ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The video proves that the ICE agent was struck by the victim’s vehicle. IMO, his actions were lawful. The disrespect the wife showed the agents and the victim’s refusal to follow orders may have led him to believe that the victim was trying to kill him when she stuck him with her vehicle. I don’t think she was trying to kill him, but she did hit him while driving away, and a reasonable officer could have feared for his life in the situation. This wasn’t some innocent mom, as posters are trying to portray her as. She and her wife were agitators who stalked, obstructed and then committed violence against federal agents.

+1. Also, wasn't this new video from his body cam, rather than a cell phone? So he wasn't holding the recording device in his hand.

No, it's from his cell phone, which was dropped as he went for his gun.

Or as he tried to get out of the way of the car that was heading towards him.

With her turning the steering wheel in the opposite direction? Are both of you this bad at physics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was nothing in that video that justified shooting. Nor did it appear that he feared for his life. If Ross did put this video out there, he's a moron.

Disagree. She was taunting him and aiming right at him.

Do you seriously think taunting (which by the way was coming from her partner, not her) justifies deadly use of force???

You might be a psychopath.

- prosecutor

She wasn't shot for taunting. She was shot for attempted murder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, I haven't read through all of this, but someone let me know if I'm getting the general gist right.
Deceased and her partner were intentionally blocking the road? Deceased partner was taunting the cops?

Are these premises correct?

Correct or not, 100% irrelevant to the question of whether there was a justifiable use of lethal force.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way people view this incident seems to be entirely colored by their preexisting views of ICE.

I supported ICE prior to this and I view the death as unfortunate by justified. The posters claiming we should fear ICE because of this incident are spreading misinformation. I would never be killed by ICE, because I would never attempt to interfere with their operations like this woman did.

ICE agents are law enforcement officers, not nazis or some kind of gestapo as some on this thread have called them. Every other country and party in the world enforces its immigration laws. Democrats seem to be the only party/people in the world who believe that immigration enforcement is illegitimate.

Even the mullahs in Iran are warning protesters that they will be punishable by death. So no. Ross was not justified in aiming his gun at her, never mind pulling the trigger three times and executing her.

Obviously it wasn't right and yes he should be reprimanded, but under the circumstances, the understandable panic he felt, and the split second in which he acted, it was a massive f*** up, not "murder" like the far left wants so badly to believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The video proves that the ICE agent was struck by the victim’s vehicle. IMO, his actions were lawful. The disrespect the wife showed the agents and the victim’s refusal to follow orders may have led him to believe that the victim was trying to kill him when she stuck him with her vehicle. I don’t think she was trying to kill him, but she did hit him while driving away, and a reasonable officer could have feared for his life in the situation. This wasn’t some innocent mom, as posters are trying to portray her as. She and her wife were agitators who stalked, obstructed and then committed violence against federal agents.

That’s what I saw too.

+1 agree

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the new video shows that the wife was trying to push all his buttons. She pissed him off enough that he reacted by shooting the victim. I see ZERO evidence that his life was in danger nor evidence that she was "weaponizing her vehicle", in fact it is now clearer that she was leaving the scene.

Just because the wife was mouthing off was NOT a reason to use deadly force.

It isn’t a justification but it shows how stupid and unhinged the people trying to obstruct ICE are.

I don’t think the shooting was justified, but WTF were they trying to accomplish exactly?

Who goes out and tries to antagonize and pick a fight with law enforcement trying to do their job? If I don’t like speeding enforcement should I follow state troopers around screaming at them, holding a cell phone in their face, and blowing whistles next to them all day?

The officers are doing what they are told. They can’t just decide not to do their job because you disagree with it. Of course they should try to stay cool… but they are also human and if you put them under enough pressure long someone will lose their cool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The way people view this incident seems to be entirely colored by their preexisting views of ICE.

I supported ICE prior to this and I view the death as unfortunate by justified. The posters claiming we should fear ICE because of this incident are spreading misinformation. I would never be killed by ICE, because I would never attempt to interfere with their operations like this woman did.

ICE agents are law enforcement officers, not nazis or some kind of gestapo as some on this thread have called them. Every other country and party in the world enforces its immigration laws. Democrats seem to be the only party/people in the world who believe that immigration enforcement is illegitimate.

That's a really strange and disingenuous take. She was spinning the steering wheel to the right to pull away as an masked agent was trying to rip open her door. You have zero idea how you'd react in that moment. And aside, there was nothing in that video that justified her murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The video proves that the ICE agent was struck by the victim’s vehicle. IMO, his actions were lawful. The disrespect the wife showed the agents and the victim’s refusal to follow orders may have led him to believe that the victim was trying to kill him when she stuck him with her vehicle. I don’t think she was trying to kill him, but she did hit him while driving away, and a reasonable officer could have feared for his life in the situation. This wasn’t some innocent mom, as posters are trying to portray her as. She and her wife were agitators who stalked, obstructed and then committed violence against federal agents.

+1. Also, wasn't this new video from his body cam, rather than a cell phone? So he wasn't holding the recording device in his hand.

No, it's from his cell phone, which was dropped as he went for his gun.

Or as he tried to get out of the way of the car that was heading towards him.

With her turning the steering wheel in the opposite direction? Are both of you this bad at physics?[/quote]

In that split second when the cop saw the car heading towards him, was he really supposed to realize that she was turning the wheel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was nothing in that video that justified shooting. Nor did it appear that he feared for his life. If Ross did put this video out there, he's a moron.

Disagree. She was taunting him and aiming right at him.

Do you seriously think taunting (which by the way was coming from her partner, not her) justifies deadly use of force???

You might be a psychopath.

- prosecutor

She wasn't shot for taunting. She was shot for attempted murder

I think that you’ve accidentally nailed it.

She was murdered because she hurt the feelings of a man child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, I haven't read through all of this, but someone let me know if I'm getting the general gist right.
Deceased and her partner were intentionally blocking the road? Deceased partner was taunting the cops?

Are these premises correct?

It appears from multiple sources, Good belonged to a group called “ICE Watch.”

One of ICE Watch’s main activities appears to be to alert each other whenever ICE moves on public roads, and then try to block ICE, using their private vehicles.[/quote]


Lovely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was nothing in that video that justified shooting. Nor did it appear that he feared for his life. If Ross did put this video out there, he's a moron.

Disagree. She was taunting him and aiming right at him.

Do you seriously think taunting (which by the way was coming from her partner, not her) justifies deadly use of force???

You might be a psychopath.

- prosecutor

She wasn't shot for taunting. She was shot for attempted murder

She was shot because the police officer who was in a panic (justifiably so), made a mistake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way people view this incident seems to be entirely colored by their preexisting views of ICE.

I supported ICE prior to this and I view the death as unfortunate by justified. The posters claiming we should fear ICE because of this incident are spreading misinformation. I would never be killed by ICE, because I would never attempt to interfere with their operations like this woman did.

ICE agents are law enforcement officers, not nazis or some kind of gestapo as some on this thread have called them. Every other country and party in the world enforces its immigration laws. Democrats seem to be the only party/people in the world who believe that immigration enforcement is illegitimate.

Even the mullahs in Iran are warning protesters that they will be punishable by death. So no. Ross was not justified in aiming his gun at her, never mind pulling the trigger three times and executing her.

Obviously it wasn't right and yes he should be reprimanded, but under the circumstances, the understandable panic he felt, and the split second in which he acted, it was a massive f*** up, not "murder" like the far left wants so badly to believe.

What panic? Haven't you ever stepped out of the way of a car in the parking lot? He showed no signs of panic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The video proves that the ICE agent was struck by the victim’s vehicle. IMO, his actions were lawful. The disrespect the wife showed the agents and the victim’s refusal to follow orders may have led him to believe that the victim was trying to kill him when she stuck him with her vehicle. I don’t think she was trying to kill him, but she did hit him while driving away, and a reasonable officer could have feared for his life in the situation. This wasn’t some innocent mom, as posters are trying to portray her as. She and her wife were agitators who stalked, obstructed and then committed violence against federal agents.

That’s what I saw too.

+1 agree

Nope, he pushed his cellphone holding hand toward the vehicle while firing. Never lost his footing, didn't let go of the cellphone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, I haven't read through all of this, but someone let me know if I'm getting the general gist right.
Deceased and her partner were intentionally blocking the road? Deceased partner was taunting the cops?

Are these premises correct?

Yes - correct.

+1

[Anonymous]

If it is that cut and dried that Ross was justified in using legal force, he had a genuine and reasonable fear for his life or the lives of others, then you should have no problem with a trial. If it is that clear, then a judge can direct the verdict or a jury of his peers, fellow citizens of his neighborhood, will quickly find him not guilty and this will be put permanently to bed without further speculation.

What say you MAGA? Are you that confident that he was justified in using lethal force?