Va. committee passes bill banning admissions discrimination

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Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

False. Progressives want equitable opportunities. Which is precisely what this is.

But misrepresenting the goals of progressives is probably a good strategy for winning points from the folks here who think that only Asians care about education.

That's not what equity means in progressive parlance. Equity is *what you have*, meaning privileges. They are not just after equal opportunity. Here it is straight for the horse's mouth:

http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/equity-vs-equality-eliminating-opportunity-gaps-education/

As shown in the illustrative cartoon at the top, it's not that they want to give every child the opportunity to build their own box if they need it. No. It's that they want two boxes to be provided to that one child, at the expense of the other child.

If you can look at that picture and not conclude that the best thing to do is give two boxes to the short kid so everyone can see, no one should ever let you anywhere near children. That’s Child Protective Services level of psychopathy.

The problem is - what do you do if there are only two boxes? In your world, you give it to the short kid and the expense of the taller kid because he has "height privilege" and so did his ancestors so tough luck for him even though now he can't see because we are taking his box away.

If there are two boxes, you do what you can to make sure that at least one additional kid can see. In this example, there's no inherently greater value to helping either of the two other kids, so you pick one and try to find another box.

Advocates for the previous status quo would give the tallest kid a box and save the other two in case more tall kids showed up.

If they own the box, they should keep it and not have it taken away because some SJWs decide otherwise.

Ah... but they do not own the box. They just historically have received the vast majority of the boxes. And they've recognized that the boxes are probably more useful to the short kids than the tall kids, whose outcomes won't be impacted nearly as much.

Hey, Asians are the shortest on average and whites/blacks are the tallest on average.

Under PP's logic, Asians should get automatic 10 inches added to their height for selecting of basketball teams. They need it the most and would have the greatest impact.

The goal of the boxes is to help kids see the baseball game.

The goal of basketball teams is to win games. How would that help?

You are an idiot - goal of the boxes is to give a "boost" to the kids so the kids can fully engage and take advantage of the boosted situation, not just to enable them to see a game.

Goal of the governor's school in STEM is to select the best STEM students and give them the best elite education in STEM so that the entire State/country will benefit. What good is it to allow above average students into such a school if they cannot "win" as in take advantage of the advanced courses, take advantage of the advanced equipment, take advantage of elite academic teams, take advantage of advanced research etc.?

Let’s see…

Basically every major company in the DC area has a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiative - irrespective of industry. Recognizing the value of not only hiring workers from diverse backgrounds, but in promoting LEADERS from those backgrounds as well.

They’re doing just fine.

Why? Because there are far more individuals who are highly qualified to do those jobs than there are people to fill them - and because companies gain inherent value both in the public and in their decision rooms from having diverse perspectives to hear from.

The same is the case for applicants to TJ. As much as regressives want to pretend that the kids who get selected to go to TJ every year are a cut above the rest, the reality is that there are a few who are - but that there are far more who are basically in the same realm as a thousand who don’t get selected.

So what has FCPS decided? They’ve decided that a slightly different balance of voices in the classroom - yes from a racial perspective but more importantly from a socioeconomic and experiential perspective - than a few extra points on a problem-solving creativity exam that someone told the kids how to solve.

Everything else you've typed can be discussed, debated, etc. What's clearly evil and wrong is that you admit the new policy to be racist yet you support it.

Creating additional diversity based on race is the OPPOSITE of racism. Disagreeing with that reality equates to a loss of credibility.

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Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

False. Progressives want equitable opportunities. Which is precisely what this is.

But misrepresenting the goals of progressives is probably a good strategy for winning points from the folks here who think that only Asians care about education.

That's not what equity means in progressive parlance. Equity is *what you have*, meaning privileges. They are not just after equal opportunity. Here it is straight for the horse's mouth:

http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/equity-vs-equality-eliminating-opportunity-gaps-education/

As shown in the illustrative cartoon at the top, it's not that they want to give every child the opportunity to build their own box if they need it. No. It's that they want two boxes to be provided to that one child, at the expense of the other child.

If you can look at that picture and not conclude that the best thing to do is give two boxes to the short kid so everyone can see, no one should ever let you anywhere near children. That’s Child Protective Services level of psychopathy.

The problem is - what do you do if there are only two boxes? In your world, you give it to the short kid and the expense of the taller kid because he has "height privilege" and so did his ancestors so tough luck for him even though now he can't see because we are taking his box away.

If there are two boxes, you do what you can to make sure that at least one additional kid can see. In this example, there's no inherently greater value to helping either of the two other kids, so you pick one and try to find another box.

Advocates for the previous status quo would give the tallest kid a box and save the other two in case more tall kids showed up.

If they own the box, they should keep it and not have it taken away because some SJWs decide otherwise.

Ah... but they do not own the box. They just historically have received the vast majority of the boxes. And they've recognized that the boxes are probably more useful to the short kids than the tall kids, whose outcomes won't be impacted nearly as much.

Hey, Asians are the shortest on average and whites/blacks are the tallest on average.

Under PP's logic, Asians should get automatic 10 inches added to their height for selecting of basketball teams. They need it the most and would have the greatest impact.

The goal of the boxes is to help kids see the baseball game.

The goal of basketball teams is to win games. How would that help?

You are an idiot - goal of the boxes is to give a "boost" to the kids so the kids can fully engage and take advantage of the boosted situation, not just to enable them to see a game.

Goal of the governor's school in STEM is to select the best STEM students and give them the best elite education in STEM so that the entire State/country will benefit. What good is it to allow above average students into such a school if they cannot "win" as in take advantage of the advanced courses, take advantage of the advanced equipment, take advantage of elite academic teams, take advantage of advanced research etc.?

Let’s see…

Basically every major company in the DC area has a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiative - irrespective of industry. Recognizing the value of not only hiring workers from diverse backgrounds, but in promoting LEADERS from those backgrounds as well.

They’re doing just fine.

Why? Because there are far more individuals who are highly qualified to do those jobs than there are people to fill them - and because companies gain inherent value both in the public and in their decision rooms from having diverse perspectives to hear from.

The same is the case for applicants to TJ. As much as regressives want to pretend that the kids who get selected to go to TJ every year are a cut above the rest, the reality is that there are a few who are - but that there are far more who are basically in the same realm as a thousand who don’t get selected.

So what has FCPS decided? They’ve decided that a slightly different balance of voices in the classroom - yes from a racial perspective but more importantly from a socioeconomic and experiential perspective - than a few extra points on a problem-solving creativity exam that someone told the kids how to solve.

Agree completely.

And when you look at total #s, the number of Asians at TJ today is actually higher than it was just a few years ago.

And we have:
142 more kids from underrepresented MSs
36 fewer kids from private schools
42 fewer kids from feeder MSs

Wrong. Asians were reduced in percentage by deliberate discriminatory action. That's what the discussion, lawsuit and judgment has been about.

The % decreased because they added more seats.

Go visit TJ tomorrow. There are more Asian students on campus than there were a few years ago.

Wrong. Asians were reduced in percentage by deliberate discriminatory action. From previous incoming class vs current incoming class - percentage down, number also down. That's what the discussion, lawsuit and judgment has been about.

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Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

False. Progressives want equitable opportunities. Which is precisely what this is.

But misrepresenting the goals of progressives is probably a good strategy for winning points from the folks here who think that only Asians care about education.

That's not what equity means in progressive parlance. Equity is *what you have*, meaning privileges. They are not just after equal opportunity. Here it is straight for the horse's mouth:

http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/equity-vs-equality-eliminating-opportunity-gaps-education/

As shown in the illustrative cartoon at the top, it's not that they want to give every child the opportunity to build their own box if they need it. No. It's that they want two boxes to be provided to that one child, at the expense of the other child.

If you can look at that picture and not conclude that the best thing to do is give two boxes to the short kid so everyone can see, no one should ever let you anywhere near children. That’s Child Protective Services level of psychopathy.

The problem is - what do you do if there are only two boxes? In your world, you give it to the short kid and the expense of the taller kid because he has "height privilege" and so did his ancestors so tough luck for him even though now he can't see because we are taking his box away.

If there are two boxes, you do what you can to make sure that at least one additional kid can see. In this example, there's no inherently greater value to helping either of the two other kids, so you pick one and try to find another box.

Advocates for the previous status quo would give the tallest kid a box and save the other two in case more tall kids showed up.

If they own the box, they should keep it and not have it taken away because some SJWs decide otherwise.

Ah... but they do not own the box. They just historically have received the vast majority of the boxes. And they've recognized that the boxes are probably more useful to the short kids than the tall kids, whose outcomes won't be impacted nearly as much.

Hey, Asians are the shortest on average and whites/blacks are the tallest on average.

Under PP's logic, Asians should get automatic 10 inches added to their height for selecting of basketball teams. They need it the most and would have the greatest impact.

The goal of the boxes is to help kids see the baseball game.

The goal of basketball teams is to win games. How would that help?

You are an idiot - goal of the boxes is to give a "boost" to the kids so the kids can fully engage and take advantage of the boosted situation, not just to enable them to see a game.

Goal of the governor's school in STEM is to select the best STEM students and give them the best elite education in STEM so that the entire State/country will benefit. What good is it to allow above average students into such a school if they cannot "win" as in take advantage of the advanced courses, take advantage of the advanced equipment, take advantage of elite academic teams, take advantage of advanced research etc.?

Let’s see…

Basically every major company in the DC area has a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiative - irrespective of industry. Recognizing the value of not only hiring workers from diverse backgrounds, but in promoting LEADERS from those backgrounds as well.

They’re doing just fine.

Why? Because there are far more individuals who are highly qualified to do those jobs than there are people to fill them - and because companies gain inherent value both in the public and in their decision rooms from having diverse perspectives to hear from.

The same is the case for applicants to TJ. As much as regressives want to pretend that the kids who get selected to go to TJ every year are a cut above the rest, the reality is that there are a few who are - but that there are far more who are basically in the same realm as a thousand who don’t get selected.

So what has FCPS decided? They’ve decided that a slightly different balance of voices in the classroom - yes from a racial perspective but more importantly from a socioeconomic and experiential perspective - than a few extra points on a problem-solving creativity exam that someone told the kids how to solve.

Everything else you've typed can be discussed, debated, etc. What's clearly evil and wrong is that you admit the new policy to be racist yet you support it.

What kind of dope do you have to be make the leap from “yes, from a racial perspective but MORE IMPORTANTLY” to “I admit this is racism”?

You give trolls a bad name.

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Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

False. Progressives want equitable opportunities. Which is precisely what this is.

But misrepresenting the goals of progressives is probably a good strategy for winning points from the folks here who think that only Asians care about education.

That's not what equity means in progressive parlance. Equity is *what you have*, meaning privileges. They are not just after equal opportunity. Here it is straight for the horse's mouth:

http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/equity-vs-equality-eliminating-opportunity-gaps-education/

As shown in the illustrative cartoon at the top, it's not that they want to give every child the opportunity to build their own box if they need it. No. It's that they want two boxes to be provided to that one child, at the expense of the other child.

If you can look at that picture and not conclude that the best thing to do is give two boxes to the short kid so everyone can see, no one should ever let you anywhere near children. That’s Child Protective Services level of psychopathy.

The problem is - what do you do if there are only two boxes? In your world, you give it to the short kid and the expense of the taller kid because he has "height privilege" and so did his ancestors so tough luck for him even though now he can't see because we are taking his box away.

If there are two boxes, you do what you can to make sure that at least one additional kid can see. In this example, there's no inherently greater value to helping either of the two other kids, so you pick one and try to find another box.

Advocates for the previous status quo would give the tallest kid a box and save the other two in case more tall kids showed up.

If they own the box, they should keep it and not have it taken away because some SJWs decide otherwise.

Ah... but they do not own the box. They just historically have received the vast majority of the boxes. And they've recognized that the boxes are probably more useful to the short kids than the tall kids, whose outcomes won't be impacted nearly as much.

Hey, Asians are the shortest on average and whites/blacks are the tallest on average.

Under PP's logic, Asians should get automatic 10 inches added to their height for selecting of basketball teams. They need it the most and would have the greatest impact.

The goal of the boxes is to help kids see the baseball game.

The goal of basketball teams is to win games. How would that help?

You are an idiot - goal of the boxes is to give a "boost" to the kids so the kids can fully engage and take advantage of the boosted situation, not just to enable them to see a game.

Goal of the governor's school in STEM is to select the best STEM students and give them the best elite education in STEM so that the entire State/country will benefit. What good is it to allow above average students into such a school if they cannot "win" as in take advantage of the advanced courses, take advantage of the advanced equipment, take advantage of elite academic teams, take advantage of advanced research etc.?

Let’s see…

Basically every major company in the DC area has a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiative - irrespective of industry. Recognizing the value of not only hiring workers from diverse backgrounds, but in promoting LEADERS from those backgrounds as well.

They’re doing just fine.

Why? Because there are far more individuals who are highly qualified to do those jobs than there are people to fill them - and because companies gain inherent value both in the public and in their decision rooms from having diverse perspectives to hear from.

The same is the case for applicants to TJ. As much as regressives want to pretend that the kids who get selected to go to TJ every year are a cut above the rest, the reality is that there are a few who are - but that there are far more who are basically in the same realm as a thousand who don’t get selected.

So what has FCPS decided? They’ve decided that a slightly different balance of voices in the classroom - yes from a racial perspective but more importantly from a socioeconomic and experiential perspective - than a few extra points on a problem-solving creativity exam that someone told the kids how to solve.

Everything else you've typed can be discussed, debated, etc. What's clearly evil and wrong is that you admit the new policy to be racist yet you support it.

Creating additional diversity based on race is the OPPOSITE of racism. Disagreeing with that reality equates to a loss of credibility.

I am sure your lawyers said this line in court - and lost. because an argument is looked at in the entirety and context of the discussion. doesn't seems like you have the intelligence to understand. much less credibility.

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Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

False. Progressives want equitable opportunities. Which is precisely what this is.

But misrepresenting the goals of progressives is probably a good strategy for winning points from the folks here who think that only Asians care about education.

That's not what equity means in progressive parlance. Equity is *what you have*, meaning privileges. They are not just after equal opportunity. Here it is straight for the horse's mouth:

http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/equity-vs-equality-eliminating-opportunity-gaps-education/

As shown in the illustrative cartoon at the top, it's not that they want to give every child the opportunity to build their own box if they need it. No. It's that they want two boxes to be provided to that one child, at the expense of the other child.

If you can look at that picture and not conclude that the best thing to do is give two boxes to the short kid so everyone can see, no one should ever let you anywhere near children. That’s Child Protective Services level of psychopathy.

The problem is - what do you do if there are only two boxes? In your world, you give it to the short kid and the expense of the taller kid because he has "height privilege" and so did his ancestors so tough luck for him even though now he can't see because we are taking his box away.

If there are two boxes, you do what you can to make sure that at least one additional kid can see. In this example, there's no inherently greater value to helping either of the two other kids, so you pick one and try to find another box.

Advocates for the previous status quo would give the tallest kid a box and save the other two in case more tall kids showed up.

If they own the box, they should keep it and not have it taken away because some SJWs decide otherwise.

Ah... but they do not own the box. They just historically have received the vast majority of the boxes. And they've recognized that the boxes are probably more useful to the short kids than the tall kids, whose outcomes won't be impacted nearly as much.

Hey, Asians are the shortest on average and whites/blacks are the tallest on average.

Under PP's logic, Asians should get automatic 10 inches added to their height for selecting of basketball teams. They need it the most and would have the greatest impact.

The goal of the boxes is to help kids see the baseball game.

The goal of basketball teams is to win games. How would that help?

You are an idiot - goal of the boxes is to give a "boost" to the kids so the kids can fully engage and take advantage of the boosted situation, not just to enable them to see a game.

Goal of the governor's school in STEM is to select the best STEM students and give them the best elite education in STEM so that the entire State/country will benefit. What good is it to allow above average students into such a school if they cannot "win" as in take advantage of the advanced courses, take advantage of the advanced equipment, take advantage of elite academic teams, take advantage of advanced research etc.?

Let’s see…

Basically every major company in the DC area has a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiative - irrespective of industry. Recognizing the value of not only hiring workers from diverse backgrounds, but in promoting LEADERS from those backgrounds as well.

They’re doing just fine.

Why? Because there are far more individuals who are highly qualified to do those jobs than there are people to fill them - and because companies gain inherent value both in the public and in their decision rooms from having diverse perspectives to hear from.

The same is the case for applicants to TJ. As much as regressives want to pretend that the kids who get selected to go to TJ every year are a cut above the rest, the reality is that there are a few who are - but that there are far more who are basically in the same realm as a thousand who don’t get selected.

So what has FCPS decided? They’ve decided that a slightly different balance of voices in the classroom - yes from a racial perspective but more importantly from a socioeconomic and experiential perspective - than a few extra points on a problem-solving creativity exam that someone told the kids how to solve.

Everything else you've typed can be discussed, debated, etc. What's clearly evil and wrong is that you admit the new policy to be racist yet you support it.

Creating additional diversity based on race is the OPPOSITE of racism. Disagreeing with that reality equates to a loss of credibility.

It doesn't matter what you think you are trying to accomplish, you may think you are bringing on utopia, but practicing racism is not the way to get there, and will almost certainly lead you to a different place than where you hoped to be.

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Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

False. Progressives want equitable opportunities. Which is precisely what this is.

But misrepresenting the goals of progressives is probably a good strategy for winning points from the folks here who think that only Asians care about education.

That's not what equity means in progressive parlance. Equity is *what you have*, meaning privileges. They are not just after equal opportunity. Here it is straight for the horse's mouth:

http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/equity-vs-equality-eliminating-opportunity-gaps-education/

As shown in the illustrative cartoon at the top, it's not that they want to give every child the opportunity to build their own box if they need it. No. It's that they want two boxes to be provided to that one child, at the expense of the other child.

If you can look at that picture and not conclude that the best thing to do is give two boxes to the short kid so everyone can see, no one should ever let you anywhere near children. That’s Child Protective Services level of psychopathy.

The problem is - what do you do if there are only two boxes? In your world, you give it to the short kid and the expense of the taller kid because he has "height privilege" and so did his ancestors so tough luck for him even though now he can't see because we are taking his box away.

If there are two boxes, you do what you can to make sure that at least one additional kid can see. In this example, there's no inherently greater value to helping either of the two other kids, so you pick one and try to find another box.

Advocates for the previous status quo would give the tallest kid a box and save the other two in case more tall kids showed up.

If they own the box, they should keep it and not have it taken away because some SJWs decide otherwise.

Ah... but they do not own the box. They just historically have received the vast majority of the boxes. And they've recognized that the boxes are probably more useful to the short kids than the tall kids, whose outcomes won't be impacted nearly as much.

Hey, Asians are the shortest on average and whites/blacks are the tallest on average.

Under PP's logic, Asians should get automatic 10 inches added to their height for selecting of basketball teams. They need it the most and would have the greatest impact.

The goal of the boxes is to help kids see the baseball game.

The goal of basketball teams is to win games. How would that help?

You are an idiot - goal of the boxes is to give a "boost" to the kids so the kids can fully engage and take advantage of the boosted situation, not just to enable them to see a game.

Goal of the governor's school in STEM is to select the best STEM students and give them the best elite education in STEM so that the entire State/country will benefit. What good is it to allow above average students into such a school if they cannot "win" as in take advantage of the advanced courses, take advantage of the advanced equipment, take advantage of elite academic teams, take advantage of advanced research etc.?

Let’s see…

Basically every major company in the DC area has a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiative - irrespective of industry. Recognizing the value of not only hiring workers from diverse backgrounds, but in promoting LEADERS from those backgrounds as well.

They’re doing just fine.

Why? Because there are far more individuals who are highly qualified to do those jobs than there are people to fill them - and because companies gain inherent value both in the public and in their decision rooms from having diverse perspectives to hear from.

The same is the case for applicants to TJ. As much as regressives want to pretend that the kids who get selected to go to TJ every year are a cut above the rest, the reality is that there are a few who are - but that there are far more who are basically in the same realm as a thousand who don’t get selected.

So what has FCPS decided? They’ve decided that a slightly different balance of voices in the classroom - yes from a racial perspective but more importantly from a socioeconomic and experiential perspective - than a few extra points on a problem-solving creativity exam that someone told the kids how to solve.

Agree completely.

And when you look at total #s, the number of Asians at TJ today is actually higher than it was just a few years ago.

And we have:
142 more kids from underrepresented MSs
36 fewer kids from private schools
42 fewer kids from feeder MSs

Wrong. Asians were reduced in percentage by deliberate discriminatory action. That's what the discussion, lawsuit and judgment has been about.

The % decreased because they added more seats.

Go visit TJ tomorrow. There are more Asian students on campus than there were a few years ago.

Wrong. Asians were reduced in percentage by deliberate discriminatory action. From previous incoming class vs current incoming class - percentage down, number also down. That's what the discussion, lawsuit and judgment has been about.

Right, but we need to put it in perspective. There are a high # of Asian students at TJ today. Even higher than a few years ago. And we’ve added seats to allow more paths to TJ.

I see that as a win.

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Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

False. Progressives want equitable opportunities. Which is precisely what this is.

But misrepresenting the goals of progressives is probably a good strategy for winning points from the folks here who think that only Asians care about education.

That's not what equity means in progressive parlance. Equity is *what you have*, meaning privileges. They are not just after equal opportunity. Here it is straight for the horse's mouth:

http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/equity-vs-equality-eliminating-opportunity-gaps-education/

As shown in the illustrative cartoon at the top, it's not that they want to give every child the opportunity to build their own box if they need it. No. It's that they want two boxes to be provided to that one child, at the expense of the other child.

If you can look at that picture and not conclude that the best thing to do is give two boxes to the short kid so everyone can see, no one should ever let you anywhere near children. That’s Child Protective Services level of psychopathy.

The problem is - what do you do if there are only two boxes? In your world, you give it to the short kid and the expense of the taller kid because he has "height privilege" and so did his ancestors so tough luck for him even though now he can't see because we are taking his box away.

If there are two boxes, you do what you can to make sure that at least one additional kid can see. In this example, there's no inherently greater value to helping either of the two other kids, so you pick one and try to find another box.

Advocates for the previous status quo would give the tallest kid a box and save the other two in case more tall kids showed up.

If they own the box, they should keep it and not have it taken away because some SJWs decide otherwise.

Ah... but they do not own the box. They just historically have received the vast majority of the boxes. And they've recognized that the boxes are probably more useful to the short kids than the tall kids, whose outcomes won't be impacted nearly as much.

Hey, Asians are the shortest on average and whites/blacks are the tallest on average.

Under PP's logic, Asians should get automatic 10 inches added to their height for selecting of basketball teams. They need it the most and would have the greatest impact.

The goal of the boxes is to help kids see the baseball game.

The goal of basketball teams is to win games. How would that help?

Clearly, the answer is that every goal made by an Asian player should earn 1 additional point.

And every Asian politician should have 10% of the vote added to them automatically since they would benefit the most and this would have the most impact. The underrepresentation of Asians on the fcps school board is unbelievably low as in "0" and I believe the county's Asian student population is 20%. So, under the SJW's equity arguments, Asians should make up 20% of the school board members.

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Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

False. Progressives want equitable opportunities. Which is precisely what this is.

But misrepresenting the goals of progressives is probably a good strategy for winning points from the folks here who think that only Asians care about education.

That's not what equity means in progressive parlance. Equity is *what you have*, meaning privileges. They are not just after equal opportunity. Here it is straight for the horse's mouth:

http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/equity-vs-equality-eliminating-opportunity-gaps-education/

As shown in the illustrative cartoon at the top, it's not that they want to give every child the opportunity to build their own box if they need it. No. It's that they want two boxes to be provided to that one child, at the expense of the other child.

If you can look at that picture and not conclude that the best thing to do is give two boxes to the short kid so everyone can see, no one should ever let you anywhere near children. That’s Child Protective Services level of psychopathy.

The problem is - what do you do if there are only two boxes? In your world, you give it to the short kid and the expense of the taller kid because he has "height privilege" and so did his ancestors so tough luck for him even though now he can't see because we are taking his box away.

If there are two boxes, you do what you can to make sure that at least one additional kid can see. In this example, there's no inherently greater value to helping either of the two other kids, so you pick one and try to find another box.

Advocates for the previous status quo would give the tallest kid a box and save the other two in case more tall kids showed up.

If they own the box, they should keep it and not have it taken away because some SJWs decide otherwise.

Ah... but they do not own the box. They just historically have received the vast majority of the boxes. And they've recognized that the boxes are probably more useful to the short kids than the tall kids, whose outcomes won't be impacted nearly as much.

Hey, Asians are the shortest on average and whites/blacks are the tallest on average.

Under PP's logic, Asians should get automatic 10 inches added to their height for selecting of basketball teams. They need it the most and would have the greatest impact.

The goal of the boxes is to help kids see the baseball game.

The goal of basketball teams is to win games. How would that help?

You are an idiot - goal of the boxes is to give a "boost" to the kids so the kids can fully engage and take advantage of the boosted situation, not just to enable them to see a game.

Goal of the governor's school in STEM is to select the best STEM students and give them the best elite education in STEM so that the entire State/country will benefit. What good is it to allow above average students into such a school if they cannot "win" as in take advantage of the advanced courses, take advantage of the advanced equipment, take advantage of elite academic teams, take advantage of advanced research etc.?

Let’s see…

Basically every major company in the DC area has a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiative - irrespective of industry. Recognizing the value of not only hiring workers from diverse backgrounds, but in promoting LEADERS from those backgrounds as well.

They’re doing just fine.

Why? Because there are far more individuals who are highly qualified to do those jobs than there are people to fill them - and because companies gain inherent value both in the public and in their decision rooms from having diverse perspectives to hear from.

The same is the case for applicants to TJ. As much as regressives want to pretend that the kids who get selected to go to TJ every year are a cut above the rest, the reality is that there are a few who are - but that there are far more who are basically in the same realm as a thousand who don’t get selected.

So what has FCPS decided? They’ve decided that a slightly different balance of voices in the classroom - yes from a racial perspective but more importantly from a socioeconomic and experiential perspective - than a few extra points on a problem-solving creativity exam that someone told the kids how to solve.

Everything else you've typed can be discussed, debated, etc. What's clearly evil and wrong is that you admit the new policy to be racist yet you support it.

Creating additional diversity based on race is the OPPOSITE of racism. Disagreeing with that reality equates to a loss of credibility.

I am sure your lawyers said this line in court - and lost. because an argument is looked at in the entirety and context of the discussion. doesn't seems like you have the intelligence to understand. much less credibility.

If you artificially engineer admissions to ensure that kids whom you don’t think can be admitted on the merits are admitted, while excluding others on the basis of their race (using address as a proxy), it’s a racist policy.

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Your definition of merit includes “ my parents could afford housing in good school districts and tutoring to supplement said schooling” that’s not true merit.

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Your definition of merit includes “ my parents could afford housing in good school districts and tutoring to supplement said schooling” that’s not true merit.

Except even poor Asian kids get good test scores, including impoverished towns in China. Hmmm... head scratcher

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Anomalies don’t remove the overall trend. Socio-economic status is directly correlated to academic achievement metrics overall. Every study concludes that.

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Anomalies don’t remove the overall trend. Socio-economic status is directly correlated to academic achievement metrics overall. Every study concludes that.

Dumb people tend to be poor so I don't see what the mystery there is. You can cut them a check for 1 billion and they'd then just be a dumb person with a lot of money. Doesn't mean they should go to TJ

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Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

False. Progressives want equitable opportunities. Which is precisely what this is.

But misrepresenting the goals of progressives is probably a good strategy for winning points from the folks here who think that only Asians care about education.

That's not what equity means in progressive parlance. Equity is *what you have*, meaning privileges. They are not just after equal opportunity. Here it is straight for the horse's mouth:

http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/equity-vs-equality-eliminating-opportunity-gaps-education/

As shown in the illustrative cartoon at the top, it's not that they want to give every child the opportunity to build their own box if they need it. No. It's that they want two boxes to be provided to that one child, at the expense of the other child.

If you can look at that picture and not conclude that the best thing to do is give two boxes to the short kid so everyone can see, no one should ever let you anywhere near children. That’s Child Protective Services level of psychopathy.

The problem is - what do you do if there are only two boxes? In your world, you give it to the short kid and the expense of the taller kid because he has "height privilege" and so did his ancestors so tough luck for him even though now he can't see because we are taking his box away.

If there are two boxes, you do what you can to make sure that at least one additional kid can see. In this example, there's no inherently greater value to helping either of the two other kids, so you pick one and try to find another box.

Advocates for the previous status quo would give the tallest kid a box and save the other two in case more tall kids showed up.

If they own the box, they should keep it and not have it taken away because some SJWs decide otherwise.

Ah... but they do not own the box. They just historically have received the vast majority of the boxes. And they've recognized that the boxes are probably more useful to the short kids than the tall kids, whose outcomes won't be impacted nearly as much.

Hey, Asians are the shortest on average and whites/blacks are the tallest on average.

Under PP's logic, Asians should get automatic 10 inches added to their height for selecting of basketball teams. They need it the most and would have the greatest impact.

The goal of the boxes is to help kids see the baseball game.

The goal of basketball teams is to win games. How would that help?

You are an idiot - goal of the boxes is to give a "boost" to the kids so the kids can fully engage and take advantage of the boosted situation, not just to enable them to see a game.

Goal of the governor's school in STEM is to select the best STEM students and give them the best elite education in STEM so that the entire State/country will benefit. What good is it to allow above average students into such a school if they cannot "win" as in take advantage of the advanced courses, take advantage of the advanced equipment, take advantage of elite academic teams, take advantage of advanced research etc.?

Let’s see…

Basically every major company in the DC area has a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiative - irrespective of industry. Recognizing the value of not only hiring workers from diverse backgrounds, but in promoting LEADERS from those backgrounds as well.

They’re doing just fine.

Why? Because there are far more individuals who are highly qualified to do those jobs than there are people to fill them - and because companies gain inherent value both in the public and in their decision rooms from having diverse perspectives to hear from.

The same is the case for applicants to TJ. As much as regressives want to pretend that the kids who get selected to go to TJ every year are a cut above the rest, the reality is that there are a few who are - but that there are far more who are basically in the same realm as a thousand who don’t get selected.

So what has FCPS decided? They’ve decided that a slightly different balance of voices in the classroom - yes from a racial perspective but more importantly from a socioeconomic and experiential perspective - than a few extra points on a problem-solving creativity exam that someone told the kids how to solve.

Agree completely.

And when you look at total #s, the number of Asians at TJ today is actually higher than it was just a few years ago.

And we have:
142 more kids from underrepresented MSs
36 fewer kids from private schools
42 fewer kids from feeder MSs

Wrong. Asians were reduced in percentage by deliberate discriminatory action. That's what the discussion, lawsuit and judgment has been about.

The % decreased because they added more seats.

Go visit TJ tomorrow. There are more Asian students on campus than there were a few years ago.

Wrong. Asians were reduced in percentage by deliberate discriminatory action. From previous incoming class vs current incoming class - percentage down, number also down. That's what the discussion, lawsuit and judgment has been about.

Right, but we need to put it in perspective. There are a high # of Asian students at TJ today. Even higher than a few years ago. And we’ve added seats to allow more paths to TJ.

I see that as a win.

Yet again, you seem to be under the impression that an wrongful action is a "win" just because it has some of the outcomes you seem to like, as if the racist part of the equation is just some unintended collateral damage in our pursuit for a greater good. If you are willing to justify racist discrimination in order to achieve a result, then you are no where near that greater good.

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Anonymous wrote:…to ensure that each public middle school that is eligible to send students to attend such Governor's school offers coursework, curriculum, and instruction that is comparable in content and in rigor in order to provide each student in each such middle school with the opportunity to gain admission to and excel academically at such Governor's school. [

Does this mean that all MSs have to offer the exact same course offerings?

Read one way, this clause could represent a big win for progressives.

No, it certainly isn't. Progressives want equitable outcomes regardless of individual choices. Offering these classes only avail the students to the classes. It would still be up to the students to meet the prerequisites and take the actual classes.

False. Progressives want equitable opportunities. Which is precisely what this is.

But misrepresenting the goals of progressives is probably a good strategy for winning points from the folks here who think that only Asians care about education.

That's not what equity means in progressive parlance. Equity is *what you have*, meaning privileges. They are not just after equal opportunity. Here it is straight for the horse's mouth:

http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/equity-vs-equality-eliminating-opportunity-gaps-education/

As shown in the illustrative cartoon at the top, it's not that they want to give every child the opportunity to build their own box if they need it. No. It's that they want two boxes to be provided to that one child, at the expense of the other child.

If you can look at that picture and not conclude that the best thing to do is give two boxes to the short kid so everyone can see, no one should ever let you anywhere near children. That’s Child Protective Services level of psychopathy.

The problem is - what do you do if there are only two boxes? In your world, you give it to the short kid and the expense of the taller kid because he has "height privilege" and so did his ancestors so tough luck for him even though now he can't see because we are taking his box away.

If there are two boxes, you do what you can to make sure that at least one additional kid can see. In this example, there's no inherently greater value to helping either of the two other kids, so you pick one and try to find another box.

Advocates for the previous status quo would give the tallest kid a box and save the other two in case more tall kids showed up.

If they own the box, they should keep it and not have it taken away because some SJWs decide otherwise.

Ah... but they do not own the box. They just historically have received the vast majority of the boxes. And they've recognized that the boxes are probably more useful to the short kids than the tall kids, whose outcomes won't be impacted nearly as much.

Hey, Asians are the shortest on average and whites/blacks are the tallest on average.

Under PP's logic, Asians should get automatic 10 inches added to their height for selecting of basketball teams. They need it the most and would have the greatest impact.

The goal of the boxes is to help kids see the baseball game.

The goal of basketball teams is to win games. How would that help?

You are an idiot - goal of the boxes is to give a "boost" to the kids so the kids can fully engage and take advantage of the boosted situation, not just to enable them to see a game.

Goal of the governor's school in STEM is to select the best STEM students and give them the best elite education in STEM so that the entire State/country will benefit. What good is it to allow above average students into such a school if they cannot "win" as in take advantage of the advanced courses, take advantage of the advanced equipment, take advantage of elite academic teams, take advantage of advanced research etc.?

Let’s see…

Basically every major company in the DC area has a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiative - irrespective of industry. Recognizing the value of not only hiring workers from diverse backgrounds, but in promoting LEADERS from those backgrounds as well.

They’re doing just fine.

Why? Because there are far more individuals who are highly qualified to do those jobs than there are people to fill them - and because companies gain inherent value both in the public and in their decision rooms from having diverse perspectives to hear from.

The same is the case for applicants to TJ. As much as regressives want to pretend that the kids who get selected to go to TJ every year are a cut above the rest, the reality is that there are a few who are - but that there are far more who are basically in the same realm as a thousand who don’t get selected.

So what has FCPS decided? They’ve decided that a slightly different balance of voices in the classroom - yes from a racial perspective but more importantly from a socioeconomic and experiential perspective - than a few extra points on a problem-solving creativity exam that someone told the kids how to solve.

Agree completely.

And when you look at total #s, the number of Asians at TJ today is actually higher than it was just a few years ago.

And we have:
142 more kids from underrepresented MSs
36 fewer kids from private schools
42 fewer kids from feeder MSs

Wrong. Asians were reduced in percentage by deliberate discriminatory action. That's what the discussion, lawsuit and judgment has been about.

The % decreased because they added more seats.

Go visit TJ tomorrow. There are more Asian students on campus than there were a few years ago.

Wrong. Asians were reduced in percentage by deliberate discriminatory action. From previous incoming class vs current incoming class - percentage down, number also down. That's what the discussion, lawsuit and judgment has been about.

Right, but we need to put it in perspective. There are a high # of Asian students at TJ today. Even higher than a few years ago. And we’ve added seats to allow more paths to TJ.

I see that as a win.

Yet again, you seem to be under the impression that an wrongful action is a "win" just because it has some of the outcomes you seem to like, as if the racist part of the equation is just some unintended collateral damage in our pursuit for a greater good. If you are willing to justify racist discrimination in order to achieve a result, then you are no where near that greater good.

I have an issue with the language of the school board members but the admission process itself is a step in the right direction to open up TJ to untapped STEM talent.

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Anomalies don’t remove the overall trend. Socio-economic status is directly correlated to academic achievement metrics overall. Every study concludes that.

Stuyvesant in nyc is 75% Asians and most of them are dirt poor. Another inconvenient truth.