UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:Ben Shapiro trying and failing to put a lid on this resentment.

Shapiro and his toadies at Daily Wire mocked and celebrated Israel blowing up pagers thus murdering untold innocent victims.

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Anonymous wrote:Bill Barr is right on this: These are suit wearing gangsters. Parasites who make far more money and are responsible for more deaths than all the famous mob bosses combined.

Is that the metric we should should use for "legal" assassinations?

The CEOs of RJ Reynolds, Coors, Ford, and GM had better go into hiding.

They’re not saying that anybody should legally assassinate anybody else.

What they’re saying is we care about this guy’s death as much as we would any gangster who was shot down in the middle of the street?.

I don’t wish him to be dead, but I don’t really care. You play with a loaded gun you get shot. Don’t come crying to me.

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Anonymous wrote:They are making crazy profits. How about just a reasonable profit?

is that how America works though? in any sector or industry?
if so, please name which one.

Also please define a reasonable profit? How much money should one be able to make? I’m
Guessing there are people in this country who think you are grossly overpaid for whatever you do OP. I’m sure you have much more than any one person truly “needs”. It’s easy to say “a billion is too much” but very hard to say what the lower limit should be.

I think after salaries and overhead are paid, there should be no profit in healthcare.

No money set aside for research?

Research money is fine. That's an expense. Do you understand the definition of profit?

What crock of b.s. Most research is done at publicly funded R1 colleges, not parasitic health insurers.

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Anonymous wrote:Bill Barr is right on this: These are suit wearing gangsters. Parasites who make far more money and are responsible for more deaths than all the famous mob bosses combined.

Is that the metric we should should use for "legal" assassinations?

The CEOs of RJ Reynolds, Coors, Ford, and GM had better go into hiding.

They’re not saying that anybody should legally assassinate anybody else.

What they’re saying is we care about this guy’s death as much as we would any gangster who was shot down in the middle of the street?.

I don’t wish him to be dead, but I don’t really care. You play with a loaded gun you get shot. Don’t come crying to me.

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Anonymous wrote:They are making crazy profits. How about just a reasonable profit?

is that how America works though? in any sector or industry?
if so, please name which one.

Also please define a reasonable profit? How much money should one be able to make? I’m
Guessing there are people in this country who think you are grossly overpaid for whatever you do OP. I’m sure you have much more than any one person truly “needs”. It’s easy to say “a billion is too much” but very hard to say what the lower limit should be.

I think after salaries and overhead are paid, there should be no profit in healthcare.

so all healthcare is non-profit? assume this applies to doc and hospital systems?

In my Utopia, yes. Everyone is paid a very healthy salary commiserate with their training and experience. Money is set aside for research, and maintenance on buildings and equipment, etc. But any money leftover is not used to pad corporate pockets. Any monies left beyond that mean that premiums were too high and should be lowered accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Ben Shapiro trying and failing to put a lid on this resentment.

Shapiro and his toadies at Daily Wire mocked and celebrated Israel blowing up pagers thus murdering untold innocent victims.

Hezbollah is a designated terrorist organization; only actual members of Hezbollah owner the few thousand pagers.

Terrorists hate the antithesis of “innocent victims”.

Before you say it: terrorists are every man’s terrorists.

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Anonymous wrote:What does the Monopoly money mean?

It’s a term used when somebody has so much money that it’s meaningless at some point.

I’ll say something like oh so Joe bought his seventh house and third yachthe’s just playing with Monopoly money at this point.

Thanks. Now I get it.

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Anonymous wrote:They are making crazy profits. How about just a reasonable profit?

is that how America works though? in any sector or industry?
if so, please name which one.

Also please define a reasonable profit? How much money should one be able to make? I’m
Guessing there are people in this country who think you are grossly overpaid for whatever you do OP. I’m sure you have much more than any one person truly “needs”. It’s easy to say “a billion is too much” but very hard to say what the lower limit should be.

I think after salaries and overhead are paid, there should be no profit in healthcare.

so all healthcare is non-profit? assume this applies to doc and hospital systems?

In my Utopia, yes. Everyone is paid a very healthy salary commiserate with their training and experience. Money is set aside for research, and maintenance on buildings and equipment, etc. But any money leftover is not used to pad corporate pockets. Any monies left beyond that mean that premiums were too high and should be lowered accordingly.

You realize insurance company profits are a tiny fraction of health care costs, right?

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I’m surprised no one thinks there’s a connection between the Monopoly money and the DOJ antitrust investigation. Too on the nose?

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Anonymous wrote:They are making crazy profits. How about just a reasonable profit?

is that how America works though? in any sector or industry?
if so, please name which one.

Also please define a reasonable profit? How much money should one be able to make? I’m
Guessing there are people in this country who think you are grossly overpaid for whatever you do OP. I’m sure you have much more than any one person truly “needs”. It’s easy to say “a billion is too much” but very hard to say what the lower limit should be.

I think after salaries and overhead are paid, there should be no profit in healthcare.

so all healthcare is non-profit? assume this applies to doc and hospital systems?

In my Utopia, yes. Everyone is paid a very healthy salary commiserate with their training and experience. Money is set aside for research, and maintenance on buildings and equipment, etc. But any money leftover is not used to pad corporate pockets. Any monies left beyond that mean that premiums were too high and should be lowered accordingly.

You realize insurance company profits are a tiny fraction of health care costs, right?

DP, but OMG what a way to miss the point - the insurers set the costs!

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Anonymous wrote:They are making crazy profits. How about just a reasonable profit?

is that how America works though? in any sector or industry?
if so, please name which one.

Also please define a reasonable profit? How much money should one be able to make? I’m
Guessing there are people in this country who think you are grossly overpaid for whatever you do OP. I’m sure you have much more than any one person truly “needs”. It’s easy to say “a billion is too much” but very hard to say what the lower limit should be.

I think after salaries and overhead are paid, there should be no profit in healthcare.

so all healthcare is non-profit? assume this applies to doc and hospital systems?

In my Utopia, yes. Everyone is paid a very healthy salary commiserate with their training and experience. Money is set aside for research, and maintenance on buildings and equipment, etc. But any money leftover is not used to pad corporate pockets. Any monies left beyond that mean that premiums were too high and should be lowered accordingly.

You realize insurance company profits are a tiny fraction of health care costs, right?

DP, but OMG what a way to miss the point - the insurers set the costs!

Go on. Are you saying they're paying too much or not enough?

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Anonymous wrote:Ben Shapiro trying and failing to put a lid on this resentment.

Shapiro and his toadies at Daily Wire mocked and celebrated Israel blowing up pagers thus murdering untold innocent victims.

Actually they know pretty exactly how many non-targets died. It’s not “untold.” Jesus, the ridiculous drama is so stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:They are making crazy profits. How about just a reasonable profit?

is that how America works though? in any sector or industry?
if so, please name which one.

Also please define a reasonable profit? How much money should one be able to make? I’m
Guessing there are people in this country who think you are grossly overpaid for whatever you do OP. I’m sure you have much more than any one person truly “needs”. It’s easy to say “a billion is too much” but very hard to say what the lower limit should be.

I think after salaries and overhead are paid, there should be no profit in healthcare.

so all healthcare is non-profit? assume this applies to doc and hospital systems?

In my Utopia, yes. Everyone is paid a very healthy salary commiserate with their training and experience. Money is set aside for research, and maintenance on buildings and equipment, etc. But any money leftover is not used to pad corporate pockets. Any monies left beyond that mean that premiums were too high and should be lowered accordingly.

You realize insurance company profits are a tiny fraction of health care costs, right?

So what are the major costs? Why do other countries spend less on healthcare but have better outcomes?

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Anonymous wrote:Bill Barr is right on this: These are suit wearing gangsters. Parasites who make far more money and are responsible for more deaths than all the famous mob bosses combined.

Is that the metric we should should use for "legal" assassinations?

The CEOs of RJ Reynolds, Coors, Ford, and GM had better go into hiding.

Those companies do not affect lives like healthcare. Healthcare is deeply personal, unlike cars, cigarettes, or beer. Those CEOs are fine. CEO who profit off withholding coverage for treatment are broken people. I couldn’t do it. How anyone employed by a health insurance company can sleep at night or aren’t completely filled with self-hatred for what they do are completely dead inside.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who think health insurance is the main problem, as if the hospitals just honest businessmen submitting bills for their services and the docs as well. The whole system is a sh&t show. Cardiologist in the US make like a half a million, in the Uk it’s like £150K.

People should be mad at their legislators for allowing it to get this way. This is not to say that insurers don’t have their problems but they are but one cog in the wheel of grift and dysfunction.

Cardiologists actually provide an extremely valuable service. Insurance companies suck money out of the system. Do you really not see the difference?

In many cases they keep the system from ripping people off and in many cases make sure that people don’t get the wrong med or unnecessary procedures. I know you think your doctor is the bees knees and would never do anything unethical or wrong but you would be wrong. Consider the fact that so many physician groups have sold out to PE who are managing care by the way in which they manage the practice. The docs didn’t sell because they are concerned about the good of the patients - they wanted a paycheck. There are no innocents in this game.

Yep. Private equity is all over specialized surgical and medical groups …. these doctors are money machines. Cha Ching! $$ Smart doctors know how to game the system. Spend 15 minutes with a patient, quick exam, order scans. Done. Next!

Even large hospital groups order needless scans, ultrasounds, blood work, procedures, unnecessary surgeries…it’s insane.

Yes—I’m generally pro doctor but anyone who thinks that doctors don’t need checks on spending is naive. The nursing homes are notorious for ordering useless tests and therapies to pad their profits. And lots of doctors will just write whatever test or script their patient wants because it’s easier than arguing or because they are making a profit (remember the opioid epidemic?). Everyone would like to have great doctors who only prescribe medically necessary stuff and only do so in their best interest, and have affordable health care that covers all medically necessary treatments, even if those treatments cost millions of dollars a year for a single condition. But it’s not reality. Yes, let’s crack down on the bad actors, but this generalized hate for health insurance providers is just so naive and dangerous. Does anyone remember the world before health insurance? Working class people just died if they got anything that needed more than a doctors visit. Pooling of risk is a good thing—that’s what insurance is. But insurance companies have to follow their written policies.

There are monsters at every level of the system. This hospital allowed this doctor to misdiagnose and kill patients because he made money for them.

The opioid epidemic is due in part to physicians being courted by pharma sales people and the fact that no one was watching what was going on so the pill mills were allowed to dispense like crazy and Medicaid just paid. I’m not saying health insurance companies are angels by any means but there are plenty of bad actors out there.


https://www.propublica.org/article/thomas-weiner-montana-st-peters-hospital-oncology

Also look at the stories about patients being kept in psych wards so that the monstrous doctors could keep billing insurance. It's sickening. The whole system from insurance to hospital to medical staff, is corrupt.

And Americans need to stop thinking this country has the most envied medical system in the world, because anyone who has actually traveled and needed medical care in other countries, knows it's BS. I have friends currently traveling to a couple of other countries for advanced medical treatments that the US doesn't offer.

You are delusional. I am a doctor we are being forced by insurance companies to release patients before they are ready and /or before we think they are stabilized enough to stay out of the hospital. Sure- there may be some exceptions, but trust me, docs get no pay outs from this. Our reimbursements and pay are declining, but we keep working. We see NPs and PAs constantly ordering unnecessary tests and prescribing controlled stimulants because that’s what patients want and they don’t have the background and education to know better , and we’re constantly having to fix it. You all know nothing about health care and it’s so evident. These for profit entities are killing us and you. And you just take it and try to lay blame on the very people (and the only people) working to keep you alive.

Agree. Except for the doctors that are either self employed internists overseeing a nursing home or part owner in some cases. Those are some major schemers

The doctor at assisted living sees patients once a month. Charges $300 for a short visit of maybe 15-20 min.

In some cases, the visit is a just PA stopping by the apartment, asking if all is okay, and then leaving.

$300 for that. They call it a doctor appt even when it’s just a PA walking in and out of the apartment.

Yet they think patients are the one fleecing them.

Doc here- and I agree! It sounds outlandish- and the NPs the PAs don’t even lay a hand on the patient. BUT- the doc doesn’t actually get reimbursed $300, probably closer to $150- because of insurance. And you may think that insurance is helping in this case, but it’s not- prices have to be set higher bc otherwise we don’t get paid when insurance refuses to pay for ridiculous reasons, we have to cover our costs some how, or we can’t keep operating. We can’t make home visits, go to ALFs, I can’t do our free clinic, and I can’t do rural areas bc quite frankly the time and driving issues are cost prohibitive.