Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting reddit post from four months ago, but at that time it is hard to know if it is a PR plant (the same person posted the same comment a couple of times).The most interesting part to me is that Blake was talking about going to the NY Times months ago (prior to obtaining the text messages and evidence of smear campaign?)

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/5gDvrprhq8

Thanks, that was interesting. Really shows how insidious this all is.

If I'd read that first, when the Lively lawsuit story broke out I'd be primed to think "oh, I heard about that, he called her sexy and then she threatened to cry harassment if they didn't go with her edit." Most people won't read the full complaint or even articles, just headlines.

Having read this after I've seen the lawsuit, naturally I'm thinking "ok, he harassed her and they wanted to get ahead of the story and plant seeds of doubt for when the inevitable hit."

But which is right? I'm still tending to go with the second version, because the lawsuit literally cites texts from Abel and Nathan discussing getting ahead of the story and creating alternate theories using reddit, so that's more credible than an anonymous reddit poster (but of course, that poster is using a throwaway account because they are spilling inside dirt - which is both what an actual insider and a paid troll would do!).

These are some citations from her complaint that seem relevant. Of course, Baldoni may have some other compelling evidence that disputes this. We'll see.

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Blake-Lively-NY-Lawsuit.pdf

9. On July 31, 2024, following the recommendation of their publicist, Jennifer
Abel, Wayfarer and Mr. Baldoni retained a crisis communications specialist named Melissa
Nathan, and her company The Agency Group PR LLC (“TAG”). Ms. Nathan delivered a proposal
to Mr. Baldoni, which included “[a] website (to discuss), full reddit, full social account take downs,
full social crisis team on hand for anything – engage with audiences in the right way, start threads
of theories (discuss) this is the way to be fully 100% protected.” Ms. Nathan also proposed the
“creation of social fan engagement to go back and forth with any negative accounts, helping to
change [sic] narrative and stay on track.” Per Ms. Nathan, “All of this will be most importantly
untraceable.” As Ms. Abel described it, the plan was to engage in “social media mitigation and
proactive fan posting to counter the negative” as well as “social manipulation.”3

10. This plan went well beyond standard crisis PR. What Ms. Nathan proposed
included a practice known as “Astroturfing,” which has been defined as “the practice of publishing
opinions or comments on the internet, in the media, etc. that appear to come from ordinary
members of the public but actually come from a particular company or political group.”4

11. On August 2, 2024, TAG circulated a “SCENARIO PLANNING”
document to Mr. Baldoni, Mr. Heath, and others, which described preparations and strategy
“should [Ms. Lively] and her team make her grievances public” (the “Scenario Planning
Document”), and is attached hereto as Exhibit D. To “get ahead of this narrative,” Ms. Nathan’s
plan proposed strategies to advance misleading counternarratives, including pushing Ms. Nathan’s
narrative that Ms. Lively had “less than favorable reputation,” proposing to “explore planting
stories about the weaponization of feminism…,” and misleadingly blaming Ms. Lively for
production members’ job losses.

16. Ms. Abel responded that she had just “spoke[n] to Melissa about this…
about what we discussed last night for social and digital.” Ms. Abel added, “Focus on reddit,
TikTok, IG.” With reassurance that Ms. Lively would be “destroy[ed]” and “buried,” Wayfarer
Case 1:24-cv-10049 Document 1 Filed 12/31/24 Page 9 of 93Deadline

Yes, I hold skepticism based on the timing of the (repeatedly copied) post, but even if a PR planted/bought comment, the anticipation of a NYT story months before it actually happened and prior to evidence of texts, is just intriguing. Back then, would a NYT story have been the sexual harassment angle alone? Without evidence of a smear campaign? And/or a male director not listening to female cast perspective on a (female audience targeted) film about domestic violence, as evidence of misogyny?

DP to add that this poster and "insider scoop" very much appears to be a PR plant on Baldoni's behalf. That same comment was posted repeatedly and the account was created Aug 12, no posts since that time other than the same story repeatedly (even started a thread with it), and never again since Aug.

Heh, good catch.

Another interesting and sort of "eery" post from back in August. Talking about threatening to "Amber Heard" Blake but posted months before the nyt article. PR plant or insider from the Wayfarer company? I posted this one here before I think.

Another interesting and sort of "eery" post from back in August. Talking about threatening to "Amber Heard" Blake because of what she did to Baldoni, but posted months before the nyt article. PR plant or insider from the Wayfarer company who knew about the PR smear back then? I posted this one here before I think. On the same account, the person complained about financing Blake.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/87nzy7VX0t

That's just some random person on Reddit.

Agree this thread has officially jumped the shark.

Only now it jumped the shark, not after the misogynistic PP who called her a slut then an aging whore and fat? The one who Insinuated breastfeeding/pumping is sexual? The one who keeps referencing "Harvey's girl"? The homophobic post about RR?

Ok.

Well she is aging (like the rest of us). But she seems to have a delusional belief that she's still as hot as she was during Gossip Girl and is still "America's sweetheart." The America's sweetheart thing usually describes an actress in the early to mid-teenties not a married thirtysomething with four kids.

It was more the whore comment than the aging but ignore that part.

OK next time be more precise then. You sId it was the aging and the whore part.

You chose which part to comment on, only saying I thought it was odd that this was the part you took issue with. I was precise in quoting the person who posted "aging whore"

+1

I don't know if there is a name for this. It's similar to gaslighting but not quite, when the conversation goes like:
"You shouldn't call someone an aging whore."
"What do you mean? Of course she's aging and it's totally normal. Why would you have a problem with that?!"
"I meant the part about being an aging WHORE."
"Oh you weren't specific enough."

It's clearly not a conversation in good faith.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no doubt in my mind that someone from Blake’s team is working hard on this thread. A deep dive into Reddit posts? C’mon now.

No, not her team (just a mom who may spend more time in the FCPS forum) but after the nyt article broke spent some time trying to find planted posts
on reddit from August. Jeff has posted that he does not believe DCUM warrants Hollywood attention.

Maybe find a new hobby.

You too, DCUM is not particularly different and you don't seem unique in your use of it to put others down to make yourself feel good. Me too, guilty as charged.

Hey, it happened to the tech guy who deleted Hillary's emails.
This is an Entertainment thread. Spending pages analyzing random Reddit posts is killing this thread. Which I actually think is the point.

I fins the Reddit posts interesting. I legit did not know that Hollywood entertainment PR firms would use this. I thought of astroturfing as something done with covert dark money for influencing elections. It really opened my eyes and it is interesting to pick out likely astroturfed posts from when this went down.

That is the most interesting part of this entire case. Hate Blake, but it is why I believe that however she is personally or may come off, whether anyone believes her HR complaint is legit or not, she still may have a legal case for retaliation.

She would still have to link the Reddit posts to Baldoni or his PR reps. Good luck getting Reddit to reveal the identity of its users.

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She would still have to link the Reddit posts to Baldoni or his PR reps. Good luck getting Reddit to reveal the identity of its users.

It happened to the tech guy who deleted Hillary's emails. You never know.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting reddit post from four months ago, but at that time it is hard to know if it is a PR plant (the same person posted the same comment a couple of times).The most interesting part to me is that Blake was talking about going to the NY Times months ago (prior to obtaining the text messages and evidence of smear campaign?)

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/5gDvrprhq8

Thanks, that was interesting. Really shows how insidious this all is.

If I'd read that first, when the Lively lawsuit story broke out I'd be primed to think "oh, I heard about that, he called her sexy and then she threatened to cry harassment if they didn't go with her edit." Most people won't read the full complaint or even articles, just headlines.

Having read this after I've seen the lawsuit, naturally I'm thinking "ok, he harassed her and they wanted to get ahead of the story and plant seeds of doubt for when the inevitable hit."

But which is right? I'm still tending to go with the second version, because the lawsuit literally cites texts from Abel and Nathan discussing getting ahead of the story and creating alternate theories using reddit, so that's more credible than an anonymous reddit poster (but of course, that poster is using a throwaway account because they are spilling inside dirt - which is both what an actual insider and a paid troll would do!).

These are some citations from her complaint that seem relevant. Of course, Baldoni may have some other compelling evidence that disputes this. We'll see.

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Blake-Lively-NY-Lawsuit.pdf

9. On July 31, 2024, following the recommendation of their publicist, Jennifer
Abel, Wayfarer and Mr. Baldoni retained a crisis communications specialist named Melissa
Nathan, and her company The Agency Group PR LLC (“TAG”). Ms. Nathan delivered a proposal
to Mr. Baldoni, which included “[a] website (to discuss), full reddit, full social account take downs,
full social crisis team on hand for anything – engage with audiences in the right way, start threads
of theories (discuss) this is the way to be fully 100% protected.” Ms. Nathan also proposed the
“creation of social fan engagement to go back and forth with any negative accounts, helping to
change [sic] narrative and stay on track.” Per Ms. Nathan, “All of this will be most importantly
untraceable.” As Ms. Abel described it, the plan was to engage in “social media mitigation and
proactive fan posting to counter the negative” as well as “social manipulation.”3

10. This plan went well beyond standard crisis PR. What Ms. Nathan proposed
included a practice known as “Astroturfing,” which has been defined as “the practice of publishing
opinions or comments on the internet, in the media, etc. that appear to come from ordinary
members of the public but actually come from a particular company or political group.”4

11. On August 2, 2024, TAG circulated a “SCENARIO PLANNING”
document to Mr. Baldoni, Mr. Heath, and others, which described preparations and strategy
“should [Ms. Lively] and her team make her grievances public” (the “Scenario Planning
Document”), and is attached hereto as Exhibit D. To “get ahead of this narrative,” Ms. Nathan’s
plan proposed strategies to advance misleading counternarratives, including pushing Ms. Nathan’s
narrative that Ms. Lively had “less than favorable reputation,” proposing to “explore planting
stories about the weaponization of feminism…,” and misleadingly blaming Ms. Lively for
production members’ job losses.

16. Ms. Abel responded that she had just “spoke[n] to Melissa about this…
about what we discussed last night for social and digital.” Ms. Abel added, “Focus on reddit,
TikTok, IG.” With reassurance that Ms. Lively would be “destroy[ed]” and “buried,” Wayfarer
Case 1:24-cv-10049 Document 1 Filed 12/31/24 Page 9 of 93Deadline

Yes, I hold skepticism based on the timing of the (repeatedly copied) post, but even if a PR planted/bought comment, the anticipation of a NYT story months before it actually happened and prior to evidence of texts, is just intriguing. Back then, would a NYT story have been the sexual harassment angle alone? Without evidence of a smear campaign? And/or a male director not listening to female cast perspective on a (female audience targeted) film about domestic violence, as evidence of misogyny?

DP to add that this poster and "insider scoop" very much appears to be a PR plant on Baldoni's behalf. That same comment was posted repeatedly and the account was created Aug 12, no posts since that time other than the same story repeatedly (even started a thread with it), and never again since Aug.

Heh, good catch.

Another interesting and sort of "eery" post from back in August. Talking about threatening to "Amber Heard" Blake but posted months before the nyt article. PR plant or insider from the Wayfarer company? I posted this one here before I think.

Another interesting and sort of "eery" post from back in August. Talking about threatening to "Amber Heard" Blake because of what she did to Baldoni, but posted months before the nyt article. PR plant or insider from the Wayfarer company who knew about the PR smear back then? I posted this one here before I think. On the same account, the person complained about financing Blake.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/87nzy7VX0t

That's just some random person on Reddit.

Agree this thread has officially jumped the shark.

Only now it jumped the shark, not after the misogynistic PP who called her a slut then an aging whore and fat? The one who Insinuated breastfeeding/pumping is sexual? The one who keeps referencing "Harvey's girl"? The homophobic post about RR?

Ok.

Well she is aging (like the rest of us). But she seems to have a delusional belief that she's still as hot as she was during Gossip Girl and is still "America's sweetheart." The America's sweetheart thing usually describes an actress in the early to mid-teenties not a married thirtysomething with four kids.

It was more the whore comment than the aging but ignore that part.

OK next time be more precise then. You sId it was the aging and the whore part.

You chose which part to comment on, only saying I thought it was odd that this was the part you took issue with. I was precise in quoting the person who posted "aging whore"

+1

I don't know if there is a name for this. It's similar to gaslighting but not quite, when the conversation goes like:
"You shouldn't call someone an aging whore."
"What do you mean? Of course she's aging and it's totally normal. Why would you have a problem with that?!"
"I meant the part about being an aging WHORE."
"Oh you weren't specific enough."

It's clearly not a conversation in good faith.

If it makes you feel any better I think she was pretty slutty in the past. She allegedly sent naked photos to Ben Affleck after she worked with him in The Town. Jennifer Garner found the photos and released them. There is my "good faith" opinion.

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She would still have to link the Reddit posts to Baldoni or his PR reps. Good luck getting Reddit to reveal the identity of its users.

It happened to the tech guy who deleted Hillary's emails. You never know.

Ok well good luck to her team with that

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting reddit post from four months ago, but at that time it is hard to know if it is a PR plant (the same person posted the same comment a couple of times).The most interesting part to me is that Blake was talking about going to the NY Times months ago (prior to obtaining the text messages and evidence of smear campaign?)

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/5gDvrprhq8

Thanks, that was interesting. Really shows how insidious this all is.

If I'd read that first, when the Lively lawsuit story broke out I'd be primed to think "oh, I heard about that, he called her sexy and then she threatened to cry harassment if they didn't go with her edit." Most people won't read the full complaint or even articles, just headlines.

Having read this after I've seen the lawsuit, naturally I'm thinking "ok, he harassed her and they wanted to get ahead of the story and plant seeds of doubt for when the inevitable hit."

But which is right? I'm still tending to go with the second version, because the lawsuit literally cites texts from Abel and Nathan discussing getting ahead of the story and creating alternate theories using reddit, so that's more credible than an anonymous reddit poster (but of course, that poster is using a throwaway account because they are spilling inside dirt - which is both what an actual insider and a paid troll would do!).

These are some citations from her complaint that seem relevant. Of course, Baldoni may have some other compelling evidence that disputes this. We'll see.

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Blake-Lively-NY-Lawsuit.pdf

9. On July 31, 2024, following the recommendation of their publicist, Jennifer
Abel, Wayfarer and Mr. Baldoni retained a crisis communications specialist named Melissa
Nathan, and her company The Agency Group PR LLC (“TAG”). Ms. Nathan delivered a proposal
to Mr. Baldoni, which included “[a] website (to discuss), full reddit, full social account take downs,
full social crisis team on hand for anything – engage with audiences in the right way, start threads
of theories (discuss) this is the way to be fully 100% protected.” Ms. Nathan also proposed the
“creation of social fan engagement to go back and forth with any negative accounts, helping to
change [sic] narrative and stay on track.” Per Ms. Nathan, “All of this will be most importantly
untraceable.” As Ms. Abel described it, the plan was to engage in “social media mitigation and
proactive fan posting to counter the negative” as well as “social manipulation.”3

10. This plan went well beyond standard crisis PR. What Ms. Nathan proposed
included a practice known as “Astroturfing,” which has been defined as “the practice of publishing
opinions or comments on the internet, in the media, etc. that appear to come from ordinary
members of the public but actually come from a particular company or political group.”4

11. On August 2, 2024, TAG circulated a “SCENARIO PLANNING”
document to Mr. Baldoni, Mr. Heath, and others, which described preparations and strategy
“should [Ms. Lively] and her team make her grievances public” (the “Scenario Planning
Document”), and is attached hereto as Exhibit D. To “get ahead of this narrative,” Ms. Nathan’s
plan proposed strategies to advance misleading counternarratives, including pushing Ms. Nathan’s
narrative that Ms. Lively had “less than favorable reputation,” proposing to “explore planting
stories about the weaponization of feminism…,” and misleadingly blaming Ms. Lively for
production members’ job losses.

16. Ms. Abel responded that she had just “spoke[n] to Melissa about this…
about what we discussed last night for social and digital.” Ms. Abel added, “Focus on reddit,
TikTok, IG.” With reassurance that Ms. Lively would be “destroy[ed]” and “buried,” Wayfarer
Case 1:24-cv-10049 Document 1 Filed 12/31/24 Page 9 of 93Deadline

Yes, I hold skepticism based on the timing of the (repeatedly copied) post, but even if a PR planted/bought comment, the anticipation of a NYT story months before it actually happened and prior to evidence of texts, is just intriguing. Back then, would a NYT story have been the sexual harassment angle alone? Without evidence of a smear campaign? And/or a male director not listening to female cast perspective on a (female audience targeted) film about domestic violence, as evidence of misogyny?

DP to add that this poster and "insider scoop" very much appears to be a PR plant on Baldoni's behalf. That same comment was posted repeatedly and the account was created Aug 12, no posts since that time other than the same story repeatedly (even started a thread with it), and never again since Aug.

Heh, good catch.

Another interesting and sort of "eery" post from back in August. Talking about threatening to "Amber Heard" Blake but posted months before the nyt article. PR plant or insider from the Wayfarer company? I posted this one here before I think.

Another interesting and sort of "eery" post from back in August. Talking about threatening to "Amber Heard" Blake because of what she did to Baldoni, but posted months before the nyt article. PR plant or insider from the Wayfarer company who knew about the PR smear back then? I posted this one here before I think. On the same account, the person complained about financing Blake.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/87nzy7VX0t

That's just some random person on Reddit.

Agree this thread has officially jumped the shark.

Only now it jumped the shark, not after the misogynistic PP who called her a slut then an aging whore and fat? The one who Insinuated breastfeeding/pumping is sexual? The one who keeps referencing "Harvey's girl"? The homophobic post about RR?

Ok.

Well she is aging (like the rest of us). But she seems to have a delusional belief that she's still as hot as she was during Gossip Girl and is still "America's sweetheart." The America's sweetheart thing usually describes an actress in the early to mid-teenties not a married thirtysomething with four kids.

It was more the whore comment than the aging but ignore that part.

OK next time be more precise then. You sId it was the aging and the whore part.

You chose which part to comment on, only saying I thought it was odd that this was the part you took issue with. I was precise in quoting the person who posted "aging whore"

+1

I don't know if there is a name for this. It's similar to gaslighting but not quite, when the conversation goes like:
"You shouldn't call someone an aging whore."
"What do you mean? Of course she's aging and it's totally normal. Why would you have a problem with that?!"
"I meant the part about being an aging WHORE."
"Oh you weren't specific enough."

It's clearly not a conversation in good faith.

If it makes you feel any better I think she was pretty slutty in the past. She allegedly sent naked photos to Ben Affleck after she worked with him in The Town. Jennifer Garner found the photos and released them. There is my "good faith" opinion.

Yes, thank you. That's extremely useful information.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting reddit post from four months ago, but at that time it is hard to know if it is a PR plant (the same person posted the same comment a couple of times).The most interesting part to me is that Blake was talking about going to the NY Times months ago (prior to obtaining the text messages and evidence of smear campaign?)

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/5gDvrprhq8

Thanks, that was interesting. Really shows how insidious this all is.

If I'd read that first, when the Lively lawsuit story broke out I'd be primed to think "oh, I heard about that, he called her sexy and then she threatened to cry harassment if they didn't go with her edit." Most people won't read the full complaint or even articles, just headlines.

Having read this after I've seen the lawsuit, naturally I'm thinking "ok, he harassed her and they wanted to get ahead of the story and plant seeds of doubt for when the inevitable hit."

But which is right? I'm still tending to go with the second version, because the lawsuit literally cites texts from Abel and Nathan discussing getting ahead of the story and creating alternate theories using reddit, so that's more credible than an anonymous reddit poster (but of course, that poster is using a throwaway account because they are spilling inside dirt - which is both what an actual insider and a paid troll would do!).

These are some citations from her complaint that seem relevant. Of course, Baldoni may have some other compelling evidence that disputes this. We'll see.

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Blake-Lively-NY-Lawsuit.pdf

9. On July 31, 2024, following the recommendation of their publicist, Jennifer
Abel, Wayfarer and Mr. Baldoni retained a crisis communications specialist named Melissa
Nathan, and her company The Agency Group PR LLC (“TAG”). Ms. Nathan delivered a proposal
to Mr. Baldoni, which included “[a] website (to discuss), full reddit, full social account take downs,
full social crisis team on hand for anything – engage with audiences in the right way, start threads
of theories (discuss) this is the way to be fully 100% protected.” Ms. Nathan also proposed the
“creation of social fan engagement to go back and forth with any negative accounts, helping to
change [sic] narrative and stay on track.” Per Ms. Nathan, “All of this will be most importantly
untraceable.” As Ms. Abel described it, the plan was to engage in “social media mitigation and
proactive fan posting to counter the negative” as well as “social manipulation.”3

10. This plan went well beyond standard crisis PR. What Ms. Nathan proposed
included a practice known as “Astroturfing,” which has been defined as “the practice of publishing
opinions or comments on the internet, in the media, etc. that appear to come from ordinary
members of the public but actually come from a particular company or political group.”4

11. On August 2, 2024, TAG circulated a “SCENARIO PLANNING”
document to Mr. Baldoni, Mr. Heath, and others, which described preparations and strategy
“should [Ms. Lively] and her team make her grievances public” (the “Scenario Planning
Document”), and is attached hereto as Exhibit D. To “get ahead of this narrative,” Ms. Nathan’s
plan proposed strategies to advance misleading counternarratives, including pushing Ms. Nathan’s
narrative that Ms. Lively had “less than favorable reputation,” proposing to “explore planting
stories about the weaponization of feminism…,” and misleadingly blaming Ms. Lively for
production members’ job losses.

16. Ms. Abel responded that she had just “spoke[n] to Melissa about this…
about what we discussed last night for social and digital.” Ms. Abel added, “Focus on reddit,
TikTok, IG.” With reassurance that Ms. Lively would be “destroy[ed]” and “buried,” Wayfarer
Case 1:24-cv-10049 Document 1 Filed 12/31/24 Page 9 of 93Deadline

Yes, I hold skepticism based on the timing of the (repeatedly copied) post, but even if a PR planted/bought comment, the anticipation of a NYT story months before it actually happened and prior to evidence of texts, is just intriguing. Back then, would a NYT story have been the sexual harassment angle alone? Without evidence of a smear campaign? And/or a male director not listening to female cast perspective on a (female audience targeted) film about domestic violence, as evidence of misogyny?

DP to add that this poster and "insider scoop" very much appears to be a PR plant on Baldoni's behalf. That same comment was posted repeatedly and the account was created Aug 12, no posts since that time other than the same story repeatedly (even started a thread with it), and never again since Aug.

Heh, good catch.

Another interesting and sort of "eery" post from back in August. Talking about threatening to "Amber Heard" Blake but posted months before the nyt article. PR plant or insider from the Wayfarer company? I posted this one here before I think.

Another interesting and sort of "eery" post from back in August. Talking about threatening to "Amber Heard" Blake because of what she did to Baldoni, but posted months before the nyt article. PR plant or insider from the Wayfarer company who knew about the PR smear back then? I posted this one here before I think. On the same account, the person complained about financing Blake.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/87nzy7VX0t

That's just some random person on Reddit.

Agree this thread has officially jumped the shark.

Only now it jumped the shark, not after the misogynistic PP who called her a slut then an aging whore and fat? The one who Insinuated breastfeeding/pumping is sexual? The one who keeps referencing "Harvey's girl"? The homophobic post about RR?

Ok.

Well she is aging (like the rest of us). But she seems to have a delusional belief that she's still as hot as she was during Gossip Girl and is still "America's sweetheart." The America's sweetheart thing usually describes an actress in the early to mid-teenties not a married thirtysomething with four kids.

It was more the whore comment than the aging but ignore that part.

OK next time be more precise then. You sId it was the aging and the whore part.

You chose which part to comment on, only saying I thought it was odd that this was the part you took issue with. I was precise in quoting the person who posted "aging whore"

+1

I don't know if there is a name for this. It's similar to gaslighting but not quite, when the conversation goes like:
"You shouldn't call someone an aging whore."
"What do you mean? Of course she's aging and it's totally normal. Why would you have a problem with that?!"
"I meant the part about being an aging WHORE."
"Oh you weren't specific enough."

It's clearly not a conversation in good faith.

If it makes you feel any better I think she was pretty slutty in the past. She allegedly sent naked photos to Ben Affleck after she worked with him in The Town. Jennifer Garner found the photos and released them. There is my "good faith" opinion.

We're back to slut shaming. Which matters not at all in a court which will ultimately decide who is right. Not paid internet trolls.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/blakelivelysnark/comments/1ey5edl/blake_cheating_with_both_ben_affleck_and_ryan/

For completeness here is a link to a Reddit post about Blake and Ben Affleck.

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I keep hearing that all the cast members turned against Justin, but then I just found out that the guy who played Jenny slate’s husband in the film was the one who presented Justin an award earlier this month and said some really nice things about him.

I'm not sure if you mean December or January, but what I found on google is Baldoni received an award (for solidarity with women! hmmm, wonder how that came about...) on December 9 presented by Hasan Minhaj, who appears in the movie. That award was given prior to Lively's complaint and was subsequently rescinded.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyvz4rvvpyo

Finally, reading that the only complaint that the young woman who played the young version of Blake had was that Justin used the word hot after her seeing the scene where she lost her virginity. That is distasteful and cringe, but is it really sexual harassment?

I’m just wondering if there are other complaints from other staff members onset? That’s the only one I’ve seen.

Blake Lively's complaint references at least one other sexual harassment complaint lodged against Baldoni, but it's not clear whether it's that actress or someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/blakelivelysnark/comments/1ey5edl/blake_cheating_with_both_ben_affleck_and_ryan/

For completeness here is a link to a Reddit post about Blake and Ben Affleck.

Wow!!! Created August 9. Quelle surprise!

blakelivelysnark
Welcome to Blake Lively Snark, a community dedicated to unfiltered discussions about everything Blake Lively.

Created Aug 9, 2024

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/blakelivelysnark/comments/1ey5edl/blake_cheating_with_both_ben_affleck_and_ryan/

For completeness here is a link to a Reddit post about Blake and Ben Affleck.

Wow!!! Created August 9. Quelle surprise!

blakelivelysnark
Welcome to Blake Lively Snark, a community dedicated to unfiltered discussions about everything Blake Lively.

Created Aug 9, 2024

Maybe someone saw her in her florals and thought it would be fun to snark.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/blakelivelysnark/comments/1ey5edl/blake_cheating_with_both_ben_affleck_and_ryan/

For completeness here is a link to a Reddit post about Blake and Ben Affleck.

Irrelevant re liability of Baldoni.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/blakelivelysnark/comments/1ey5edl/blake_cheating_with_both_ben_affleck_and_ryan/

For completeness here is a link to a Reddit post about Blake and Ben Affleck.

Wow!!! Created August 9. Quelle surprise!

blakelivelysnark
Welcome to Blake Lively Snark, a community dedicated to unfiltered discussions about everything Blake Lively.

Created Aug 9, 2024

Maybe someone saw her in her florals and thought it would be fun to snark.

Yes, days after Nathan Abel sent a proposal about using reddit to turn the tide against Lively. Just a coincidence.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting reddit post from four months ago, but at that time it is hard to know if it is a PR plant (the same person posted the same comment a couple of times).The most interesting part to me is that Blake was talking about going to the NY Times months ago (prior to obtaining the text messages and evidence of smear campaign?)

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/5gDvrprhq8

Thanks, that was interesting. Really shows how insidious this all is.

If I'd read that first, when the Lively lawsuit story broke out I'd be primed to think "oh, I heard about that, he called her sexy and then she threatened to cry harassment if they didn't go with her edit." Most people won't read the full complaint or even articles, just headlines.

Having read this after I've seen the lawsuit, naturally I'm thinking "ok, he harassed her and they wanted to get ahead of the story and plant seeds of doubt for when the inevitable hit."

But which is right? I'm still tending to go with the second version, because the lawsuit literally cites texts from Abel and Nathan discussing getting ahead of the story and creating alternate theories using reddit, so that's more credible than an anonymous reddit poster (but of course, that poster is using a throwaway account because they are spilling inside dirt - which is both what an actual insider and a paid troll would do!).

These are some citations from her complaint that seem relevant. Of course, Baldoni may have some other compelling evidence that disputes this. We'll see.

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Blake-Lively-NY-Lawsuit.pdf

9. On July 31, 2024, following the recommendation of their publicist, Jennifer
Abel, Wayfarer and Mr. Baldoni retained a crisis communications specialist named Melissa
Nathan, and her company The Agency Group PR LLC (“TAG”). Ms. Nathan delivered a proposal
to Mr. Baldoni, which included “[a] website (to discuss), full reddit, full social account take downs,
full social crisis team on hand for anything – engage with audiences in the right way, start threads
of theories (discuss) this is the way to be fully 100% protected.” Ms. Nathan also proposed the
“creation of social fan engagement to go back and forth with any negative accounts, helping to
change [sic] narrative and stay on track.” Per Ms. Nathan, “All of this will be most importantly
untraceable.” As Ms. Abel described it, the plan was to engage in “social media mitigation and
proactive fan posting to counter the negative” as well as “social manipulation.”3

10. This plan went well beyond standard crisis PR. What Ms. Nathan proposed
included a practice known as “Astroturfing,” which has been defined as “the practice of publishing
opinions or comments on the internet, in the media, etc. that appear to come from ordinary
members of the public but actually come from a particular company or political group.”4

11. On August 2, 2024, TAG circulated a “SCENARIO PLANNING”
document to Mr. Baldoni, Mr. Heath, and others, which described preparations and strategy
“should [Ms. Lively] and her team make her grievances public” (the “Scenario Planning
Document”), and is attached hereto as Exhibit D. To “get ahead of this narrative,” Ms. Nathan’s
plan proposed strategies to advance misleading counternarratives, including pushing Ms. Nathan’s
narrative that Ms. Lively had “less than favorable reputation,” proposing to “explore planting
stories about the weaponization of feminism…,” and misleadingly blaming Ms. Lively for
production members’ job losses.

16. Ms. Abel responded that she had just “spoke[n] to Melissa about this…
about what we discussed last night for social and digital.” Ms. Abel added, “Focus on reddit,
TikTok, IG.” With reassurance that Ms. Lively would be “destroy[ed]” and “buried,” Wayfarer
Case 1:24-cv-10049 Document 1 Filed 12/31/24 Page 9 of 93Deadline

Yes, I hold skepticism based on the timing of the (repeatedly copied) post, but even if a PR planted/bought comment, the anticipation of a NYT story months before it actually happened and prior to evidence of texts, is just intriguing. Back then, would a NYT story have been the sexual harassment angle alone? Without evidence of a smear campaign? And/or a male director not listening to female cast perspective on a (female audience targeted) film about domestic violence, as evidence of misogyny?

DP to add that this poster and "insider scoop" very much appears to be a PR plant on Baldoni's behalf. That same comment was posted repeatedly and the account was created Aug 12, no posts since that time other than the same story repeatedly (even started a thread with it), and never again since Aug.

Heh, good catch.

Another interesting and sort of "eery" post from back in August. Talking about threatening to "Amber Heard" Blake but posted months before the nyt article. PR plant or insider from the Wayfarer company? I posted this one here before I think.

Another interesting and sort of "eery" post from back in August. Talking about threatening to "Amber Heard" Blake because of what she did to Baldoni, but posted months before the nyt article. PR plant or insider from the Wayfarer company who knew about the PR smear back then? I posted this one here before I think. On the same account, the person complained about financing Blake.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/87nzy7VX0t

That's just some random person on Reddit.

Agree this thread has officially jumped the shark.

Only now it jumped the shark, not after the misogynistic PP who called her a slut then an aging whore and fat? The one who Insinuated breastfeeding/pumping is sexual? The one who keeps referencing "Harvey's girl"? The homophobic post about RR?

Ok.

Well she is aging (like the rest of us). But she seems to have a delusional belief that she's still as hot as she was during Gossip Girl and is still "America's sweetheart." The America's sweetheart thing usually describes an actress in the early to mid-teenties not a married thirtysomething with four kids.

It was more the whore comment than the aging but ignore that part.

OK next time be more precise then. You sId it was the aging and the whore part.

You chose which part to comment on, only saying I thought it was odd that this was the part you took issue with. I was precise in quoting the person who posted "aging whore"

+1

I don't know if there is a name for this. It's similar to gaslighting but not quite, when the conversation goes like:
"You shouldn't call someone an aging whore."
"What do you mean? Of course she's aging and it's totally normal. Why would you have a problem with that?!"
"I meant the part about being an aging WHORE."
"Oh you weren't specific enough."

It's clearly not a conversation in good faith.

If it makes you feel any better I think she was pretty slutty in the past. She allegedly sent naked photos to Ben Affleck after she worked with him in The Town. Jennifer Garner found the photos and released them. There is my "good faith" opinion.

Yes, thank you. That's extremely useful information.

Not actually information. Made up sh*t people post for clicks. Do you actually believe entertainment publications when they post this idiocy to sell magazines, etc?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting reddit post from four months ago, but at that time it is hard to know if it is a PR plant (the same person posted the same comment a couple of times).The most interesting part to me is that Blake was talking about going to the NY Times months ago (prior to obtaining the text messages and evidence of smear campaign?)

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/5gDvrprhq8

Thanks, that was interesting. Really shows how insidious this all is.

If I'd read that first, when the Lively lawsuit story broke out I'd be primed to think "oh, I heard about that, he called her sexy and then she threatened to cry harassment if they didn't go with her edit." Most people won't read the full complaint or even articles, just headlines.

Having read this after I've seen the lawsuit, naturally I'm thinking "ok, he harassed her and they wanted to get ahead of the story and plant seeds of doubt for when the inevitable hit."

But which is right? I'm still tending to go with the second version, because the lawsuit literally cites texts from Abel and Nathan discussing getting ahead of the story and creating alternate theories using reddit, so that's more credible than an anonymous reddit poster (but of course, that poster is using a throwaway account because they are spilling inside dirt - which is both what an actual insider and a paid troll would do!).

These are some citations from her complaint that seem relevant. Of course, Baldoni may have some other compelling evidence that disputes this. We'll see.

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Blake-Lively-NY-Lawsuit.pdf

9. On July 31, 2024, following the recommendation of their publicist, Jennifer
Abel, Wayfarer and Mr. Baldoni retained a crisis communications specialist named Melissa
Nathan, and her company The Agency Group PR LLC (“TAG”). Ms. Nathan delivered a proposal
to Mr. Baldoni, which included “[a] website (to discuss), full reddit, full social account take downs,
full social crisis team on hand for anything – engage with audiences in the right way, start threads
of theories (discuss) this is the way to be fully 100% protected.” Ms. Nathan also proposed the
“creation of social fan engagement to go back and forth with any negative accounts, helping to
change [sic] narrative and stay on track.” Per Ms. Nathan, “All of this will be most importantly
untraceable.” As Ms. Abel described it, the plan was to engage in “social media mitigation and
proactive fan posting to counter the negative” as well as “social manipulation.”3

10. This plan went well beyond standard crisis PR. What Ms. Nathan proposed
included a practice known as “Astroturfing,” which has been defined as “the practice of publishing
opinions or comments on the internet, in the media, etc. that appear to come from ordinary
members of the public but actually come from a particular company or political group.”4

11. On August 2, 2024, TAG circulated a “SCENARIO PLANNING”
document to Mr. Baldoni, Mr. Heath, and others, which described preparations and strategy
“should [Ms. Lively] and her team make her grievances public” (the “Scenario Planning
Document”), and is attached hereto as Exhibit D. To “get ahead of this narrative,” Ms. Nathan’s
plan proposed strategies to advance misleading counternarratives, including pushing Ms. Nathan’s
narrative that Ms. Lively had “less than favorable reputation,” proposing to “explore planting
stories about the weaponization of feminism…,” and misleadingly blaming Ms. Lively for
production members’ job losses.

16. Ms. Abel responded that she had just “spoke[n] to Melissa about this…
about what we discussed last night for social and digital.” Ms. Abel added, “Focus on reddit,
TikTok, IG.” With reassurance that Ms. Lively would be “destroy[ed]” and “buried,” Wayfarer
Case 1:24-cv-10049 Document 1 Filed 12/31/24 Page 9 of 93Deadline

Yes, I hold skepticism based on the timing of the (repeatedly copied) post, but even if a PR planted/bought comment, the anticipation of a NYT story months before it actually happened and prior to evidence of texts, is just intriguing. Back then, would a NYT story have been the sexual harassment angle alone? Without evidence of a smear campaign? And/or a male director not listening to female cast perspective on a (female audience targeted) film about domestic violence, as evidence of misogyny?

DP to add that this poster and "insider scoop" very much appears to be a PR plant on Baldoni's behalf. That same comment was posted repeatedly and the account was created Aug 12, no posts since that time other than the same story repeatedly (even started a thread with it), and never again since Aug.

Heh, good catch.

Another interesting and sort of "eery" post from back in August. Talking about threatening to "Amber Heard" Blake but posted months before the nyt article. PR plant or insider from the Wayfarer company? I posted this one here before I think.

Another interesting and sort of "eery" post from back in August. Talking about threatening to "Amber Heard" Blake because of what she did to Baldoni, but posted months before the nyt article. PR plant or insider from the Wayfarer company who knew about the PR smear back then? I posted this one here before I think. On the same account, the person complained about financing Blake.

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/87nzy7VX0t

That's just some random person on Reddit.

Agree this thread has officially jumped the shark.

Only now it jumped the shark, not after the misogynistic PP who called her a slut then an aging whore and fat? The one who Insinuated breastfeeding/pumping is sexual? The one who keeps referencing "Harvey's girl"? The homophobic post about RR?

Ok.

Well she is aging (like the rest of us). But she seems to have a delusional belief that she's still as hot as she was during Gossip Girl and is still "America's sweetheart." The America's sweetheart thing usually describes an actress in the early to mid-teenties not a married thirtysomething with four kids.

It was more the whore comment than the aging but ignore that part.

OK next time be more precise then. You sId it was the aging and the whore part.

You chose which part to comment on, only saying I thought it was odd that this was the part you took issue with. I was precise in quoting the person who posted "aging whore"

+1

I don't know if there is a name for this. It's similar to gaslighting but not quite, when the conversation goes like:
"You shouldn't call someone an aging whore."
"What do you mean? Of course she's aging and it's totally normal. Why would you have a problem with that?!"
"I meant the part about being an aging WHORE."
"Oh you weren't specific enough."

It's clearly not a conversation in good faith.

If it makes you feel any better I think she was pretty slutty in the past. She allegedly sent naked photos to Ben Affleck after she worked with him in The Town. Jennifer Garner found the photos and released them. There is my "good faith" opinion.

The use of the word "slut" belongs back in 1995. Please keep it there. I don't care if she did p*rn, still not calling a woman a slut.