of driving.

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It's not a common occurrence, but it is a possibility not just for seniors. What you're really pointing out is that driving is pretty unsafe.

If cars weren't so big / high powered it would be less of a risk. Imagine what a 4 cylinder lower/smaller car would have resulted in?

You know smaller engine vehicles still weigh roughly a ton, right?

Did you ever take a basic physics course in your life? Never mind, we know the answer.

Holy crap. Talk about denial.

A lot more than you apparently. Getting hot by a smaller/lower car at lower speeds is far better than getting hit by a bigger/taller car at high speeds. It doesn't mean that the smaller would be fun, but it would do a lot less damage.

Not only is this supported by theoretical physics calculations (momentum, energy, etc.), but also empirical data about the impact of size, height, and speed on damage to people.

But please, tell me more about denial.

We are not talking about canines, you damn fool. Talk to me when you have worked in insurance. FFS.

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Anonymous wrote:Elderly aren't the problem. If they were the insurance rates would reflect that and they don't. A bunch of you just want to pick on old people. It is disgusting.

No, it's because then insurance companies will be accused of age discrimination, and as we've seen with covid, you can't bring up older age risks or you're accused of hating "the most vulnerable."

As someone who's a pedestrian 80% of the time, elderly drivers are truly the most dangerous. Yes there are dangerous drivers in all age groups, but elderly drivers simply do not have the sense of perception or reaction time that another may have.

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Simple facts, thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I am shocked and appalled that anyone would think that their elderly parents driving (NOT a right, but a privilege, at that) takes any sort of precedent over innocent people living; and avoiding the wrath of a car driven by someone who shouldn't even be driving jumping a curb and ending it right there.

I don't see anyone here thinking that. But adult "kids" don't have the legal authority to "take away the keys" as some here suggest. Like it or not--theft is a crime! If I literally strong arm my parent and STEAL his keys, I can go to prison for many years! Same with tampering with a car to disable it--also a crime!
Then all we have is a normally law abiding adult in prison, minor children in the foster care system (because their parent is now locked up) and the elderly person still out and about driving.

Oh stop. No one is going to jail for taking their demented parents keys away. Seriously. Most people don't go to jail for taking a car nefariously. It's just not that high a priority crime. If your parent shouldn't be driving, then do whatever you need to do to keep them from doing it, even if it means hiding the keys or disabling the battery.

You're assuming the demented parents just leave the keys out where the adult child can take them. If the demented parent won't give them up and the adult child has to literally beat the parent unconscious to get ahold of them, I guarantee you the adult child will face charges.

Maybe the adult child should face charges for allowing their impaired parent to drive.

Children have no legal authority over their parents

Keys are easy to take, if you don't announce it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am shocked and appalled that anyone would think that their elderly parents driving (NOT a right, but a privilege, at that) takes any sort of precedent over innocent people living; and avoiding the wrath of a car driven by someone who shouldn't even be driving jumping a curb and ending it right there.

I don't see anyone here thinking that. But adult "kids" don't have the legal authority to "take away the keys" as some here suggest. Like it or not--theft is a crime! If I literally strong arm my parent and STEAL his keys, I can go to prison for many years! Same with tampering with a car to disable it--also a crime!
Then all we have is a normally law abiding adult in prison, minor children in the foster care system (because their parent is now locked up) and the elderly person still out and about driving.

Oh stop. No one is going to jail for taking their demented parents keys away. Seriously. Most people don't go to jail for taking a car nefariously. It's just not that high a priority crime. If your parent shouldn't be driving, then do whatever you need to do to keep them from doing it, even if it means hiding the keys or disabling the battery.

You're assuming the demented parents just leave the keys out where the adult child can take them. If the demented parent won't give them up and the adult child has to literally beat the parent unconscious to get ahold of them, I guarantee you the adult child will face charges.

Maybe the adult child should face charges for allowing their impaired parent to drive.

Children have no legal authority over their parents

And who gets in trouble when the elderly person has no children or no living children? Or are we only going to punish families?

Cross one bridge at a time. Start with the offspring.

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Have any updates been released on this accident? I did a quick google search and everything seems to be reports from March 12ish.

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Anonymous wrote:I am ready to write a letter to the MVA reporting that males aged 16-25 should not be allowed licenses. I am shocked that some of you allow your children in a car driven by boys and men in that age group.

These younger drivers, with some exceptions of course, will with practice and time become better drivers, the elderly on the other hand get progressively worse until they die on average within 5-10 years or so.

Tell Gramps to take the bus, metro or even a bike…

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Anonymous wrote:I am ready to write a letter to the MVA reporting that males aged 16-25 should not be allowed licenses. I am shocked that some of you allow your children in a car driven by boys and men in that age group.

These younger drivers, with some exceptions of course, will with practice and time become better drivers, the elderly on the other hand get progressively worse until they die on average within 5-10 years or so.

Tell Gramps to take the bus, metro or even a bike…

This is a HUGE issue facing society. You call the DMV and some will allow you to file a report, but it can take at least a month for follow through and they might do nothing. You can take car keys, but they either have another set stashed somewhere, or in my friend's case (where mom refused a dementia eval), the mom bought another car!