Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many bots posting nonsensical Russian propaganda on this thread it should probably be shut down.

I am the OP of this thread. I agree: my thread certainly has drawn the Russian bots and trolls out from under their bridges.

It is laughably sad how much false Russian propaganda they post. The most laughable is the claim the Ukrainian counter offensive is over. Hardly!

Over 90% of the Russian forces in Ukraine are now dedicated to the defensive lines, while only 25% of Ukraine’s dedicated offensive force has taken part so far in minor probing actions.

Also, the reality is the size and duration (6 hours plus) of the secondaries at the Rykove (Partyzany) ammo depot argue the Ukrainian long-range strike hit a RuAF theater level ammo storage depot.

Theater-level ammo storage depot. Let that sink in for a moment.

Russia should just go home now, before they suffer an inevitable, humiliating defeat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many bots posting nonsensical Russian propaganda on this thread it should probably be shut down.

Just because people express legitimate concerns about the outcome of this war does not mean they are bots or trolls. People beginning to see beyond mass media propaganda and what they see is not pretty or promising. We also now have a lot of people in DMV area who came under U4U program with the first hand experience in this war and their stories very often do not match what CNN tells us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Complete nonsense on this thread lately.

The Ukrainian counteroffensive is struggling. Yes, I hope everyone expected that. It doesn't mean the war is over. It doesn't mean Ukraine has to accept a peace treaty and give all those occupied lands to Russia.

It means the conflict will drag into next year, and possibly 2025. Just like intelligence services of every NATO country warned about. We knew. But the media always wants quick resolutions, and therefore is chomping at the bit. Don't fall for it. We're in this for the long-term.

No one expected this counteroffensive to struggle, you wouldn't do one if you did. Ukraine/NATO got too deep in their own propaganda and is no longer functioning on accurate information.

Whether NATO is willing to shoulder the financial, material, and political burden for two more years is open to debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many bots posting nonsensical Russian propaganda on this thread it should probably be shut down.

I am the OP of this thread. I agree: my thread certainly has drawn the Russian bots and trolls out from under their bridges.

It is laughably sad how much false Russian propaganda they post. The most laughable is the claim the Ukrainian counter offensive is over. Hardly!

Over 90% of the Russian forces in Ukraine are now dedicated to the defensive lines, while only 25% of Ukraine’s dedicated offensive force has taken part so far in minor probing actions.

Also, the reality is the size and duration (6 hours plus) of the secondaries at the Rykove (Partyzany) ammo depot argue the Ukrainian long-range strike hit a RuAF theater level ammo storage depot.

Theater-level ammo storage depot. Let that sink in for a moment.

Russia should just go home now, before they suffer an inevitable, humiliating defeat.

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What Russia should do and what they will actually do are two different stories. Russia is not going anywhere in the near future, so stop spreading this false narratives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many bots posting nonsensical Russian propaganda on this thread it should probably be shut down.

Just because people express legitimate concerns about the outcome of this war does not mean they are bots or trolls. People beginning to see beyond mass media propaganda and what they see is not pretty or promising. We also now have a lot of people in DMV area who came under U4U program with the first hand experience in this war and their stories very often do not match what CNN tells us.

Max Boot wrote in the Post a month or so ago an article on tempering expectations on Ukraine’s then-upcoming counteroffensive. He’s always been the Pentagon’s media toady so if he’s not leading the cheerleading like he’s always done the past, things definitely are not all roses.

[Anonymous]

Looks like Zelensky is getting ready to play the last card he has, nuclear terrorism: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/06/22/ukraine-zelensky-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/

Ukraine and the media will dutifully blame this on Russia, without bothering to explain how this benefits Russia in the slightest. All a pre-text to get NATO and other western institutions to directly intervene.

Will the NATO public buy the story though? Or has the "people we want to go to war with always do something really dumb and counter-productive that justifies our intervention" trick work one more time?

[Anonymous]

Ironically the one highlight of the Russian military is digging trenches- the nazis learned this and Ukraine knows it. Without massive air power and artillery you have to literally be in close quarters or hand to hand combat; which is like the least fun thing for any military.

Ukraine is trying to figure out a plan b; almost a siege of epic scale.

[Anonymous]

This recent video rant by Prigozhin, combined with Girkin’s “we’ve lost” video, stand in stark contrast to the ridiculously false Kremlin propaganda about the so-called “special military operation” (it is a war), and how Russia is somehow “winning” when they are in fact losing.

These two are Russian nationalists, but also the most objective Russian commentators. They are both saying the war is lost, the commanders are incompetent and criminals, and a second Russian revolution, is inevitable.

If that second revolution starts, I would imagine several of the perimeter provinces are going to break away from Russia - either to finally get out from under the Tsarist / Kremlin boot or, at minimum, to distance themselves from Ukrainian war crime culpability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many bots posting nonsensical Russian propaganda on this thread it should probably be shut down.

I am the OP of this thread. I agree: my thread certainly has drawn the Russian bots and trolls out from under their bridges.

It is laughably sad how much false Russian propaganda they post. The most laughable is the claim the Ukrainian counter offensive is over. Hardly!

Over 90% of the Russian forces in Ukraine are now dedicated to the defensive lines, while only 25% of Ukraine’s dedicated offensive force has taken part so far in minor probing actions.

Also, the reality is the size and duration (6 hours plus) of the secondaries at the Rykove (Partyzany) ammo depot argue the Ukrainian long-range strike hit a RuAF theater level ammo storage depot.

Theater-level ammo storage depot. Let that sink in for a moment.

Russia should just go home now, before they suffer an inevitable, humiliating defeat.

There’s a lot of posts here, that once you’ve read about Russian propaganda techniques, are recognizable.

Whether it’s simply distracting a thread’s course, or the “firehose of propaganda”, or basically just trying to wear down readership until people give in, it’s all here. There’s historical revisionism. There’s folks saying they want “peace” which is a euphemism that means acceptance of annexation. There’s folks saying Ukraine is basically Russian anyway. Like all of it is funny. It’s prob a lot of bots and paid posters.

The problem, as well, is that mixed in with these bad faith actors are also simple, unwitting, most right-leaning, Tucker Carlson supporting types who would probably be at home in a Russian type society anyway. One where a homophobic, strongman, authoritarian dictator type of figure omnipotently suppresses the population and exploits orthodox religion and religious sentiment to advance policy.

The United States is particularly primed for this having such a large percentage of evangelicals and because they themselves have a natural proclivity for the “natural order” and the need to suppress out groups.

There is also a sort conspiracy theorist qanon contingent present in America. They all supporter trump for some reason. They usually have voiced strangely sympathetic comments for Russia.

This is a strange thread. You’d think most people would want to support the underdog and our European allies, but here we get bots, paid shills, fake peaceniks, and genuinely wing nut right wing radicals proclaiming to be “left wing pacifists”. Strange thread. Anyway, glad Congress is ignoring you fks and continues to do the right thing. Enjoy the Fox News koolaid, tools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Complete nonsense on this thread lately.

The Ukrainian counteroffensive is struggling. Yes, I hope everyone expected that. It doesn't mean the war is over. It doesn't mean Ukraine has to accept a peace treaty and give all those occupied lands to Russia.

It means the conflict will drag into next year, and possibly 2025. Just like intelligence services of every NATO country warned about. We knew. But the media always wants quick resolutions, and therefore is chomping at the bit. Don't fall for it. We're in this for the long-term.

No one expected this counteroffensive to struggle, you wouldn't do one if you did. Ukraine/NATO got too deep in their own propaganda and is no longer functioning on accurate information.

Whether NATO is willing to shoulder the financial, material, and political burden for two more years is open to debate.

Nonsense. War is not easy. And the overwhelming brunt of it is still on Ukraine. Russia is still the big dog in this fight even with the smattering of pieces of outdated hardware and tidbits of training and advice Ukraine has gotten from a few friends.

Your warped perspective is rooted entirely in the false Russian supposition that this is directly a war between Russia and NATO, which it is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This recent video rant by Prigozhin, combined with Girkin’s “we’ve lost” video, stand in stark contrast to the ridiculously false Kremlin propaganda about the so-called “special military operation” (it is a war), and how Russia is somehow “winning” when they are in fact losing.

These two are Russian nationalists, but also the most objective Russian commentators. They are both saying the war is lost, the commanders are incompetent and criminals, and a second Russian revolution, is inevitable.

If that second revolution starts, I would imagine several of the perimeter provinces are going to break away from Russia - either to finally get out from under the Tsarist / Kremlin boot or, at minimum, to distance themselves from Ukrainian war crime culpability.

Exactly. And Prigozhin and Girkin have spent vastly more time on the front to see what's going on with their own eyes than Putin, Shoigu or any of the propagandists have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many bots posting nonsensical Russian propaganda on this thread it should probably be shut down.

I am the OP of this thread. I agree: my thread certainly has drawn the Russian bots and trolls out from under their bridges.

It is laughably sad how much false Russian propaganda they post. The most laughable is the claim the Ukrainian counter offensive is over. Hardly!

Over 90% of the Russian forces in Ukraine are now dedicated to the defensive lines, while only 25% of Ukraine’s dedicated offensive force has taken part so far in minor probing actions.

Also, the reality is the size and duration (6 hours plus) of the secondaries at the Rykove (Partyzany) ammo depot argue the Ukrainian long-range strike hit a RuAF theater level ammo storage depot.

Theater-level ammo storage depot. Let that sink in for a moment.

Russia should just go home now, before they suffer an inevitable, humiliating defeat.

There’s a lot of posts here, that once you’ve read about Russian propaganda techniques, are recognizable.

Whether it’s simply distracting a thread’s course, or the “firehose of propaganda”, or basically just trying to wear down readership until people give in, it’s all here. There’s historical revisionism. There’s folks saying they want “peace” which is a euphemism that means acceptance of annexation. There’s folks saying Ukraine is basically Russian anyway. Like all of it is funny. It’s prob a lot of bots and paid posters.

The problem, as well, is that mixed in with these bad faith actors are also simple, unwitting, most right-leaning, Tucker Carlson supporting types who would probably be at home in a Russian type society anyway. One where a homophobic, strongman, authoritarian dictator type of figure omnipotently suppresses the population and exploits orthodox religion and religious sentiment to advance policy.

The United States is particularly primed for this having such a large percentage of evangelicals and because they themselves have a natural proclivity for the “natural order” and the need to suppress out groups.

There is also a sort conspiracy theorist qanon contingent present in America. They all supporter trump for some reason. They usually have voiced strangely sympathetic comments for Russia.

This is a strange thread. You’d think most people would want to support the underdog and our European allies, but here we get bots, paid shills, fake peaceniks, and genuinely wing nut right wing radicals proclaiming to be “left wing pacifists”. Strange thread. Anyway, glad Congress is ignoring you fks and continues to do the right thing. Enjoy the Fox News koolaid, tools.

Yes it's very strange when people for some unfathomable, unimaginable reason insist on having opinions of their own, instead of marching to your drum.

And if your benchmark of rectitude is the Congress....I weep for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Counter offensive is effectively over.

Whitehouse has a never ending money tree by depreciating all equipment to zero, retrospectively.

YOU, the us and European taxpayer are paying for this nonsensical war over a border region between Russia and a country with negligible history as an independent country in the last two hundred years.

Someone is making money/ who do you think?

Wow. Sure sounds like you are ambivalent about all this. Wonder why? Maybe because you’re a Russian propaganda bot or paid shill trying to lower overall morale. Putin’s admitted he wants to drag this out because he believes the west will get tired of it and move on.

You’d love that, wouldntcha? Imagine all the grain and the access to the Black Sea, etc Russia would gain from taking over Ukraine. Of course, you “just want peace” and “they’re all Russian speaking people anyway”. It’s not that you’re a sniveling coward or a shill or bot, but that you’re a peace monger simply interested in what’s best for everyone.

I am as American as apple pie.

I don’t want to be involved in foreign wars with a nuclear power where we don’t have a compelling national security interest. Especially where our proxy state is one of the most corrupt on earth.

Sorry not sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This recent video rant by Prigozhin, combined with Girkin’s “we’ve lost” video, stand in stark contrast to the ridiculously false Kremlin propaganda about the so-called “special military operation” (it is a war), and how Russia is somehow “winning” when they are in fact losing.

These two are Russian nationalists, but also the most objective Russian commentators. They are both saying the war is lost, the commanders are incompetent and criminals, and a second Russian revolution, is inevitable.

If that second revolution starts, I would imagine several of the perimeter provinces are going to break away from Russia - either to finally get out from under the Tsarist / Kremlin boot or, at minimum, to distance themselves from Ukrainian war crime culpability.

Exactly. And Prigozhin and Girkin have spent vastly more time on the front to see what's going on with their own eyes than Putin, Shoigu or any of the propagandists have.

They are factually correct to warn of a possible second Russian revolution looming, since economic collapse is not far off:

[Anonymous]

I’ve been following the situation all along and it’s such a strange lull that I see now, both in media and real life. I haven’t heard big news pointing to either side making gains. No news on the economic front for Russia as well (like there used to be each time a new wave of sanctions was passed). It is so surreal. I agree it will be a long conflict and probably the intensity will be down. I hope things improve for the ordinary people from both sides but I don’t have much hope